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It's a common myth that we never used to ban anyone. If you want the classic example, look for Sheriff_Fatman. He was one of the earliest posters banned by Saint_Proverbius because he was posting one thing on Duck and Cover, and the exact opposite on the Codex. In short, he was trolling. That's all he was here for. He wasn't actually giving his genuine opinion, he existed just to stir shit up.
The Codex, despite the trolling and baiting that occurs, exists for discussion. If we get a hint that you're not here to actually discuss anything and instead can only post things consisting of (for example) "LIBRULS ARE SHIT", to the point that's all your posts consist of. Then you go one further and whinge to me about why your shit was Retardo'd (like you're too stupid to figure it out), chances are you'll get Watch-witzed. Keep it up still, and you're likely to get queued. Keep that up, and you're likely to get banned.
Once we ban you, we have a tendency to keep banning you.
Now, you've asked for "the reason why we ban FretRider". And you want the short version... So here goes.
February 5, 2005
The story of FretRider (aka Guido Fawkes) begins with a user called bryce777, who registered in 2005. I'll cut a long story short and simply link this thread: obligatory ban/kill bryce777 petition. The jist you should get from that is:
- It was largely considered that Bryce did not enhance the forum experience by contributing to discussion.
- Bryce constantly registered alts.
- Bryce constantly shit-posted.
- Nobody particularly valued Bryce's presence.
Read Phelot's short story "Speculative fiction: A Horrific Alternate Reality" for more of an understanding of Bryce (keeping in mind it's an alternate reality). You can also get the summary here. You'll note he's in the troll section - and I'll make an important note here that most of the users mentioned in the troll and spamming sections of that list have ended up getting banned at some point, to give you an indication of the sort of user Bryce was and what usually ends up happening to those users.
IE: Bryce has received no special or unique treatment. He in fact has gotten the same treatment as many similar users.
Now, have you noticed how FretRider continues to bang on about the Sheek vs Trash incident? Well the very first incident of that, and in fact the thread that created the meme was A funny PM I got from roqua, started by one of Bryce's more well-known alts, Jim Kata.
Now I can't recall the exact when and where of Bryce's banning but eventually he was banned. He constantly registered alts and tried to come back and we kept banning him.
Dec 15, 2008
Some years later, a new user called Knightrider appeared. KnightRider insulted everyone and anything. In fact, that was all he ever did. He then started making false apologies and swearing that he had changed (note the line "unlike my previous trolling persona"). He was insincere. The large number of posts KnightRider ended up with in Retardo Land should give you an indication as to the sort of user he was.
Oh yeah, and this is back in the heady days of 2008 when we didn't have as many moderators and admins as we do now.
If you think thins have changed with how we deal with annoying users, you should know that we tagged him, gave him a custom avatar (a topless David Hasselhoff wearing speedo's) and tried various other remedies. Instead of banning KnightRider, I reset his password and gave it to another user called Chefe. As you can appreciate, this caused Knightrider immense butthurt. To the point that I got PMs from his alts insulting me, Trash, etc... Much like I get from FretRider today.
Eventually though, he disappeared and things calmed down once again.
Feb 20, 2010
Shortly after the disappearance of KnightRider, Schattenjäger appeared. Schattenjäger did nothing but call people names and hate Trash. To the point that he constantly spammed topics about Trash in every forum.There are literally at least 50 topics with the same title / content as those two threads in Retardo Land. Feel free to search for all posts by Schattenjäger that are in Retardo Land in order to get a better feel for the type of user he was. He also had a thing for Wyrmlord and stalking people in general.
Schattenjäger was the quintessential shit-poster. I don't believe he ever made a single post that wasn't calling some user out, trolling, some stalkerish bullshit or utter shite in general. When he spammed, that was the final straw. Spammers die and so as a result, Schattenjäger was banned.
May 15, 2012
When FretRider (who asked to have his account renamed to Guido Fawkes during his tenure here) arrived, it didn't take long to figure out who it was and we banned him. We instituted a "zero bryce tolerance policy".
FretRider said he understood: "I understand how my days of tranny trolling, spamming and terrorizing the codex have set this kind of thing in motion. But I sincerely want to come back as a productive poster who follows the rules."
He apologised: "I would be willing to apologize for any offence I have done to Jason, Darkunderlord, Trash, Jaesun or the trannies. I never meant to be such a hated foe of yours. It was just trolling and I left that behind. This is not a trap like the ones I set many times."
And he made the terms and conditions of over-turning his ban crystal clear: " If I do anything wrong you can obviously insta-ban my account and delete all my posts again. I won't." He still shit-posted on people's profiles mind you.
He admitted that KnightRider was: "a hardcore trolling account from the start".
And he said to Wyrmlord: "What I did to you was pretty torrid trolling. You got it worse than the trannies even. My last apology wasn't sincere, but this one is."
I made it clear, back then, what the difference was between shitposting and having a discussion:
No, more that there's a difference between:
a) Having a discussion where you actually debate your point of view.
