Grand Strategy Imperator: Rome - the new grand strategy from Paradox

[Life of the Party]

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/a-new-consul-in-rome.1296318/

 

[troz]

This is one of the most puzzling things to me. Why the fuck did they put jews everywhere? Having a few pops in Babylonia or Egypt is historically correct, as far as I know. Most likely even a pop in Carthage, since punics and hebrews are quite related.
But having jews in Greece or Rome as a significant amount of total population in 304 BC is just fucking retarded. At that time they where still mostly known for being xenophobic hillbilly retards no one likes instead of xenophobic nomadic cutthroats no one likes.

 

[thesecret1]

Don't know about current version, but on release, jews were an ethnic majority on the northern coast of Black Sea. I honestly don't know what the fuck this is supposed to be. And there's so damn many of them too - they're made out to be super numerous and ever present.

 

[Agesilaus]

Cleomenes rearmed 2000 ex helots with the sarissa on the eve of the battle of sellasia,which he lost.
Anyway the macedonian phalanx dominance over the traditional phalanx doesnt mean that it can not be beaten by a hoplite style army in open field battle,this happened at least once in the lamian war shorty after alexanders death.
Not sure if all these are replicated somehow in game,from what i saw though all hellinistic states share the same units and traditions,ie with sparta you can build companion cavalry and pezethairoi phalangitai.

No, it's before that; the reformed army dabbed all over the Peloponnese. Plutarch says 4,000 men were elevated and armed before Aratus invited the Macedonians. Also, he didn't just grab a bunch of helots and equip them - he took mothakes, trophimoi, hypomeiones, and (if the numbers were still insufficient), any free people of note. Polybius doesn't spend much ink on this issue, but he points out that various non-Spartans were admitted to the citizen body during this period (such as the Mantineans).

...[Cleomenes] said, the whole land should be common property, debtors should be set free from their debts, and foreigners should be examined and rated, in order that the strongest of them might be made Spartan citizens and help to preserve the state by their arms. "In this way," he said, "we shall cease to behold Sparta the booty of Aetolians and Illyrians through lack of men to defend her."

After this, to begin with, Cleomenes himself placed his property in the common stock, as did Megistonoüs his step-father and every one of his friends besides; next, all the rest of the citizens did the same, and the land was parcelled out. Cleomenes also assigned a portion of land to each man who had been exiled by him, and promised to bring them all home after matters had become quiet. Then he filled up the body of citizens with the most promising of the free provincials, and thus raised a body of four thousand men-at‑arms, whom he taught to use a long pike, held in both hands, instead of a short spear, and to carry their shields by a strap instead of by a fixed handle. Next he devoted himself to the training of the young men and to the "agoge," or ancient discipline, most of the details of which Sphaerus, who was then in Sparta, helped him in arranging. And quickly was the proper system of bodily training and public messes resumed, a few out of necessity, but most with a willing spirit, subjecting themselves to the old Spartan regime with all its simplicity...

I do see the source of confusion, though. Plutarch says that there was a later group made into phalangites - when Antigonus was being an arsehole, Cleomenes allowed helots to purchase freedom and then armed 2,000 in the Macedonian fashion. This was a separate group, though; Cleomenes had already trained and armed twice as many during earlier reforms.

Regardless, I demand you apologise to the ghost of King Kleomenes III.

On your final comment, I think you're right that the game just uses Macedonian terms for all the Greek armies. Sparta does have some heavy infantry buffs thanks to its form of government, and it has manpower buffs from the buildings. On an important practical note, Sparta also starts with iron so it can produce heavy infantry. Sparta does not begin with horses, though, so unless you set up some trade routes you will not be fielding companion cavalry.

This is one of the most puzzling things to me. Why the fuck did they put jews everywhere? Having a few pops in Babylonia or Egypt is historically correct, as far as I know. Most likely even a pop in Carthage, since punics and hebrews are quite related.
But having jews in Greece or Rome as a significant amount of total population in 304 BC is just fucking retarded. At that time they where still mostly known for being xenophobic hillbilly retards no one likes instead of xenophobic nomadic cutthroats no one likes.

Don't know about current version, but on release, jews were an ethnic majority on the northern coast of Black Sea. I honestly don't know what the fuck this is supposed to be. And there's so damn many of them too - they're made out to be super numerous and ever present.

Yep, it's pretty fucking ridiculous. It doesn't even work with the game mechanics, because they immediately start leaving/converting. In the crap release version you could just spend mana to turn them into Spartans, but whatever.

 

[Malakal]

There were major populations of Jews in northern Black Sea area, how do you think Khazars got converted? They were (((traders))) trading on the important routes there.

 

[Preben]

There were major populations of Jews in northern Black Sea area, how do you think Khazars got converted? They were (((traders))) trading on the important routes there.

Khazars happened one thousand years after Imperator's startdate. They were converted by Radhanite merchants who themselves were a thing because the Jews were dispersed after failed uprisings against Rome.

