Historical Revisionism in Video Game and it's consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

[Jarpie]

Saw this video in my yootoob recommendations, and he's another console pleb who seems to think that console games are the only games...that poses a question, not sure if someone has brought it up yet, but it seems like console plebs are more usually manchildren who make more childish/immature videos, than those who grew up with C64/Amiga/PC/etc.

 

[Halfling Rodeo]

Saw this video in my yootoob recommendations, and he's another console pleb who seems to think that console games are the only games...that poses a question, not sure if someone has brought it up yet, but it seems like console plebs are more usually manchildren who make more childish/immature videos, than those who grew up with C64/Amiga/PC/etc.

Retro console gamers are manchildren, retro PC gamers are neckbeards.

 

[Viata]

Turned out I'm a manchildren neckbeard.

 

[Vic]

Turned out I'm a manchildren neckbeard.

like most of the codex

 

[Lucumo]

Just wanted to mention a phenomena, that whenever I see people with big games collection rooms on YouTube, it's almost always very very console oriented.

Probably should look towards European collectors? Not personally interested in these people but the only one I know from here collects DOS games.

 

[Falksi]

Saw this video in my yootoob recommendations, and he's another console pleb who seems to think that console games are the only games...that poses a question, not sure if someone has brought it up yet, but it seems like console plebs are more usually manchildren who make more childish/immature videos, than those who grew up with C64/Amiga/PC/etc.

Tbf that's the SHMUP Junkie, someone who's content is 90% SHMUP focused, so I really wouldn't expect much PC stuff from him. His channel is literally dedicated to 1 arcade style genre.

Despite his PC ignorance, overall he is one of the good guys. He champions a lot of stuff which gets forgotten and dismissed for all the garbage normie wank, so I've way more time for him than most of the Tubers out there.

We're all on the same side really, the underground/alternative set of gamers who get looked down on because we like games which require levels of intelligence & skill above basic spasticness. PC RPGs and SHMUPs are flipsides of the same coins to me, they appeal to people with a capacity for deeper, more advanced mental and dexterous workings than Joe Mongol.

 

[Machocruz]

Just wanted to mention a phenomena, that whenever I see people with big games collection rooms on YouTube, it's almost always very very console oriented. I don't know if this guy has any PC games in his world record one, because they don't seem to show any, but again the person is wearing a console shirt and in other videos people have lots of consoles under a TV:

His completed collections are pretty much all the mainstream consoles too...

• Complete North American NES Collection
• Complete North American SNES Collection
• Complete Nintendo 64DD Collection
• Complete North American Gamecube Collection
• Complete North American Wii Collection
• Complete North American Wii U Collection
• Complete North American Gameboy Collection
• Complete North American Gameboy Color Collection
• Complete North American Gameboy Advance Collection
• Complete Virtual Boy Collection
• Complete North American Game Gear Collection
• Complete North American Sega Genesis Collection
• Complete North American Sega CD Collection
• Complete North American Sega 32X Collection
• Complete North American Sega Saturn Collection
• Complete North American Dreamcast Collection
• Complete North American Sega Pico Collection
• Complete North American Neo Geo Pocket Collection
• Complete North American Atari Jaguar Collection
• Complete North American Playstation 2 Collection
• Complete North American Playstation 3 Collection
• Complete North American Playstation Portable Collection
• Complete North American Original Xbox Collection
• Complete North American Xbox 360 Collection

https://game-collecting.fandom.com/wiki/Antonio_Romero_Monteiro

....apart from the Jaguar that reads like a very normie list of consoles. No Master System, Amiga, C64 etc. suggests he's someone who's not gonna buy much PC stuff to me.

No PC-Engine/TG-16? Fake console gamer, just a consumefag. A lot of good or at least interesting Jap games came out on old computers too, you'd think console cultists would be all over them the way they meat ride that nation in general.

 

[RobotSquirrel]

Deus Ex is about as predictive as X-files was. It threw so much shit at the wall some of it had to become true

"it threw so much shit at the wall" despite the fact that there was very specific sources for the conspiracies the game covered.
The stuff that was dropped from the game was the "threw so much shit" stuff, they had a coherent source for the game they were making. The problem was that 1. They never finished the game properly so most of the story got left out and 2. the book they were copying from was so dense with conspiracies that it was outside the scope of the game, what you are seeing in the final version of Deus Ex is a massively scaled back version of the initial idea.

The only thing I agree with in terms of the criticisms I've seen is that Deus Ex's design is indeed dated, The story was built around Binary switches with the illusion of choice and consequence, the level design suffers from the era the game came out in - Liberty Island being the exception, most of the game should have been that scale but technical limitations prevented it. I do think that if I were to improve on the design of Deus Ex it would be introduce more simulation and allow the game to be more mechanically focused on being sandbox in nature compared to non-linear in nature that we ultimately got. Deus Ex could have been an emergent sandbox, its logically where it should have ended up and where even Warren has commented on he wanted to do a game that was less wide and more tall really implying that those emergent systems never got developed for Deus Ex and should have been, it was the next logical step to take and unfortunately for us we'll never see it.

