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Lacrymas

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Pathfinder: Wrath
Ashes of Malmouth's content isn't the best in general imo. Getting to Malmouth is a bit of a slog because you are going through 3 forests/swamps after going through a bunch of forests and swamps in the base game. Malmouth itself is samey as well, all the districts you visit are essentially the same urban destruction (Port Valbury is extremely similar to that too). I've completed Ashes of Malmouth only twice on two different characters and I'm not in a rush to go back. I like Forgotten Gods' content more. I'm worried Fangs of Asterkarn is going to feature even more outdoorsy areas, most likely snowy mountains and forests, as if we don't have enough of those and Act 4 isn't literally that. I'd like to see more story and plot as well because even as a veteran of this game who has read every single piece of in-game lore that has dropped I still don't know where the story is going or whether what we are doing is having an effect at all.
 

udm

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Make the Codex Great Again!
Yeah IMO the best parts were the dark shadowy levels like mines and dungeons or the ones where the environments just looked like they were ripped from the fabric of reality like Edge of Reality. Act 2 had some really nice outdoor areas though, but again, it was helped by some maze-like layouts.
 

Cyberarmy

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whole place has only 1 shade of green and brown.
I think this coupled with uninteresting enemies makes that place really boring.

Reminds me of Titan Quests Asian parts with cavemen...

This is a problem in Path of Exile too

An ugly game with no style, where you fight statues and curtains (?) until you become mentally ill

Did that for a couple of years, no thanks

Actually PoE upped its game really well and made some real good demons and similar enemies. But most of the old stuff is still in game. Fighting again vanilla wildlife bothers me the most.


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luj1

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even as a veteran of this game who has read every single piece of in-game lore that has dropped I still don't know where the story is going

Yes this bothered me too. Numerous, unconnected pieces of lore = fragmented story where no one knows what's going on. Path of Exile is similar.
 

luj1

You're all shills
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whole place has only 1 shade of green and brown.
I think this coupled with uninteresting enemies makes that place really boring.

Reminds me of Titan Quests Asian parts with cavemen...

This is a problem in Path of Exile too

An ugly game with no style, where you fight statues and curtains (?) until you become mentally ill

Did that for a couple of years, no thanks

Actually PoE upped its game really well and made some real good demons and similar enemies. But most of the old stuff is still in game. Fighting again vanilla wildlife bothers me the most.


vq040kdljix71.png


FDx3sOdVIAIomhd.jpg

I am hoping PoE 2 will improve on most of these things
 

ferratilis

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They unveiled the new mastery: Berserker

https://forums.crateentertainment.com/t/grim-misadventure-185-howl-do-you-do/138856

