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KickStarter Hibernaculum - sci-fi survival horror dungeon crawler from Wormwood Studios' Victor Pflug

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In my opinion if it looks good and it works then there is nothing bad with it, unless you dont feel any accomplishment but then you must ask yourself if your artist pride is worth more than your end goal.

Yeah, I don't care how it's done, if it works, and looks good. But I could see it might be viewed as a bit cheap if you just take pics from the internet and pixelate them.
 

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for those that don't want to use twitter to see it full-sized

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edit: the font in the log is much-improved too
 
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Hey, thanks for posting the portrait - forgot to mention, I appreciate it.

Incidentally that quote is actually from Dirty Jobs with Mike Rowe - some guy that has to don a bearsuit to clean out septic tanks says it at one point.

I only steal from the best.
 
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What do you mean by fake? Taking a normal looking picture and pixelating it? Is that frowned upon in the pixel art community? Can it be detected by veterans?

It depends on the context.

Asset churning:
Creating assets for a game is one thing on its own. Pixel art is a time consuming medium so in order to remain productive and stay on budget, filters and other photoshop tricks are very often used. I don’t think it’s frowned upon in this context.

Curated Gallery:
Pixel art involves working with limitations: palette, size and tools. It would be rightly frowned upon if a filtered was applied to a photograph and then submitted to a curated gallery. It’s like tracing a drawing as opposed to drawing it by skill alone. And yes, veteran can tell. If you’ve done it before you can tell what is pixel art and what isn’t at a glance.

Pixel artists use automated tools to various degrees as well, it depends.

Snake didn’t use a lot of filters if I recall correctly:
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Neither did Cyangmou with Tower 57:

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That looks just like the ripped throat effect from Elvira, I actually had to go and check that you didn't, *ahem* borrow it. I guess in the style you did it in there's just not any way to not make it look like it came straight out of that game.

This, on the other hand, is more concerning. Could someone point out the « ripped throat effect » so I can compare what was « borrowed »?
 
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Victor Pflug fuck the purists, hack that shit together any way that makes you happy. they aren't paying your bills, you got a game to make!

Oh my, the « end justify the means » is a very, very slippery slope especially when it comes as your reputation as an artist. Having bills to pay doesn’t justify stealing. Once you’re tagged as the guy who steals from others, you’d better get a new identity.

I remember a Kickstarter which crashed because the artist was « borrowing » a bit too freely and got called out on it. Artist don’t like their stuff being appropriated without permission and rightly so.

EDIT: I can't explain anything about what I've written any further. It's as simple as it gets.
 
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Hibernaculum is growing!!! So is the scope. If anyone out there in the radioactive mist has strong Unity programming skills and/or an interest in RPG mechanics (or u know anyone along those lines) and possibly wants to get involved, maybe drop me a DM ;)

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steal away in my opinion (not to say that you are). any artist worth a shit does it. so long as it results in an interesting final work that has your own touch to it, which your work clearly does (unlike the boring crap that zizka posted on the previous page). highly referential artwork usually has more depth to it anyway. reading into where a work was drawing influence from, finding connections, and being able to see a work process behind the work is half the fun.

i was going to mention before that i think your work process is interesting since it has a collage like mixed media quality to it with using and modifying photo references, so its neat that you are in fact influenced by collage artists. dunno if you know harry o morris who does some work in the vein of max ernst.

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This, on the other hand, is more concerning. Could someone point out the « ripped throat effect » so I can compare what was « borrowed »?
Well, there are several such effects in Elvira, and the only one I can find an image of is this. Though its clearly just a clever reference in this case.
 

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Zizka is explaining a stance but, more importantly, brings up a good risk. Regardless of the truth of the industry, perception can be negative and it did torpedo a Kickstarter.

The discussion of filters is also interesting, as taking a photo and running it through a filter is very low effort. The overexposed "cartoons" in the tavern in Lord of the Rings (the Bashki version) are a great parallel. Versus rotoscoping, which has been used to great effect by animators for film and games. A live positional reference is very obvious, as it seems "too smooth" compared to static references. Think Prince of Persia or Lamplight City.

Having seen his process, I lump this more in with rotoscoping. Similarly, outside of some shader effects (like the CRT minimap and mob scaling) it's all unfiltered integer scaling. (I hear about it every time I mess that up, believe me. ;) )
 

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I'm not involved with Hibernaculum, but Vic is a friend, so I figured I'd weigh in.