Deus Ex came out the way it did because they really didn't have any other choice. This was the only way that game was getting released and frankly we were lucky to have even got what we did because it almost didn't happen.

 

[Zero CHAR]

I noticed it with Resident Evil 1 Remake, everyone shitted on it during it's original release because it was more of the same, now it's regarded as the best thing ever.

 

[Halfling Rodeo]

"it threw so much shit at the wall" despite the fact that there was very specific sources for the conspiracies the game covered.
The stuff that was dropped from the game was the "threw so much shit" stuff, they had a coherent source for the game they were making. The problem was that 1. They never finished the game properly so most of the story got left out and 2. the book they were copying from was so dense with conspiracies that it was outside the scope of the game, what you are seeing in the final version of Deus Ex is a massively scaled back version of the initial idea.

So you're agreeing with me that Deus Ex as a piece of conspiracy media is severely lacking and shouldn't be held on a pedestal for it? "It's good for a game" means it's not good.

I noticed it with Resident Evil 1 Remake, everyone shitted on it during it's original release because it was more of the same, now it's regarded as the best thing ever.

I remember RE1 remake getting a great reception. It was such a massive jump in graphics and one of the best looking games of the time. It helped put the gamecube on the map until RE4 took off.

 

[RobotSquirrel]

So you're agreeing with me that Deus Ex as a piece of conspiracy media is severely lacking and shouldn't be held on a pedestal for it?

To an extent sure because none of the people that worked on the game were really that into conspiracy media, they had just discovered things that in turn put them on the right track, which is why we ended up where we ended up and the game essentially predicting the future. They did that completely unknowingly. Now imagine if they had how different the game would have been, I bet it wouldn't have even released, it would have been shut down mid development because Eidos wouldn't have liked the things it said, it would have made people uncomfortable. Ion Storm as ballsy as they were, they weren't THAT level of ballsy.

I mean the issue is that if you did have people that knew about conspiracies working on the game you wouldn't have seen it, it would have gotten cut in production. Same with the Xfiles. Its very obvious why we end up with such disjointed series of events in those media its less because they ran out of ideas and more they were never going to be able to do the thing they wanted to do. We're going to get something that will have to pull punches.

 

[Halfling Rodeo]

I mean the issue is that if you did have people that knew about conspiracies working on the game you wouldn't have seen it, it would have gotten cut in production. Same with the Xfiles. Its very obvious why we end up with such disjointed series of events in those media its less because they ran out of ideas and more they were never going to be able to do the thing they wanted to do. We're going to get something that will have to pull punches.

That's usually bad writers or people not understanding the source material in a way they can express decently. Remember the Gamegate episode of CSI? Fucking funny how badly that went and a lot of conspiracy media has the same problem. A lot of the poorly written stuff is still accurate based on real world information a writer could get. Soy being the future of food is obvious when you see farmers being paid to grow it in the 90s and how that will lead to an excess and it being a cheap bulking material as well as a relatively easy product to manipulate into different forums (tofu wasn't popular but it was well known) so any vegan who paid a small amount of attention could predict soy.

Writing for games is very difficult and writing for conspiracy media is even harder. So many conspiracies bleed into each other and build it's hard to know where to start your tale and end it. Hollywood is full of pedos, they traffic and murder kids, they do it in Satanic rituals, Hollywood is full of Satanists. Where do you begin with that and make it interesting as an elevator pitch? Big Foot is a big ape like creature, He has a history of appearing when UFO activity is high, some people think big foot is an alien pet but others think it's a dimensional hopper, but both groups are retarded on top of the already difficult situation of a Cryptid existing at all. How much of that do you edit? It's fun to listen to a guy rant for an hour how his book is going to reveal Bigfoot is an alien pet on some dumb podcast. Outside of GTA style parody stations there's no good way to tell that story in a game where people will get bored quickly if Bigfoot doesn't appear to them.

Speaking of which. It would be cool to have a Cryptid catching game. There's some indie walking sim about tracking them I don't recall right now but I don't think there's a lot of focused media.

 

[Gerrard]

You're supposed to jump that grab, not try to quick dodge (the player was spamming quick dodge so it grabbed him despite the hitbox distance).

Imagine defending literal Simon Says game design.
"N-no, i-i-it's not a QTE because... IT JUST ISN'T OKAY!?"

 

[Halfling Rodeo]

You're supposed to jump that grab, not try to quick dodge (the player was spamming quick dodge so it grabbed him despite the hitbox distance).

Imagine defending literal Simon Says game design.
"N-no, i-i-it's not a QTE because... IT JUST ISN'T OKAY!?"

QTEs at least had the decency to tell you which button to press and show you when you fucked up. This is worse because it doesn't communicate with you, does the opposite of what you expect the game to do and takes off half your health for the trouble.