Grim Misadventure #185 - Howl Do You Do



ZantaiCrate Employee - Designer
6h

Did you know that 100% of Grim Misadventures happen on a Monday? Food for thought. Last time 58, we had our latest batch of pointy and deadly itemage coming in Fangs of Asterkarn. Today, we are going to embrace our wild side. We might have been giving some hints…
Note: as always, everything you are seeing today is in active development and subject to change. Nothing is set in stone until it is!
It is no secret that the 10th mastery coming to Grim Dawn is the transformative Berserker. Berserkers are the brutal unflinching defenders of Asterkarn that have embraced the beast god Mogdrogen’s gifts to shapeshift into ferocious beastlike forms. They harness the bitter unforgiving winds of Asterkarn to infuse their weapons and shatter their foes. When they are not assuming their wereforms, Berserkers bring down their prey in savage dual weapon combat, but any weapon can prove deadly in their capable hands, or talons.
Available for download in the Media Section 95.
To the Kurn, berserkers are valiant warriors who sacrificed a portion of their humanity to become steadfast protectors of their people. To outsiders, they are savages, little more than the beasts they embody. The Kurn’s long and bloody history lends credence to both arguments. This duality was never more apparent than during the calamitous events of the war between Erulan and the Kurn that culminated in the summoning of the Loghorrean and the devastation of the surrounding lands. The vast Necropolis is a testament to the lives lost and the sacrifices made. With the Erulan empire ultimately the victor, the Kurn were forced to retreat deeper into their homeland of Asterkarn, but the sins of that war haunt them to this day.
The whispers of Ch’thon had long captured the ears of a select few Kurn tribes, but their allure has never been stronger, with some Kurn devoting themselves fully to the void. These Bloodbound now work to spread the corruption that festers within Asterkarn, leaving the wildlife and people with fewer and fewer safe havens to call home. Berserkers that have embraced the gifts of Ch’thon can likewise taint their weapons, and claws, with the vile powers of the void. Whether this is just a means to an end, or a soul lost to darkness, is up to you.
The Berserker mastery prominently features two shapeshift abilities: the Werewolf and Wereraven. Each of these forms embody a unique playstyle by automatically granting you 2 active abilities when you transform. With the werewolf, you will be a savage frontline fighter that rips through your enemies and tears them apart with double claw attacks.
Meanwhile, the wereraven unleashes cascades of jagged ice from a safe distance. These forms are temporary by default, allowing you to enter the transformations for a limited time before going on cooldown, but there are ways to extend their duration and even make them permanent with modifiers.
In line with Grim Dawn tradition, you can effectively combine the Berserker’s transformations and mix them with all the other masteries in the game to create your own unique playstyle. With a few exceptions, such as wereforms not using basic weapon attacks or weapon pool skills, you can create your own wild combinations (who does not want to see a Werewolf smashing their foes with lightning claws unleashing Primal Strikes?)
While shapeshifting plays a major role in a Berserker’s arsenal, there are many other ways you will be able to engage with the mastery. Berserkers are experts in dual wield combat and thrive in the thick of battle, where their critical strikes and natural tenacity keep the momentum in their favor.
Let us investigate some of the new skills and mechanics coming with the Berserker mastery:
Onslaught
“Kurn berserkers would lull their enemies into a false sense of confidence by engaging in a series of feints before unleashing a devastating blow.”
Onslaught is a new type of basic attack replacer (AA) that generates stacks of a new buff appropriately named Onslaught. These stacks are spent the next time you used a cooldown ability, increasing the damage of the attack substantially. This allows you to weave basic attacks and cooldown skills together effectively, like a make-your-own combo system, except you get to decide what the spender is. Onslaught stacks are only spent when casting a damaging ability, so you do not have to worry about accidentally consuming them on a buff.
By default, Onslaught deals Cold and Bleed damage, but it can be converted to Chaos with a transmuter.
Winds of Asterkarn
“The chill in the Asterkarn peaks is legendary. Some have come to call the wind the reaper’s caress, but to the Kurn it is Amatok’s Breath. Their mystics have learned to channel its fury. For as long as the spell is maintained, the bitter winds of Asterkarn will assail your foes and tear flesh from bone.”
Winds of Asterkarn is a new channeled ability that pulsates damage in a radius around you. Unlike the Oathkeeper’s Eye of Reckoning, you must remain stationary while casting Winds of Asterkarn, but the radius rapidly increases the longer you channel it, eventually becoming a massive deadly tempest.
For its modifier, Hailstorm, Winds of Asterkarn will also cause ice shards to rain from the sky within its area. If you were looking for a caster archetype in the Berserker, this will be for you. And you can of course combine it with the Wereraven form for even more icy carnage!
Rallying Cry
“Your battle cry reinvigorates you and your allies and rallies them back into the fray.”
The Berserker can inspire their allies in combat with a hearty battle cry. Rallying Cry will be one of the few rare sources of +% Max Movement Speed in the game.
And more…
Leap into the fray with earthshattering force. Invoke the spirit of Amatok to send an avalanche of ice with your attacks. Unleash a bone chilling battle cry that leaves your enemies exposed. Become an unshakeable, unstoppable machine of destruction in battle as a Berserker!
Class combination names you can look forward to: Dreadnaught, Evoker, Mystic, Primalist, Reaver, Runekeeper, Thane, Veilwalker, and Zealot.
We went all out to make the new Berserker mastery unlike anything you have played before in Grim Dawn. With a staggering 45 mastery combinations in the game, we think everyone will find something that appeals to them!
Like knowing what is coming up next for Grim Dawn? Check back on 10/28/2024 for the next Grim Misadventure!
 