 

[troz]

There were major populations of Jews in northern Black Sea area, how do you think Khazars got converted? They were (((traders))) trading on the important routes there.

This is after the destruction of the second temple. That event isn't even in the games timeframe.
Modern Judaism e.g. the happy merchant came only to be once the rabbis/pharisees were turned into the dominant power inside Judaism. This happened due to the destruction of the second temple which also destroyed the jewish clergy caste.
The Rabbis invented some shit called the oral law which allowed the jews to circumvent most of their traditions and this turned the hillbilly into the happy merchant. Jesus also happened in the meantime.

 

[Life of the Party]

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/imperator-dev-diary-2019-16-12.1297665/

 

[Agesilaus]

What unholy dating system goes "year - day - month"? That is even more ridiculous than filling the peloponnese with jews

 

[Wilian]

Seems like after downloading this during the free weekend event I can just now turn my Steam into Offline mode, launch the game via exe and it works fine without buying. Thanks for free game I guess?

 

[SecondAmendment]

I've been playing this over the holidays. I'm pleasantly surprised. It looks really good, but I can see inevitable DLC making it better. The bare bones systems for the Republic work, but it is confusing to understand any character interactions compared with CK2. The missions give a good feel for historical objectives.

I cant really understand the pop system, or how to keep my populace fed. There's all sorts of buttons to push to spend your mana. They actually make sense, but the mana being used for just about everything gets old. I tried to use client states but they take ages to integrate and forever to get over you force-vassalizing them. Better to just conquer. That's a disappointment, and I wish there were kingdoms being willed and more dynastic politics. I saw a notification that I could mess with Makedon's dynastic struggle but couldn't figure out how to do so.

I do hope this game keeps getting support because amazingly enough it shows real potential.

 

[Mortmal]

I've been playing this over the holidays. I'm pleasantly surprised. It looks really good, but I can see inevitable DLC making it better. The bare bones systems for the Republic work, but it is confusing to understand any character interactions compared with CK2. The missions give a good feel for historical objectives.

I cant really understand the pop system, or how to keep my populace fed. There's all sorts of buttons to push to spend your mana. They actually make sense, but the mana being used for just about everything gets old. I tried to use client states but they take ages to integrate and forever to get over you force-vassalizing them. Better to just conquer. That's a disappointment, and I wish there were kingdoms being willed and more dynastic politics. I saw a notification that I could mess with Makedon's dynastic struggle but couldn't figure out how to do so.

I do hope this game keeps getting support because amazingly enough it shows real potential.

Pop system is quite simple, there's 3 strata Citizen, freemen and slaves and each of them have culture+religion.For an optimal empire you want everyone from the same culture and religion, thats why you build theatres for culture and temples for religion . Go for culture first religion gives minor satisfaction penalty.You build aqueducts to attract pops in well built and specialized cities, one for integration, one for research and so on . Apply governor policy crushing repression ,raze cities in provinces with diversity ...How to keep them fed ? If a province does not produce enough food (surplus every 15 pops of slaves) then import it from a trade route, if you dont have some, create a trade route with political mana then import all the food needed.
The game is indeed a lot better since release, this is how it should have been day one.

 

[Life of the Party]

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...rator-dev-diary-1-13-2020-the-future.1307887/

 

[Chaosdwarft]

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...rator-dev-diary-1-13-2020-the-future.1307887/

Looks like they are going in the right direction.

 

[JarlFrank]

Don't know about current version, but on release, jews were an ethnic majority on the northern coast of Black Sea. I honestly don't know what the fuck this is supposed to be. And there's so damn many of them too - they're made out to be super numerous and ever present.

Time travelling Khazars.

 

[Life of the Party]

It's a Bronze Age mod.

 

[Curious_Tongue]

There were major populations of Jews in northern Black Sea area, how do you think Khazars got converted? They were (((traders))) trading on the important routes there.

I thought they escaped to the Black Sea colonies after the Romans came down on them.

 

[Life of the Party]

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...velopment-diary-20th-of-january-2020.1311476/

 

[SecondAmendment]

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...velopment-diary-20th-of-january-2020.1311476/

This update seems pretty weak. Religious pantheon dont matter that much and a boring gameplay element. It seems low effort content released just to have something to release. What would be a great update is to make all those character ambitions and interactions matter at all.

Also, why the fuck does the ledger keep resetting my sort order every fucking time I open it? But, hey, you can change which aspect of Mars your state patronizes!

 

[Fedora Master]

Differentiating religions should have been obvious from the start. The fact that they originally thought they could get away with all religions working the same way says a lot about their design philosophy.

 

[Life of the Party]

 

[thesecret1]

Did they make the game less shit yet? Gave it some flavour, depth, and fixed the AI?

 

[catfood]

I played it a couple of months ago when it had a free weekend and the game was just as boring and soulless as it was before.

 

[Fedora Master]

Did they make the game less shit yet? Gave it some flavour, depth, and fixed the AI?

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

I really hope that the rightmost button stands for "Gains".