Grand Strategy Imperator: Rome - the new grand strategy from Paradox

[Fedora Master]

 

[Agame]

CK2 portraits were quite good, they really went all in on making this game into a stinking turd...

I think its time to rename it:

IMPERATOR: PROSPER

 

[Mortmal]

It's not all that bad, i seen worse release but it sounded more fun than that on streams and yes they were very lazy on some things. It feels more barebone than EU4 or stellaris at release. Far too easy if you play one of the recommended countries, and too easy if you play a minor. It's like playing stellaris with a slaver ethic, you snowball very fast when you drag slave pops to your capital(which you cant even change) and then convert assimilate them , move them to neighborhood counties,rince repeat thats about all. There's absolutely nothing to do during peace time, most new game mechanics are just safely ignored or you do your best to ignore them, like civil war. It's just a pain to trigger a civil war, you execute anyone at the slightest hint of treason. Characters stats doesn't matter much, a good general helps a lot, but gold >>>> at everything, you just buy out as many mercenaries and throw everything at them .Total war attila is a superior game sadly, there's not even different unit types by countries , every country play exactly the same, that's quite outrageous .Think it's the last time i day one purchase one of their games, again i seen worse, but's quite a shallow map painter. Guess it's over they went for multi and casual gamer shit.

 

[a cut of domestic sheep prime]

It's not all that bad

a few sentences later...

Think it's the last time i day one purchase one of their games, again i seen worse, but's quite a shallow map painter. Guess it's over they went for multi and casual gamer shit.

you kind of realized how shit it is as you went on writing that paragraph, didn't you?

 

[ZeniBot]

That sinking in buyers remorse is a bitch ain't it.

 

[Mortmal]

Kinda , but its just a russian key...

 

[ZeniBot]

Kinda , but its just a russian key...

"yes mister Russian hacker, please steal my credit card details"

Meanwhile in piracy land
"YO HO BOOTY ON THE STARBOARD BOW MOTHERFUCKERS! YAARR!"

I mean dude, if you're gonna steal, steal properly.

 

[Agame]

I mean dude, if you're gonna steal, steal properly.

Paradox games practically fall off the truck, they are cracked and torrented about 5 mins after release and usually always kept up to date with patches/DLC. Jokes on me for giving Paradox my money for all these years.

 

[CootKeeper]

What is going on with the Red Sea? Half of Yemen is in the sea. Also the Aral Sea was bigger than that then.

 

[Fedora Master]

I looked through the game files just now to see if it was possible to mod the various religions and their omen choices to be more distinct. Apparently it isn't. There's an "Omens" file that just contains the 6 choices everyone gets and a "Religions" file that determines the map color, that's it. I have no idea about modding Paradox games though so maybe I'm missing the file that makes specific references to omens depending on religion.

e:

#Johan's stuff
    PEACE_STALLED_WAR_THRESHOLD = 3 # If the warscore has changed by this amount or less in the last year, the war is stalled. Is this even AI?

trigger = {
        has_dlc = "Hellenistic World Flavor Pack"

Planning ahead, are we? (These include events related to Alexander and such, already in the game)

 

[Mortmal]

Kinda , but its just a russian key...

"yes mister Russian hacker, please steal my credit card details"

Meanwhile in piracy land
"YO HO BOOTY ON THE STARBOARD BOW MOTHERFUCKERS! YAARR!"

I mean dude, if you're gonna steal, steal properly.

It's 100% legit and no stealing its taking advantage of the regional prices, it's steam who's not complying with EU laws, and will likely be fined for that.

 

[Mortmal]

I mean dude, if you're gonna steal, steal properly.

Paradox games practically fall off the truck, they are cracked and torrented about 5 mins after release and usually always kept up to date with patches/DLC. Jokes on me for giving Paradox my money for all these years.

You have to wait a few days for the updates, sometime more,the scene takes it time, paradox games aren't too convenient to torrent.

 

[Preben]

They couldn't even add an age range to the Olympics event. Couldn't even be assed to properly implement something that pops up regularly for roughly a third of the ancient world. 87 year olds competing in the Olympics.

Fuck you Paradox, you lying lazy whores.

That was possible if the competition was chariot or horse racing. It was the owners that were declared winners, not the jockeys.

 

[Storyfag]

They couldn't even add an age range to the Olympics event. Couldn't even be assed to properly implement something that pops up regularly for roughly a third of the ancient world. 87 year olds competing in the Olympics.