Saduj

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I will find a way to incorporate this new mastery into a ranged build, preferably dual pistol, that can be played with a two button mouse because that is how all my Grim Dawn characters end up.
 
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So they buffed pets apparently in the most recent big patch, loaded in with my level 85 Hardcore Cabalist and boy it sure seems easy now. Granted this is with a character that already finished ultimate Forgotten Gods (after doing the main game and malmouth on Elite), so it was already capable of doing everything, but this time I barely saw my pets health bars budge, enemies went down really quick, and I needed to do next to none of the running around in circles thing waiting for pet timers to resummon because I didn't need to resummon much at all.

Think they overdid themselves a bit on these buffs. I have nothing against making twinking less important but ultimate should always feel threatening
 

Damned Registrations

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Haven't gotten anywhere near the endgame, but pets (especially skeletons) always seemed really OP to me in GD due to the way the attack procing system works. You can basically proc your flaming god dongs or whatever 6 times as often.
 
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There's a recharge time to most of those skills so it isn't quite so OP. Skeletons felt kinda weak before (too frail), maybe with the patch buffs they will be OP.
 

Lacrymas

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I've never liked pet builds in hack and slashers, they are too passive for me. I like the idea, just not the execution. You just stand there watching your pets have fun. No, thanks. If I were to design a pet class for a hack and slasher, I'd make it a single pet that has a skill tree of its own and you have to actively control its abilities. Maybe have an endgame item or even a set that enables you to control two different pets at the same time.
 

Damned Registrations

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I've never liked pet builds in hack and slashers, they are too passive for me. I like the idea, just not the execution. You just stand there watching your pets have fun. No, thanks. If I were to design a pet class for a hack and slasher, I'd make it a single pet that has a skill tree of its own and you have to actively control its abilities. Maybe have an endgame item or even a set that enables you to control two different pets at the same time.
Generally agree. Best pet classes I've seen in games either strongly de-emphasize the pet so it's basically just a meat shield (which isn't really a pet class, but that's often how it was done back in the day for engine limitation reasons) or focus on giving you lots of ways to control your pet- teleporting them around, activating special attacks from them, detonating or eating them, transforming them, etc. Short duration pets are cool too, like summoning a powerful demon for a short time with a long cooldown or great cost, or the little flaming skulls in PoE.

Having a big horde of weak shits to zerg rush stuff that never dies or can be replaced faster than it dies looks cool as has a great theme, but it's shit gameplay.
 

Peachcurl

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I've never liked pet builds in hack and slashers, they are too passive for me. I like the idea, just not the execution. You just stand there watching your pets have fun. No, thanks. If I were to design a pet class for a hack and slasher, I'd make it a single pet that has a skill tree of its own and you have to actively control its abilities. Maybe have an endgame item or even a set that enables you to control two different pets at the same time.
This issue has not that much to do with the number of pets. Whether you control abilities of a group or a single pet doesn't really matter.

The main thing that works against larger groups of pets is clarity of the game screen. Non-pet classes in some hack and slashers have the same issue, due to fireworks (we all know who the worst offender is, looking at you PoE!).

Also, controlling abilities of pets is already a thing in multiple games in this genre. Plus, buffing, debuffing and healing make pet builds more active.

Either way, I think it's fine not to like pet builds. If we want _actually_ different play styles available, we'll have to deal with some styles being unappealing to some players.
 
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I've never liked pet builds in hack and slashers, they are too passive for me. I like the idea, just not the execution. You just stand there watching your pets have fun. No, thanks. If I were to design a pet class for a hack and slasher, I'd make it a single pet that has a skill tree of its own and you have to actively control its abilities. Maybe have an endgame item or even a set that enables you to control two different pets at the same time.
Guild Wars kind of had that.

For a H&S I think Diablo 2 had the best way to do it since your skeletons eventually became a bit underpowered (without massive twinking) but by then you compensated with OP curses and corpse explosion, which is a very active playstyle.
 

Hobo Elf

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I love pet builds precisely because I don't control them. If I did then it wouldn't be a pet. That said I wish there were more expressions of the archetype than the typical D2 Necro in various reskins. DAoC had the best spread for pet casters. You had Necros who were a bit like what Lacrymas described (when you summon a pet you become a ghost who acts through the pet), Cabalists who were the classical summon one powerful pet and buff them type and Bonedancers who had a single powerful skeleton commander and lots of different weaker skellies (healers or dps). There were more pet classes of course but I think those covered the different variations the best.
 

