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Grand Strategy Imperator: Rome - the new grand strategy from Paradox

Beowulf

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IDtenT said:
They've all got wikis.
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But who is updating them? Fans, or Paradox?
I mean, it's a commendable effort, CK II wiki goes very deep when showing how mechanics work.
But creating such an exhausting source of information takes time, and the one for Imperator seems a little outdated and lacks content in comparison. It's not surprising given the small playerbase and reception at launch.

I'm not complaining that there is a lack of sources to learn the game from, but it shows that Paradox doesn't really care about that.
 
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IDtenT said:
They've all got wikis.
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Out of date and shit. (In Imperator's case, severely, as the game has changed drastically from launch. The 'beginner's guide' is meaningless.)

Acting edgy and 2good4tutorials feels like a weird way to boast about not having a life. Like Beowulf said, they don't provide any kinda in-depth manual, and until they finally bother to pay someone to maintain the wikis their worth as an alternative is a joke.

So in lack of either of those, I want their games to have tutorials. Not just for me, but when I want to introduce one of my friends to a game I know they'd love, they don't have the 100 hours spare to spend learning the basics of their first Paradox game. When you don't understand something, it's hard to judge it worth spending time on, especially if you've a time consuming job (not everyone has 9-5 hours and can just kick back afterwards). Half my friends are doing PhDs or postdoc work, if I ask Y to check out Imperator, she isn't able to sit down for days between conferences, teaching, research, and whatever fucking else is on that week.

Paradox deserves some shade for wasting hours of my and others' time with unnecessary obfuscation. This isn't a case of ~keeping out the casuals~, it's a case of corporate laziness. Getting back to the start of this: they essentially do rely on the wikis, but they are completely unfit for purpose.
 
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The problem with imperator wiki is that no one plays imperator so no one cares to update the wiki.

Honestly don't see the game as that hard to learn though. If you can't have fun while poking around on different screens figuring things out then I don't know what to tell you. It's not like its competitive 1v1 Starcraft where you die in 2 minutes to early zerglings unless you know a ton of meta shit and a specific build for each map.
 
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I've put a decent amount of time into Archimedes. Game isn't bad at all right now, just needs maybe another 6-12 months of development before it is a genuinely good game.

Way I see it, these are the flaws with the game right now:
-AI is too passive. Countries that should want each other's land generally don't fight over it, and indeed often ally. Rome and Epirus is an example, another is Thrace and Phrygia/other Anatolian tags. There are welcome exceptions, like the Seleucids and Phrygians seem to be in a constant tug of war.
-Not really much purpose to POPs. It's great that they're in the game, but they don't really do anything. You never see slave revolts, freedmen never demand citizenship, citizens never do anything.
-Character system lacks cohesion. The only real interaction with characters is when they become disloyal, which you fix by either bribing them in some way or waiting for them to start a civil war. The loyalty mechanic is interesting when generals go rogue, but this seems to happen rarely.
-Unit composition is a total mystery. The game has all this variety with what kinds of cohorts you can recruit, but I haven't seen anything to suggest that your army won't win every time so long as it's bigger than the enemy's. This is really a missing layer of gameplay.
-Game generally lacks content. I don't know why the hell we got mission trees for Athens when Athens almost always gets annexed within the first 10 years, and yet we have very little content for the Diadochi.

On the other hand, nation management is generally pretty fun, thanks to the POP system. The game really rewards smart development over immediate expansion. The soundtrack is great. The map is by far the best of any strategy game.
 
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The fact that they didn't bother decently simulating the Roman republic and the Spartan diarchy still bothers me. I don't particularly need anything special, but I would sure like them being represented in a decent way.

Also it's a shame that they left out Alexander the Great. Or at least his son, I would love to change history by keeping Alexander IV alive and if possible place him on the throne.
 
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It's small, but it annoys me to no end that they haven't yet renamed 'Phrygia' to the Antigonid Empire; Greater and Hellespontine Phrygia are just satrapies, and not relevant to that empire beyond being among the first Alexander awarded to Antigonus. Gives a really incorrect impression culturally.
 
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Silva said:
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The trannies in first row are looking good.
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Damn, leave it to Paradox to turn brothers into white supremacists.

Paradox 'we're making things more diverse. Lots more color in our human palette. We know everyone wants a divergent gaming experience.'

Brother 'Ya but why my brothers have makeup? They look like fags and shit, nigga.'

Paradox 'Well, our research shows that more and more women and minorities are playing...

Brother 'They look like she-males, cuz. What in the fuck is wrong with your honky ass?'

Paradox 'But we thought that...

Brother 'Hell with this shit. Those alt right crackuhz was right. I knew it. Imma grab a foh-ty and play some Doom. Fuck Sweden.'
 

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Took only a year to start talking about how all of Persia being 100% Macedonian after 50 years might not be great for their historical strategy game.
 
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I just don't see why they keep insisting on POP mechanics that are anything other than the Victoria ones. I presume it's so that people continue throwing money at as many of their franchises as possible but at the same time I feel like they are wasting so much time on trying to fix the POP mechanics in Stellaris and Imperator and it's still not good enough. Nor will it ever be.
 
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I just want I:R to be fucking *done* so I can do a full Roman playthrough. I am glad they keep overhauling the core mechanics because most of those were half-baked and obtuse while also being full of grind, bit I want to know when it will be finished. After the first couple Crusader Kings II DLC I could play the game basically complete. Nothing unspeakably huge changed, but I:R isn't even at a 1.0 release.
 
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Fedora Master said:
Well, yes, but PDX will continue to throw patches and reworks at it without any noticeable progress.
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Idk man, it's pretty alien from the launch version.

Also, those images you posted, do you know where they're from? Some things seem really off and I'd like to look up what their sources are, or intended interpretations were meant to be.

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I:R is like a foundling they just pretend to care for until it dies completely forgotten like EU:R.
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Idk, I feel like a big part of why I:R has such low stats is that we have both EU4 and CK2 (which have years of DLC and updates).
 
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