I find this line of criticism of his work is unconvincing. On the moral side, he's not stealing assets and he's not secretly assimilating the work of lesser-known developers or something. On the practical side, Vic's art always composes a seamless stylistic whole that all but guarantees that he must transform his source materials in the process of folding them into his work. Finally, as to the criticisms about overpainting or borrowing inspiration, to me a lot depends on the vision that goes into selection -- that is, setting aside the moral and practical points just addressed, the quality question to me is whether the artist/writer/designer/composer is drawing from tired, commonplace sources or whether the selection reflects a roving mind and a sharp eye. It is just far more likely that a work will be novel and additive if it is drawing from (say) Waxworks, Bitmap Brothers, and Golden Age scifi than if it is drawing from Games Workshop, Blizzard, and George R. R. Martin. The resurrectionist who brings back something glorious, beautiful, and almost forgotten from the past does something really different from someone who puts trendy clothes on a familiar model.

Finally, while intellectual sparring on forums is great, and does sharpen a developer's craft, this strikes me as less likely to provide Vic useful advice and more likely to risk disheartening a successful artist and derailing his popular project, which is in nobody's interest at all.

Anyway, I'll leave the thread again to those whose project this is, but wanted to say my bit.
 
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I think I should clarify.

True, but I've never stolen from another artist. I joke about stealing quotes or ideas but this is strictly inspiration. I don't do "fan art" for just this very reason - I like to come up with my own ideas.

I did not say, or think that you stole anything from anyone. I was talking about this:
Victor Pflug fuck the purists, hack that shit together any way that makes you happy. they aren't paying your bills, you got a game to make!

Having to pay bills doesn’t justify everything (the end doesn’t always justify the means). I am talking about the above quote here.

You can compare all you like - I'm getting back to work. I don't need a lecture on art - I've probably done more paintings than you've had hot meals.

I’m sure you have, I don’t paint at all. This being said, I don’t see how it’s related?

I find this line of criticism of his work is unconvincing. On the moral side, he's not stealing assets and he's not secretly assimilating the work of lesser-known developers or something.

I’m confused. What line of criticism exactly? To sum up:

A member said something was « borrowed » from somewhere else.
I asked to know what was borrowed to compare.
The end.

So if people want to get upset about something, that’s fine provided it’s about something I’ve actually said.

Finally, while intellectual sparring on forums is great, and does sharpen a developer's craft, this strikes me as less likely to provide Vic useful advice and more likely to risk disheartening a successful artist and derailing his popular project, which is in nobody's interest at all.

Ok, that’s fair. It wouldn’t be right to derail the thread about it and so I won’t. There’s clearly a misconception of what plagiarism is and isn’t anyway. Let’s leave it at that.
 

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I’m confused. What line of criticism exactly? To sum up:

A member said something was « borrowed » from somewhere else.
I asked to know what was borrowed to compare.
The end.

It's part of what I'd describe as a running conversation on this forum. Things get conflated. In case you missed it, I do appreciate your warning about Kickstarter. Just something to think about regarding us keeping the discussion about the game, as opposed to a spirited debate on modeling references. :)
 
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PART 1



2008


I'm gonna jump right in and start by recounting some of the first experiences I had in the industry. I'd done more art than I had music, code or writing prior to starting Primordia - so I used this "main skill" to try to get a foothold in the industry, in and around 2008 & 2009. I was trying to hustle jobs wherever I could, mainly as a concept artist on other people's indie projects.

I found myself working on a project called Cyclopean - a Lovecraft inspired RPG. However I was being asked to redo concepts over, and over, and over. The project lead from that ended up blaming me & the other artists on the team in a roundabout way for it's failure - but my little brother had watched me laboriously repaint the same Ziggurat & evil onion ten times for this guy when it was pretty much *great* the first time around - so my brother knew the *real* deal there. Even if the lead dev couldn't face his own shortcomings. I was met with a pretty similar experience on my next "work for hire" job which featured robotic protagonist that of course appealed to me but I was outta there pretty quickly too when it became apparent I was going to be sidelined by, what *I* felt, was poor project management and the same endless redrafting ad nauseum as Cyclopean had me fumbling around with. I did take one very important thing away from that though - the original rejected concept art for Viktor. I also left with a strong desire to lead a team better than these guys.