Ryzer

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I love pet builds in principle, but in practice it's boring, the player does nothing but watch his minions decimating the map without impunity.
 

Iluvcheezcake

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They unveiled the new mastery: Berserker

https://forums.crateentertainment.com/t/grim-misadventure-185-howl-do-you-do/138856

Grim Misadventure #185 - Howl Do You Do



ZantaiCrate Employee - Designer
6h

Did you know that 100% of Grim Misadventures happen on a Monday? Food for thought. Last time 58, we had our latest batch of pointy and deadly itemage coming in Fangs of Asterkarn. Today, we are going to embrace our wild side. We might have been giving some hints…
Note: as always, everything you are seeing today is in active development and subject to change. Nothing is set in stone until it is!
It is no secret that the 10th mastery coming to Grim Dawn is the transformative Berserker. Berserkers are the brutal unflinching defenders of Asterkarn that have embraced the beast god Mogdrogen’s gifts to shapeshift into ferocious beastlike forms. They harness the bitter unforgiving winds of Asterkarn to infuse their weapons and shatter their foes. When they are not assuming their wereforms, Berserkers bring down their prey in savage dual weapon combat, but any weapon can prove deadly in their capable hands, or talons.
Available for download in the Media Section 95.
To the Kurn, berserkers are valiant warriors who sacrificed a portion of their humanity to become steadfast protectors of their people. To outsiders, they are savages, little more than the beasts they embody. The Kurn’s long and bloody history lends credence to both arguments. This duality was never more apparent than during the calamitous events of the war between Erulan and the Kurn that culminated in the summoning of the Loghorrean and the devastation of the surrounding lands. The vast Necropolis is a testament to the lives lost and the sacrifices made. With the Erulan empire ultimately the victor, the Kurn were forced to retreat deeper into their homeland of Asterkarn, but the sins of that war haunt them to this day.
The whispers of Ch’thon had long captured the ears of a select few Kurn tribes, but their allure has never been stronger, with some Kurn devoting themselves fully to the void. These Bloodbound now work to spread the corruption that festers within Asterkarn, leaving the wildlife and people with fewer and fewer safe havens to call home. Berserkers that have embraced the gifts of Ch’thon can likewise taint their weapons, and claws, with the vile powers of the void. Whether this is just a means to an end, or a soul lost to darkness, is up to you.
The Berserker mastery prominently features two shapeshift abilities: the Werewolf and Wereraven. Each of these forms embody a unique playstyle by automatically granting you 2 active abilities when you transform. With the werewolf, you will be a savage frontline fighter that rips through your enemies and tears them apart with double claw attacks.
Meanwhile, the wereraven unleashes cascades of jagged ice from a safe distance. These forms are temporary by default, allowing you to enter the transformations for a limited time before going on cooldown, but there are ways to extend their duration and even make them permanent with modifiers.
In line with Grim Dawn tradition, you can effectively combine the Berserker’s transformations and mix them with all the other masteries in the game to create your own unique playstyle. With a few exceptions, such as wereforms not using basic weapon attacks or weapon pool skills, you can create your own wild combinations (who does not want to see a Werewolf smashing their foes with lightning claws unleashing Primal Strikes?)
While shapeshifting plays a major role in a Berserker’s arsenal, there are many other ways you will be able to engage with the mastery. Berserkers are experts in dual wield combat and thrive in the thick of battle, where their critical strikes and natural tenacity keep the momentum in their favor.
Let us investigate some of the new skills and mechanics coming with the Berserker mastery:
Onslaught
“Kurn berserkers would lull their enemies into a false sense of confidence by engaging in a series of feints before unleashing a devastating blow.”
Onslaught is a new type of basic attack replacer (AA) that generates stacks of a new buff appropriately named Onslaught. These stacks are spent the next time you used a cooldown ability, increasing the damage of the attack substantially. This allows you to weave basic attacks and cooldown skills together effectively, like a make-your-own combo system, except you get to decide what the spender is. Onslaught stacks are only spent when casting a damaging ability, so you do not have to worry about accidentally consuming them on a buff.
By default, Onslaught deals Cold and Bleed damage, but it can be converted to Chaos with a transmuter.
Winds of Asterkarn
“The chill in the Asterkarn peaks is legendary. Some have come to call the wind the reaper’s caress, but to the Kurn it is Amatok’s Breath. Their mystics have learned to channel its fury. For as long as the spell is maintained, the bitter winds of Asterkarn will assail your foes and tear flesh from bone.”
Winds of Asterkarn is a new channeled ability that pulsates damage in a radius around you. Unlike the Oathkeeper’s Eye of Reckoning, you must remain stationary while casting Winds of Asterkarn, but the radius rapidly increases the longer you channel it, eventually becoming a massive deadly tempest.
For its modifier, Hailstorm, Winds of Asterkarn will also cause ice shards to rain from the sky within its area. If you were looking for a caster archetype in the Berserker, this will be for you. And you can of course combine it with the Wereraven form for even more icy carnage!
Rallying Cry
“Your battle cry reinvigorates you and your allies and rallies them back into the fray.”
The Berserker can inspire their allies in combat with a hearty battle cry. Rallying Cry will be one of the few rare sources of +% Max Movement Speed in the game.
And more…
Leap into the fray with earthshattering force. Invoke the spirit of Amatok to send an avalanche of ice with your attacks. Unleash a bone chilling battle cry that leaves your enemies exposed. Become an unshakeable, unstoppable machine of destruction in battle as a Berserker!
Class combination names you can look forward to: Dreadnaught, Evoker, Mystic, Primalist, Reaver, Runekeeper, Thane, Veilwalker, and Zealot.
We went all out to make the new Berserker mastery unlike anything you have played before in Grim Dawn. With a staggering 45 mastery combinations in the game, we think everyone will find something that appeals to them!
Like knowing what is coming up next for Grim Dawn? Check back on 10/28/2024 for the next Grim Misadventure!
No wendigo shapeshift?
 

