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[Angthoron]

lol@paying for abandonware

Technically it isn't abandonware any more if they start selling it again. But I still think it is stupid since you're basically just giving dosh to poles who installs dosbox for you and the current rights holder. I don't buy older games when the devs aren't in business any more out of principle. When you pay for a product most if not all of the money should go to the workers who made it. :communist:

GOG is probably the Polish Government countermeasure to the financial crisis. With potato and old games, Poland strong!

 

[J_C]

lol @ paying for abandonware

Please show me where those games are officially listed as abandonware. Do you even know what abandonware mean? If the games are sold again, they stop being abandonware.

 

[DalekFlay]

Quick someone make a Shadow Warrior source port.

Thanks!

 

[Sceptic]

Duke Nukem 3D looks like the only interstesting Duke Nukem game. The rest are platform games, a genre that didn't even interest me when I was a little snotling.

I used to be like you, and then I played DN1. And then DN2. And finished both.

I'd quite easily rank them as among the best platformers out there. There was always something special about Apogee platformers (Hocus Pocus, Keen, Duke Nukem) that made them stand out well above anything else anyone else made.

Blake Stone uses the Wolfenstein engine, which is just too primitive even for a relic like me.

Bah, we exposed you a long time ago, you're just posing as a relic

TBH they're not that great. Level design is a little uninspired, and BS1 is way too easy. BS2 ramps up the difficulty quite a bit, which is fun, but it's just an ok shooter. Quite impressive considering the series was all done by 2 people, and that it added quite a lot to the Wolf3D formula, but that's about it.

Rise of the Tirad and Shadow Warrior look like they may be worth the 3 bucks.

ROTT is great fun, though much more so in multiplayer. Your inner graphic whore could grab the high res port if you want. Funny, ROTT also uses the Wolf3D engine, though pushed to its limit and they do some fantastic stuff with it that even Doom engine was incapable of.

 

[Gragt]

ROTT is an old favourite. It has that completely silly and over-the-top action where bumpers send you in the air, traps get sprung everywhere, even by enemies, and you get various weapons of mass destruction. It's all nonsensical and it's something that is missing these days. Also it features some awesome music.

 

[TripJack]

You guys liked ROTT over Shadow Warrior? That's crazy talk.

Lo Wang 4 life

 

[Kirtai]

ROTT had Dog mode which was always fun.

 

[Gragt]

I haven't played SW yet.

 

[catfood]

http://af.gog.com/gamecard/the_incredible_machine_mega_pack?as=1649904300 on sale today. It's awesome. One of my favourite games as a kid.

 

[Sceptic]

Unfortunately it's missing Sid & Al's, which is by far the best.

Otherwise it has everything else. Even More includes all the original TIM levels, and TIM3 includes all the TIM2 ones. Definitely worth it for the price, but it's a shame GOG never got S&A.

 

[J_C]

http://af.gog.com/gamecard/the_incredible_machine_mega_pack?as=1649904300 on sale today. It's awesome. One of my favourite games as a kid.

Thanks for the heads up. Bought it.

 

[Multi-headed Cow]

Unfortunately it's missing Sid & Al's, which is by far the best.

Yeah, was thinking the same thing. Incredible Toon Machine was great.

 

[sser]

I still have the Shadow Warrior shareware disc. It was blasted as racist dogshit when it came out, but GOG reviewers seem quite warm to it.

 

[Deuce Traveler]

I just tried Shadow Warrior and I liked the gameplay. It's much smoother than Rise of the Triad, in my opinion, and a bit harder, which is also a plus. I died a few times at the start until I figured out the layout of the first level and how the weapons work. I really like how enemies fall into pieces after you slice them and the blood on your hands after engaging in melee. Cool game.

Oh, and for all of you who purchased the game off of GOG, I just wanted you to know most of those Apogee games were freeware. You just paid for the compatibility, which could be done in Windows 7 and DOSBox with a half hour of your own time. Check the official 3D Realms website for free versions of ROTT, Shadow Warrior, Duke Nukems, and more:

Get the shareware versions here:

http://www.3drealms.com/downloads.html

And their disclaimer:

"Selected games from our past have been released into freeware, which means that you are free to download the full, registered versions of them. We do however, retain copyright on them, so you are not "free to do what you want" with them. Please be aware also, that these freeware releases are provided "as is". We offer no support on them of any kind. You're on your own in trying to get them to run, but this is usually helpful.

The freeware titles released to date are: Adventure Fun Pack, Alien Carnage/Halloween Harry, Arctic Adventure, Beyond the Titanic, Bio Menace, Caves of Thor, Dark Ages, Kroz, Major Stryker, Monuments of Mars, Pharaoh's Tomb, Puzzle Fun Pack, Stargunner, Supernova, Wolfenstein 3D Super Upgrade Pack, Word Whiz, Trivia Whiz, & Xenophage.

These downloads can all be obtained from their respective areas in our downloads page.
SOURCE CODE
Selected games have had their source code released by us. These games are: Duke Nukem 3D, Shadow Warrior, Rise of the Triad, Word Whiz, Beyond the Titanic, Supernova, & Kroz. You can obtain these from our downloads page."

Edit: Disregard my previous statement about freeware.