It was during these ultimately fruitless experiences that I thought *I* might be able to lead a team, and get a project over the line. I wanted to allow my team mates ideas on board even if I didn't 100% gel with them myself - if I could keep strong work - but also somehow get the *work* to gel - then we might just have something special on our hands. We might actually just, you know, release a cool game.


2009

My developers log at the time really sums this philosophy up - looking back - I wish I had used this sheet as my bible from there on out & as a prologue for my studio. It pretty much encapsulates my thoughts and feelings going into forming the original Wormwood Studios & of course hugely informing my game design philosophy itself. But I barely remembered it until I looked back over all my old archives recently. I loved the work I was coming up with; even if the people I was volunteering for back then didn't. My game assets weren't being utilized. Who cares if they don't fit your exact vision? Isn't just getting the GAME MADE, paramount? Regardless - that's what I was thinking at the time. Perhaps it is naive looking back, but I think my heart & mind were in the right place. I think I *was* onto something back then.

Anyway, directly after this early experience in the industry at large - in late 2009 I did a few experiments in Adventure Game Studio, creating my own point and click adventure games. Notably a horror game experiment set in an old train station. Very Silent Hill-esque. I thought it had some pretty interesting spell creation mechanics to help the player solve obstacles & puzzles. There was also this short game I made from start to finish called "Trial of the Schnellersparrow" which I did solo in a couple of weeks, all said and done. This gave me the confidence to try something bigger and better & really throw my hat into the ring for the first time.

2010

I began work on Primordia early 2010 and set about creating something like Trial of the Schnellersparrow - but bigger in scope and scale & made over the course of a few months, as opposed to the few weeks I'd set for myself on the last project. Fallout, BASS, and a few others post apocalyptic games along with an obsession for ROBOTS helped inform my early worldbuilding.

RECORD SCRATCH But I wasn't born hustling jobs in the games world - so let's rewind a few years and just have a quick gaze at my earlier days - before all this. (REWIND SOUNDS)


Things were pretty tough growing up. My parents split when I was 2. My Mum met my StepDad who's a computer scientist & sound engineer. I split my time from that point on between family and my bio dad who was an abusive alcoholic, but luckily for me one of his friends gave me my first Nintendo Game & Watch, he also lent me a C64 at age 10 - because we couldn't afford much at home. The first time I saw Monkey Island it was displayed on a giant CRT television in my friend Lawrence's attic. That blew my mind back in '92. My Mum was a seamstress, and I think in modern terms you'd simply call her a "creative". Mum and I used to design & make clothes together - she'd make the patterns and sew them, and I'd airbrush paintings on them. We did a lot of art together, Annette and I.

Years later when I met my best friend in art school, we made a pact to always do art and music together (25+ years and still going strong by the way). Although back then I was also still somewhat tied to my Mum's apron strings. That would change in 2005 when my Mum committed suicide due to her abusive childhood & inner demons. It was beyond devastating having her leave me as my world was also gone overnight. After that I'm not really *me* anymore. My artwork became pretty dark around then, and never really switched back to the the cute & happy stuff I was painting before that. I think my best mate from art school was my rock back then. I don't think I really understood at all, or even registered what a deep effect that had, at a time where I was really just starting to figure out who I was. The next couple of years are a blur, but I know I lost myself almost entirely. We'll touch more on how deeply this event impacted me on a fundamental level a bit later.

RECORD SCRATCH But I wasn't born hustling jobs in the games world - so let's rewind a few years and just have a quick gaze at my earlier days - before all this. (REWIND SOUNDS)

2009


So that's how I eventually came to creating the world of Primordia. The story of two robots on a mission across a dead & machine strewn nuke-sterilized wasteland, from their airship home, past a huge buried robot in the sand to a vast city & tower where they'd recover a McGuffin, and defeat the Big Bad. It was a pretty simple hero's journey idea for a game in a style I thought I wanted to explore more, stemming off from my previous work. It called back to ideas I'd also had years earlier of a "Milo & Otis" style adventure game featuring two robots in an alternate WW2 setting. That idea, married with the world building I'd developed in Trial of the Schnellersparrow became the core of what would become the world, story & characters of Primordia.

So I started mapping out the game world, landscape, walkable backgrounds, thumbnails, assets as well as more character concepts etc, and also making a working game build. I used these assets & test build to try to entice people to join up with my new fledgling game project team. I was just calling it "Robot Game" at that point in time, as a placeholder.