Lacrymas

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Pathfinder: Wrath
I'm not the biggest fan of transformations because you can't see your cool loot. But given how Grim Dawn's loot is a tad overdesigned in the first place, it's not like you see much anyway.
 

Lacrymas

Arcane
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Pathfinder: Wrath
I've been playing this lately again due to lowkey hype for TQ2/PoE2 and some things have been changed around. I remember there wasn't a single legendary weapon for a vitality Drain Essence build, but now the Decree of Malmouth has been modified and it's perfect for my build. I've also started the Shattered Realm to see what that's about and it's what I expected it to be - random maps with a bajillion mobs in them. It's not my favorite type of content, especially since there aren't different mechanics, but it's ok for a while. I prefer Crucible and the roguelike dungeons as the endgame. You can do them at any level, though, so you aren't forced through the campaign every time if you don't want to do it (unlike some hack and slashers I can name).
 

Sweeper

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I'm probably the only motherfucker who uses alts for stash space because using GD Stash feels too much like cheating.
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I love pet builds in principle, but in practice it's boring, the player does nothing but watch his minions decimating the map without impunity.
It's the lazy man's way of playing the game. Peak oblomovschina.
 

KeighnMcDeath

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I did stash hounds on online games if I could. Pretty risky in games where you have to drop shit somewhere, log off, log on alt, and grab shit before it is taken or degrades. Building clans of alts via a few computers and a few accounts was great in some games to share clan stash but some games you'd have to designate a dude's slots to one kind of thing or else (shudder), pay gacha for extra storage space.
 

Zeriel

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I love pet builds in principle, but in practice it's boring, the player does nothing but watch his minions decimating the map without impunity.

I think every ARPG is chasing the high that D2 necro had and never coming close. The special sauce there was having a HUGE army that just visibly overwhelmed the map, the fun factor of seeing your skeletons visibly get better gear as you leveled it up, etc. I just haven't seen any other ARPG manage the appeal that vanilla D2 had for the summoner build (including its sequels and the druid summons in D2 xpack not being anywhere near as cool), no matter how mathematically good it is.

Summoners in ARPGS imo should turn the game into an RTS, anything less is just boring.
 

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