- and -
b) Calling everyone you reply to a undomesticated snowman shitcock who's too sensitive, attacking everyone and everything in most posts you make, of which you make 50+ per day. Particularly hunting people down and posting shit on their profile's about why they're such miserable people or some such nonsense. Or especially when the vast, overwhelming majority of their posts are in GD. Making a bare handful of reasonable posts in other forums doesn't save them.
Reason b) is why Andhaira is stuck in the moderation queue. b) is not here to "discuss" anything with anyone. b) is here to troll (Alternatively, if you really do hate everyone who's here, than banning you is doing you a favour). Incidentally, Andhaira too created umpteen different variations of his account until we eventually just tired of him and cut his rope because every thread he created or posted in resulted in an immediate de-railment with only image macro replies and a thread destined for Retardo Land.
As you said, people like that have pretty much been trolling all along. Particularly when they have a history of such.
Put another way: Apparently you hate everything - or everything is a undomesticated snowman shitcock conspiracy - and you need to tell us about it. Constantly. And we've passed the point where we care. Bush did 911. Which is better and why?
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You'll find there's a direct correlation to how much crap you post and how many people choose to ignore you. It's not quality sunshine, it's quantity. And it doesn't matter if it's left-wing, right-wing or images from your retarded game development project. You spam, you get ignored. And I nuke spammers with impudence.
a) Having a discussion where you actually debate your point of view.
- and -
b) Calling everyone you reply to a undomesticated snowman shitcock who's too sensitive, attacking everyone and everything in most posts you make, of which you make 50+ per day. Particularly hunting people down and posting shit on their profile's about why they're such miserable people or some such nonsense. Or especially when the vast, overwhelming majority of their posts are in GD. Making a bare handful of reasonable posts in other forums doesn't save them.
Reason b) is why Andhaira is stuck in the moderation queue. b) is not here to "discuss" anything with anyone. b) is here to troll (Alternatively, if you really do hate everyone who's here, than banning you is doing you a favour). Incidentally, Andhaira too created umpteen different variations of his account until we eventually just tired of him and cut his rope because every thread he created or posted in resulted in an immediate de-railment with only image macro replies and a thread destined for Retardo Land.
As you said, people like that have pretty much been trolling all along. Particularly when they have a history of such.
Put another way: Apparently you hate everything - or everything is a undomesticated snowman shitcock conspiracy - and you need to tell us about it. Constantly. And we've passed the point where we care. Bush did 911. Which is better and why?
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You'll find there's a direct correlation to how much crap you post and how many people choose to ignore you. It's not quality sunshine, it's quantity. And it doesn't matter if it's left-wing, right-wing or images from your retarded game development project. You spam, you get ignored. And I nuke spammers with impudence.
I even had a very detailed discussion with him when he joined and he insisted he would "tone it down" this time. Notice how again, in this very thread, he's admitted the same problem he said he would deal with before: "One point where I am indeed wrong and several supporters have pointed out to me(specially HHR)is that I swear too much and use personal insults too often. I actually picked them up pretty heavily on you, DarkUnderlord and specially did it often with Trash. It's not like I'm going to take back my mensa t-shirt jokes and it's not like my opinion of Trash will improve or anything, but I certainly shouldn't be calling others "faggots", "degenerates", "assholes", "worthless scum" and else so frequently. It is just not elegant anyway.
That is going to be improved upon if this permanent banishment thing ends."
Yet FretRider reverted to the same form he exhibited as Schattenjäger, making spammy topics about Trash. And he had plenty of warnings.
Now, here's the kicker: Guido Fawkes is @FretRider is Knightrider is Schattenjäger is Jim Kata is bryce777.
The link between bryce and FretRider occured via e-mail to my rpgcodex mail address, when just a day after banning FretRider once again, bryce emailed me completely out of the blue asking to have his old account back. Bryce's IP traces to a location in Brazil just north of Uruguay, various IP's FretRider has used over the years trace to the same location - and mostly Brazil. I hardly consider that a co-incidence.
He is a user who has a seven year history of doing nothing but shit-posting and causing trouble. He has a regular pattern of apologising and pretending he's changed before reverting to his old habits. He is not a user I want on the Codex. If you really can't understand that, and you really have difficulty grasping the reasons why we've repeatedly banned him, then I really don't know how else I can explain it to you.
That's the short version.
As a general rule, if we ban your account, and we spot another account from you, we ban it on sight. We've been doing it with Orgasm for the past few months until he toned it down. We didn't have to ask him to tone it down, he figured it out and did. Bryce can't seem to figure it out.
How many more times do I accept his apologies, apologies we've accepted before, only to see him break that apology mere days later? How many more chances do you think this guy needs? No really, you tell me how many chances I should give bryce. I'd really like to know here. Put a number on it. You want me to accept he's changed? I already have. Three times. So you give me the number of apologies you'd accept from someone for something, only to have them turn around and do the exact thing they apologised for again and again and again? You tell me how many times you'd accept that.
I believe I've been far more than reasonable.[/url]
Yeah, not sure where he's getting that figure from. The gold bricks in Taluntain's home alone are worth at least $2 Trillion.