I put out a call on the AGS forums and received several responses from writers, musicians, & voice actors. Among which was a prospective email from Mark Yohalem. I had several choices, but I felt having a Harvard Educated Lawyer on board could help my budding game development studio down the line. In hindsight I think that influenced my decision to select Mark as my dialogue writer for Primordia over several of the other candidates that had emailed me at the time. Regardless, I sent Mark the full portfolio of world-building I had done for Primordia so far. He was impressed, and started sending me story notes and ideas to flesh out the game immediately, & fill in the areas I either wasn't confident in, or felt I didn't have the time to create. My two main responsibilities were as lead dev & director, but I wasn't quite as confident in my skills across the board as far as game development goes, back then.

So the team and I began working and building from each other's ideas, Mark writing according to my designs & concept, with progress on Primordia sailing along at a pretty rapid pace for a few months. I hired (& paid out of pocket) several voice actors who I had in mind for specific roles during the project's inception. At that time I also made another small point and click game solo, called Beacon, over the course of a few days. It's a pretty simple, tiny underwater version of Primordia. A little robot helps a crashed re-entry capsule pilot not die after an unexpected touch down at sea. This visual storytelling was what led me to create scenes like the one with Horatio and Crispin boarding the train to Metropol. I'd animated Horatio stepping on the caboose, then realized Crispin would actually be physically left behind in the game engine. The simplest solution for me was just having Horatio grab Crispin around his middle and hold onto his friend for the ride. It was a happy accidental hug & I added the closeup after that as a result. It wasn't a familial embrace though - just of one friend helping another. I mean, who knows what may have happened if I'd written the dialogue for these two as well. I think it's safe to say though - you're all gonna find out more about experiments like that pretty soon.

I write my own dialogue for games now, and design my own puzzles. It's actually a bit faster, and I think fits my own work better overall. But back then I was pretty nervous about my writing skills. I felt I needed some help to actually write the lines I needed to push my story and characters forward in Primordia, and the projects that would follow in the coming years as well, to a certain extent. I told Mark on a couple of occasions not to expand *too* much on the backstory & lore for Primordia, as I'd just hired him to write dialogue for my characters. Which he did.

In late 2010, feeling the weight of development - I emailed someone who had given me advice earlier in the year about programming, James, and I invited him officially to join the budding Primordia team, full time. We were now well into the development of the city I'd envisioned early on, now called "Metropol" - although I'd very firmly insisted on the name Primordia for the game itself, when Mark floated "Pursuit of Power" to me.

2011

The start of 2011 kicked off with Mark sending details for a new game of his that he wanted to pitch to studios called "Star Captain". While working on Primordia, I started creating art & music assets to help Mark with his pitch. It was also at this time that Mark informed me he was bypassing me, and sending files directly to James from now on to implement in the build.

January also marked the entry of Dave Gilbert from Wadjet Eye Games into the picture, he contacted me via the AGS forums regarding his publishing my game. I *was* interested, as Dave had made a bit of a name for himself by then. Having a team mate on board that also happened to have skills in the law, I naturally asked for Mark's advice regarding the details of the contract, as well as discussing a few other details of what any contract between me and Dave might include. However- Mark benefitting from this contract meant his advice was never neutral. To be clear though, I was still just in talks with Dave about any deal with Wadjet.

Key among my considerations taking on Wadjet as my publisher, were keeping my original team on board & intact, as well as making sure that Dave would distribute the proceeds from Primordia sales at my discretion according to what would be in my contract. As opposed to me simply receiving the money from Dave myself, and having to divide it and send it to my team members.

My hands were full working on Primordia, and having no knowledge of business or how that side of things worked, I was convinced to at least consider the deal with Dave. I figured that with an established publisher, and a Harvard educated lawyer on board both many years my senior; I'd be in experienced & professional hands when it came to the business side of things for my game. Which was an aspect I didn't think I was qualified to tackle at the time. I really just wanted to make games and not worry about the business & money related aspects. I mean, what could go wrong?

So in March 2011 Mark had told us that S2 games had backed out of publishing his game Star Captain, & despite some slow down and worry regarding James at the time, I assured Mark all was well and work continued. This is when I floated the name Wormwood Studios. Wadjet had several other developers in their stable at that time such as JBurger and the devs behind Journey Down - people who had inspired a lot of my work on Primordia. So I was taken aback when Mark sent me several negative emails about these devs - but I took it for just "venting" at the time due to Mark's failed pitch for Star Captain.