 

[Great Deceiver]

You're supposed to jump that grab, not try to quick dodge (the player was spamming quick dodge so it grabbed him despite the hitbox distance).

Imagine defending literal Simon Says game design.
"N-no, i-i-it's not a QTE because... IT JUST ISN'T OKAY!?"

Another midwit who thinks "Sekiro is a QTE game" is a galaxy brain take. Worthless.

Besides, your reading comprehension is about on par with the other lemming. I wrote:

As I said, Sekiro is a restrictive game. You have to play in a very specific way - i.e. parry when you're supposed to, jump when you're supposed to, very rarely dodge when you're supposed to.

You can either like that aspect of it or not, but crying about the game 'cheating' because it punishes you for doing the wrong thing is kind of ridiculous.

I'm not white knighting anything. You people are just desperate.

 

[Gerrard]

>game requires one specific input for a specific prompt (in a short time window), other inputs are failure states even when they appear as if they should be successful
Sekiro is a QTE game. QED.

 

[mindx2]

Just wanted to mention a phenomena, that whenever I see people with big games collection rooms on YouTube, it's almost always very very console oriented. I don't know if this guy has any PC games in his world record one, because they don't seem to show any, but again the person is wearing a console shirt and in other videos people have lots of consoles under a TV:

His completed collections are pretty much all the mainstream consoles too...

• Complete North American NES Collection
• Complete North American SNES Collection
• Complete Nintendo 64DD Collection
• Complete North American Gamecube Collection
• Complete North American Wii Collection
• Complete North American Wii U Collection
• Complete North American Gameboy Collection
• Complete North American Gameboy Color Collection
• Complete North American Gameboy Advance Collection
• Complete Virtual Boy Collection
• Complete North American Game Gear Collection
• Complete North American Sega Genesis Collection
• Complete North American Sega CD Collection
• Complete North American Sega 32X Collection
• Complete North American Sega Saturn Collection
• Complete North American Dreamcast Collection
• Complete North American Sega Pico Collection
• Complete North American Neo Geo Pocket Collection
• Complete North American Atari Jaguar Collection
• Complete North American Playstation 2 Collection
• Complete North American Playstation 3 Collection
• Complete North American Playstation Portable Collection
• Complete North American Original Xbox Collection
• Complete North American Xbox 360 Collection

https://game-collecting.fandom.com/wiki/Antonio_Romero_Monteiro

....apart from the Jaguar that reads like a very normie list of consoles. No Master System, Amiga, C64 etc. suggests he's someone who's not gonna buy much PC stuff to me.

No PC-Engine/TG-16? Fake console gamer, just a consumefag. A lot of good or at least interesting Jap games came out on old computers too, you'd think console cultists would be all over them the way they meat ride that nation in general.

Not everyone is infected by consoomer consolitis: A real collection...

 

[Viata]

Still a consoomer mindset. No matter if consolitis or pcits. Gotta consoome. Cool collection, though.

 

[mindx2]

Still a consoomer mindset. No matter if consolitis or pcits. Gotta consoome. Cool collection, though.

I'm certainly guilty of that to some extent. However, this being my 3rd collection, I made money whenever I sold the last two. So I see it (almost) as an investment in a small way. At least that's what I tell my wife... better than throwing away the money on blondes and cars!

 

[Viata]

I remember you were selling your collection to pay for your daughter's university. Was that the 1st or 2nd collection?

 

[mindx2]

I remember you were selling your collection to pay for your daughter's university. Was that the 1st or 2nd collection?

Second. The 3rd was started because I was kinda of bored during Covid lockdown and had more time for games. I feel that each successive collection has been better than the one proceeding it.

 

[Halfling Rodeo]

I remember you were selling your collection to pay for your daughter's university. Was that the 1st or 2nd collection?

Second. The 3rd was started because I was kinda of bored during Covid lockdown and had more time for games. I feel that each successive collection has been better than the one proceeding it.

Could you explain how you do these collections? Seems respectable to go hunt in the world but there's so much ebay these days.

 

[mindx2]

I remember you were selling your collection to pay for your daughter's university. Was that the 1st or 2nd collection?

Second. The 3rd was started because I was kinda of bored during Covid lockdown and had more time for games. I feel that each successive collection has been better than the one proceeding it.

Could you explain how you do these collections? Seems respectable to go hunt in the world but there's so much ebay these days.

What?! And give away my trade secrets!!

Nah, usually I search online, including ebay, and wait to see someone selling a game I might be interested in that has no idea what they're selling. You would be surprised at how many people sell things without even trying to determine what they might actually be worth. Caveat here, by "actually worth" is solely in the eye of the collector. I avoid like the plague any "slabbed" game with a rating making them extremely overpriced!! That's just stupid (and a scam) to me and makes me... !!

 

[Viata]

Do you buy only if it's complete, that is, box, manual, map, etc or just the box + game is enough?

 

[mindx2]

Do you buy only if it's complete, that is, box, manual, map, etc or just the box + game is enough?

Need to be complete. I have, at times, bought different pieces to make a complete game.