Fuck you Paradox, you lying lazy whores.

That was possible if the competition was chariot or horse racing. It was the owners that were declared winners, not the jockeys.

The Olympics did not have chariot racing as a competition...

 

[Preben]

They couldn't even add an age range to the Olympics event. Couldn't even be assed to properly implement something that pops up regularly for roughly a third of the ancient world. 87 year olds competing in the Olympics.

Fuck you Paradox, you lying lazy whores.

That was possible if the competition was chariot or horse racing. It was the owners that were declared winners, not the jockeys.

The Olympics did not have chariot racing as a competition...

Wasn't Nero declared a winner of a chariot race competition despite falling off and arriving last at the goalpost? IIRC he was a driver and owner in that race.

 

[fantadomat]

I see a fellow pirate!

 

[Fedora Master]

You do?
e:

 

[Preben]

You do?
e:

Lel.

has this been posted on Paradox' forum yet?

 

[Aemar]

 

[Preben]

Paradox are fucking shameless.

 

[Storyfag]

They couldn't even add an age range to the Olympics event. Couldn't even be assed to properly implement something that pops up regularly for roughly a third of the ancient world. 87 year olds competing in the Olympics.

Fuck you Paradox, you lying lazy whores.

That was possible if the competition was chariot or horse racing. It was the owners that were declared winners, not the jockeys.

The Olympics did not have chariot racing as a competition...

Wasn't Nero declared a winner of a chariot race competition despite falling off and arriving last at the goalpost? IIRC he was a driver and owner in that race.

I stand corrected. And ashamed.

 

[AwesomeButton]

So, the most notable thing about this game is not in its qualities as a game but in how little effort Paradox expected to get away with. Not that it was any difficulty to foresee. Another 2019 trainwreck.

 

[AwesomeButton]

Tbh, the white man should feel guilty for what transpired during the colonization (and the whole matter of lacking reparation), but ignoring historic reality in your historic game is pretty retarded.

Judging events and decisions hundreds of years old by the moral system of present day progressives is meaningless. Even if we leave out the improvements to quality of life which came with industrialisation, colonial rule brought literacy and modern medicine to millions, dramatically increasing life expectancy at birth.

They were absolutely lazy about certain things like this. The example that immediately stood out to me was Sparta. Obviously a lot of players are going to want to play as Sparta, but they failed to present that city in an even remotely faithful manner.

You notice this because you know about the period. The same issue is present everywhere in EU4. I long for a game that portrays the specifics of government in France vs those of England or Spain for example.

The truth is that this kind of game can never work as a paradox-style real-time game spanning centuries. To be even moderately historical, it has to be scenario-based, with a narrow scope of about 30-40 years max, and specific rules and constraints for individual scenarios.

You know what game I loved? EB for R:TW. Why can't someone make this 15 years later.

I just wish its campaign AI would show signs of life in a long campaign, and wouldn't need me to prop it up with cash injections, and that the game wouldn't start CTD-ing after the 150th or so turn. The feeling of progression over the years, however, is unparalleled.

This game will never be fixed, at its best it will be another EU. Because the core features and foundations are all wrong even if they keep adding content and minute mechanics for 5 years. It would need total overhaul to be even remotely interesting or playable.

The core issue is that an EU-style game in Antiquity is a lost cause to begin with. Expansion has to be very slow compared to EU, and the player must be forced into the rationale of ancient polities. Without a proper simulation of religious, economic and political factors that influenced leaders' actions, and which is way over Johan's or anyone at Paradox' head, the player is left with a map painting browser game.

 

[Preben]

Johan himself is the main problem at this point. I don't remember any of his recent designs to be good. There may be some underlying genius on the basic level (like in the case of estates or mana), but horrible implementation makes those nominally good ideas terrible and just unfun. There's also some inability to think outside of the box. All Johan's games still follow the same basic design of risk-eque map painter, even though CK2 clearly showed that character-based gameplay is the way to go and be improved upon. But because Johan is the God Emperor at Paradox, nobody is in the position to challenge him.

Paradox doesn't lack talent. Doommark designed CK2, which is perhaps the best game of that studio. Wiz salvaged Stellaris into something that's actually playable.

 

[ZeniBot]

You do?
e:

Ow this hurts my brain to look at. Why. Why paradox.
This is about as low as it can get.