A few problems come up with the music. But they were resolved & I resumed talks with Dave regarding his publishing my game. In June 2011 the contract from Wadjet was altered to include several clauses to protect my IP rights, as well as a few other protections for myself - as the original creator of Primordia. I also insisted on my two main teammates Mark and James be paid a set royalty percentage. With me developing the Game Primordia for Dave, & Mark & James officially assisting. This was now written into my contract with Dave Gilbert of Wadjet Eye Games, signed sealed and delivered.

I notified the whole team officially- we were now signed up with Dave, for better or worse. Mark chats with Dave and assures me that it helps being friends with a lawyer.

Production continues, albeit a fair bit slower now, with channels of communications divided between myself, Mark, James and Dave, although progress did continue with Mark now suggesting "Gold Idol Games" as a name for our Studio - however I insisted on Wormwood Studios for the title because it calls to mind Absinthe - part of my Swiss heritage, as well as my favourite game studio; Westwood.

Near the end of 2011 I had some major health problems mostly because of where I was living, which was a rotten shed in the backyard of my StepDad's house. Black mold had overrun a big patch under my bed (as well a few other problems) it was pretty shocking to discover the time, kind of freaked me out. It actually explained a lot of my lack of focus and other health issues. I mentioned all this to the team. But I didn't really get a response. But hey, I hired these guys to help build my game with me - not baby me when I was sick. Anyway. I just took this for them being busy. I couldn't help but make another game around then too - another little adventure game I made for then girlfriend called Aurora. This one had full VO and ended up being a nice little polished game, or I thought so for the amount of time I put into it, which was no longer than a week or so - it was being made as a present.

2012

The start of 2012 was marred by a pretty boneheaded mistake on my part, unplugging my PC & killing my whole OST. Dead in the water. I let the team know I'd be out of action for a while recovering all my systems. However, halfway into January Dave sent me the first of what would be a new way of dealing with me from his end post contract signing; ultimatums, and very little regard for *my* issues or problems. Dave had been informed of my workstation meltdown, by me, but I got a pretty sharp email from him telling me that I should have informed him, in advance of my absence. We all had issues and breaks here and there, heck, Mark had a child at one point during production. I'm sure that slowed him down. You can't always expect the unexpected - but apparently Dave felt justified in making that pretty absurd demand of me.

I reiterated that it was unavoidable. This should have been the first indicator to me of Dave's poor management skills, as I'd only JUST signed our contract prior to this incident - and Dave's tone towards me immediately shifted entirely after this & you'll see our exchanges bear that out, from this point onwards.

I start working with Dave's new composer, Nathan, on the music for Primordia. Though now the music had changed hands three or four times via Dave's "expert" management, so I was becoming somewhat frustrated with the process. This was also the second person named Nathan doing the music on Wadjet's behalf. A little confusing to say the least. I probly did over-direct the second Nathan with my somewhat overbearing synth aesthetic - because I essentially composed a soundtrack for Primordia alongside his, to send him as a reference and guide to inform his own work on the "official" Primordia OST. This tandem Primordia OST I made would later be released as a standalone on Steam, which was Mark's suggestion around this time. One of the many compromises I'd made up until then with Dave.

Mark pointed out that I had an obligation to WEG which I had to make good on, so I replied that I would make the best of the situation, and progress continued. Somewhat strained at times, but I was pleased with the new music Nathan was making for the most part, so of course we got along personally for the most part as well - with Nathan rising to the challenge of my admittedly overbearing direction.


Dave messaged me about the person I had cast as Crispin in Primordia, Chis Trew. He's a really cool nerd rapper & stand up comedian based in Austin Texas, with a sing-song voice and a very quirky personality. He reminded me of "Joey" from Beneath a Steel Sky - another quirky robot in another adventure game that I took a lot of inspiration for Primordia from when I was first designing it, before bringing anybody on board. Huge obvious influence from BASS. So I had him in mind even before I put a call out for anyone to join Primordia. He was actually also part of the reason I first even decided to include voice acting in the game, or make it at all. For real. And yeah again the first time I said YES to Dave regarding a Primordia deal when we first spoke, he agreed that CT would stay on board as Crispin, this was reiterated on and off several times throughout contract negotiations.