 

[Sceptic]

Oh, and for all of you who purchased the game off of GOG, I just wanted you to know most of those Apogee games were freeware. You just paid for the compatibility, which could be done in Windows 7 and DOSBox with a half hour of your own time. Check the official 3D Realms website for free versions of ROTT, Shadow Warrior, Duke Nukems, and more:

Why do you lie? None of the games you listed were ever released as freeware by Apogee. They have their source code released... without any of the content, which makes it completely useless unless you're writing a port. Hell you even quoted exactly which games ARE freeware and ROTT, SW and DN are not on that list.

 

[J_C]

I just tried Shadow Warrior and I liked the gameplay. It's much smoother than Rise of the Triad, in my opinion, and a bit harder, which is also a plus. I died a few times at the start until I figured out the layout of the first level and how the weapons work. I really like how enemies fall into pieces after you slice them and the blood on your hands after engaging in melee. Cool game.

Oh, and for all of you who purchased the game off of GOG, I just wanted you to know most of those Apogee games were freeware. You just paid for the compatibility, which could be done in Windows 7 and DOSBox with a half hour of your own time. Check the official 3D Realms website for free versions of ROTT, Shadow Warrior, Duke Nukems, and more:

http://www.3drealms.com/downloads.html

And their disclaimer:

"Selected games from our past have been released into freeware, which means that you are free to download the full, registered versions of them. We do however, retain copyright on them, so you are not "free to do what you want" with them. Please be aware also, that these freeware releases are provided "as is". We offer no support on them of any kind. You're on your own in trying to get them to run, but this is usually helpful.

The freeware titles released to date are: Adventure Fun Pack, Alien Carnage/Halloween Harry, Arctic Adventure, Beyond the Titanic, Bio Menace, Caves of Thor, Dark Ages, Kroz, Major Stryker, Monuments of Mars, Pharaoh's Tomb, Puzzle Fun Pack, Stargunner, Supernova, Wolfenstein 3D Super Upgrade Pack, Word Whiz, Trivia Whiz, & Xenophage.

These downloads can all be obtained from their respective areas in our downloads page.
SOURCE CODE
Selected games have had their source code released by us. These games are: Duke Nukem 3D, Shadow Warrior, Rise of the Triad, Word Whiz, Beyond the Titanic, Supernova, & Kroz. You can obtain these from our downloads page."

Ummm, the games on GoG are not listed on the link you posted as freeware. Just saying.

As Sceptic said releasing source code =/= freeware. Every game has a note under their downloads which says if it is freeware or not. The games on GOG are not freeware.

 

[Deuce Traveler]

Ok, I'm sorry if I don't understand the difference between being freeware and having their source code released. The site goes to lengths to explain what programs to use to compile the source code and to my limited understanding at the time, make the code playable. I didn't know the source code was near useless. I did get the shareware versions working and assumed the source code versions were to be used to compile a full version of the game.

My apologies. Sceptic explained it pretty well. Sorry for my ignorance on the matter.

 

[Kirtai]

Todays releases are Driftmoon (adventure) and 99 Levels to Hell (roguelike platformer). Both for 20% off.

 

[A user named cat]

There's no apologizing on the Codex. Tell him he's an asshole for correcting you then send him threats over private messages.

 

[J_C]

There's no apologizing on the Codex. Tell him he's an asshole for correcting you then send him threats over private messages openly in this thread.

 

[evdk]

There's no apologizing on the Codex. Tell him he's an asshole for correcting you then send him threats over private messages openly in this thread.

Wrong approach. When you send him threats over PMs you can then pretend everything is OK in the open and when he inevitably posts the PMs as a proof that you are an unstable psycho call him a cunt for going out with a private matter. Duh.

 

[J_C]

There's no apologizing on the Codex. Tell him he's an asshole for correcting you then send him threats over private messages openly in this thread.

Wrong approach. When you send him threats over PMs you can then pretend everything is OK in the open and when he inevitably posts the PMs as a proof that you are an unstable psycho call him a cunt for going out with a private matter. Duh.

Hm, you are right. Teach me the ways of the Codex master!

 

[Sceptic]

I didn't know the source code was near useless.

It's not, not really. You CAN reconstruct the engine with it. You just won't have any of the graphics, levels, sounds, etc, in other words none of the content. That's why just about all engine ports still require the original game files, and why nobody bothers to shut them down; ZDoom is great, but yout still need to get the main WAD from somewhere, otherwise there's no game there. WHERE you get it is of course another matter, but then the port maker can just shrug it off and say "not my problem." Same reasom the MT-32 emulators are still around (and in DOSBox and SCUMMVM). The ROMs themselves are Roland's property, and Munt does NOT ship the ROMs, but where you get the ROMs is also not their problem. In fact Roland tried to block Munt at one point (because, let's face it, if you're getting it, you do not have a real MT-32 and there's no way you legally own the ROMs) but then eventually gave up.

My apologies. Sceptic explained it pretty well. Sorry for my ignorance on the matter.

My previous post was little more asshole-y (read: typically codexian) until I toned it down a bit. Good thing too since you've been a gentleman about it.

In before Codex is turning into carebears.

 

[Kirtai]

Yeah, the source code is actually really valuable since it means that people can update the engine or port it to different systems without having to reverse engineer everything. Source ports happen much faster than reverse engineering and is more accurate.

 

[DalekFlay]

Ok, I'm sorry if I don't understand the difference between being freeware and having their source code released.

You're the reason lawyers tell publishers not to release source code.