So, earlier in the year I'd asked Dave whether voice acting was underway; with no reply. Many months later when Dave wanted all the VO done right away, Chris happened to be doing a comedy tour at that time. Dave was adamant this small delay was unacceptable and could lead to a delay of up to a year. Now, not only had the initial talks of my deal for Primordia with Dave begun with assurances I could keep CT specifically as Crispin, as I mentioned, and throughout talks, but I was now in a position of not just compromise, but capitulation to Dave on a major creative choice for our game, and a choice to fire someone I had brought on board from the beginning. I did eventually cave to the pressure of my team, and Dave, and I fired Chris.


My relations with Dave dissolved almost entirely from then on. On the surface, things till progressed. I began to answer his long winded emails to my team in short order, and just go and get the work done myself. I gotta say, I was pretty fed up with Dave's treatment of me by then. Mark, however, seemed strangely ecstatic - sending me an exited email telling DN and I what a big thing he now thought Primordia was, how it could be the start of something bigger etc. Although I always had believed in it. Mark's language was curiously negative, which threw me off. Whilst I was happy I was moving forward, in my mind, I'd irrevocably breached a bond of trust with my team mate. Getting Primordia made was still my main goal but wow, had things gone off my original track now in a BIG fucking way.

Dave also offered to terminate CT on my behalf, which I thought was really weird. This was my mess and I wouldn't ask anyone else to clean it up. I did the deed, fired Chris and moved on, feeling dirtier because of it.
 
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I'm looking forward to this one. I hope the gameplay lives up to the art and the detail there.
I'd love to see the following stuff put into some sort of dev diary or something:
  1. Races Selection - You mentioned robot types, cyborgs, artificial humans, humans, etc. I think
  2. Background - History of the character up to this point, previous jobs they had, birthing circumstances (clone, genetically pure child, genetically modified embryo, etc.)
    1. Traits - I think some of this stuff should have a positive and negative, and not just straight towards your skills or stats. But something down the line or that effects gameplay, i.e. a random glitching when you're trying to hack, or difficulty attacking someone who has not attacked you (3rd law of robotics type shit), etc.
  3. Current Starting class - Soldier, Engineer, Janitor, whatever.
    1. I'd rather this one be just a starting with some specialties available at the start. But you could be able to branch out into other stuff as the game progressed and you level up.
  4. Skills - Percentage or ranking based. With each level, you have the option of adding X number of ranks to your skills. And some skills get a small bonus because they're from your original class, while others are hard to start at first, but after you reach the initial rank (educated or whatever) it goes to normal improvement.
  5. Perks/Feats - Gotta have these. They shouldn't be a skill buff though, but rather some other benefit you can't gain through leveling and skill investment. Combat and non-combat.
  6. Class Abilities - Something that's specific to your starting class that you retain throughout the game. It's only available if you pick that as your current starting class: i.e. breath control for a sniper, etc.
    1. These can improve by ranking with additional abilities via your perks when you level up.
    2. Additionally, you can obtain a very low-level version of a starting class ability with something gained outside of leveling, via trainers and then an investment via skills
  7. New Non-Class specific abilities - I.E. something based perhaps on an evolution of a starting race: from human to Cyborg, or cybernetic implants gained, etc.
 

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Wow, I suddenly understand what devs have said to me. :D

It's hard to do something like that at this time. Until we reach minimum viable product we don't know what would or would not be fun. Everything sounds fun and exciting when you pitch it, but there are a lot of miles to go before you can see how they play together. I have to put my useful hours into the engine as well. Without getting into personal discussion, I can never predict how productive I can be.

To give you an idea of the sort of work that occupies my dev time, I was trying to get a run-time import of animations so we could iterate faster without hard coding every single thing. (it could also be used for modding, no promises) Well, Unity apparently is actually incapable of doing that. So today I wrote a custom animation routine (sprites are so easy to animate) but now need to re-implement everything that gets loaded at runtime. It's this kind of insanity that sneaks up on you, and it needs to get out of the way before Vic can add new stuff to the game without using me as a middle man.

Meanwhile, ranting about rolling airfraime missles in the shower leads to some great story elements.

Now, when we get to the point where the game mechanics are all we're thinking about, I'll see if I can do a dev diary about that sort of thing. Until then, it would just be a boring discussion about moving from arrays to dictionaries and disabling texture filtering.
 

Zariusz

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Hmm bird huh, i cant really see it. Well unless the body had its head chopped off.
 

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