Grand Strategy Imperator: Rome - the new grand strategy from Paradox

[Sergiu64]

Going to try the game again at some point. I really-really love the time period.

 

[zapotec]

Imbo better field of glory empires

 

[Mortmal]

Imperator has overtaken Vicky 2 for most active users!!!!

Closest thing you will have to a vicky 3 i am afraid.

 

[AgentFransis]

Imperator has overtaken Vicky 2 for most active users!!!!

Closest thing you will have to a vicky 3 i am afraid.

Thank fuck for that. Do you really want to see factory mana?

 

[Mortmal]

Imperator has overtaken Vicky 2 for most active users!!!!

Closest thing you will have to a vicky 3 i am afraid.

Thank fuck for that. Do you really want to see factory mana?

No , i want to see distant world 2 now..Or any indie out of nowhere that will blow away the competition. I am not expecting much from any new paradox game.

 

[didntdemon]

After the dumpster fire of the initial release and years of patch later, how how's the game right now? Is it good for 10 hours of fun?

Or is it better to sit out for another 2 years

 

[Fedora Master]

After the dumpster fire of the initial release and years of patch later, how how's the game right now? Is it good for 10 hours of fun?

Or is it better to sit out for another 2 years

You can have some fun with the established nations. Tribes are shit and worse off than at launch. Character interactions still don't matter.

 

[Fedora Master]

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...-of-this-generation-of-paradox-games.1455417/

 

[Fedora Master]

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/dev-team-2-0-2-patch-released-checksum-100c.1461030/

New patch. Let's see:

Spoiler

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# Gamebalance
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# Economy

• Fort maintenance reduced to 0.4
• Foundries no longer grant any local start experience; population output modifier replaced by 25% tax and research points modifiers
• Population Capacity modifier from Desert terrain type adjusted to -25% from -30%
• Population Capacity and Pop Growth from Great Wonders modifiers reduced by roughly 25%
• Build Cost modifier from Stone surplus in capital reduced to -5% from -10%
• Build Cost modifier from ruler finesse reduced to -1% per point
• Several sources of build cost in invention trees reduced to -2.5% from -5%
• Standardized Construction national idea now reduces build cost by 10%, but reduces build time by 25%

# Governments

• Satellite Status now increases max mercenary stacks by 1 in addition to current modifiers

# Religion

• Stability cost increase per stack of stabbed pig is now 100% from 65%

# Units

• Mercenaries and Pirates no longer have a lump-sum payoff cost. Legion subunit payoff cost is now 50% higher
• Most sources of reduced mercenary maintenance cost modifier have been reduced in magnitude by between 25-50%
• Maximum mercenary stacks are now capped. This value can be increased by rank, and from inventions
• Auxiliary Recruitment invention in the religious tree is now a keystone and grants 5% manpower, 2% levy size multiplier, and 1 max mercenary stack
• Professional Sailors invention in the naval sub-tree now increases max mercenary stacks by 1
• Mercenary Reliance modifier is now a keystone invention, increasing max merc stacks by 2, reducing merc maintenance by 5%, but reducing global manpower by 20%
• Light Infantry now take slightly reduced morale damage, and deal marginally more damage to heavy infantry and war elephants
• Light infantry plains combat bonus added to Celtic Britannic tradition path
• Archers now have 2 maneuver, and take 30% more morale damage (from 25)
• Take Up Arms now grants -15% Archers cost, from -10%

# War & Peace

• High AE threshold now infers a penalty on increase stability cost, at 1.5% per point
• Warscore cost for defender and attacker in independence wars is now half of base
• Levies now grant 25% less military experience when disbanded
• Levies will start contributing to war exhaustion after 6 months raised. Levies now need to be raised for at least 8 months in order to contribute to military experience gain
• Most sources of cohort starting experience reduced
• Military Experience gain from War Exhaustion reduced by 50%

# Other

• Growing Up ambition has a slightly increased chance of generating additional attribute points
• Mauryas become less aggressive once the initial members of the ruling dynasty have perished
• Carthaginian heritage now increases max mercenary stacks by 1
• Legion commanders are now counted toward family jobs
• Isolated province modifier has been removed [The AI no longer conquers in a way that makes this an efficient solution]

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# Interface
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# Country

• Government View in republics now shows an icon for the ruler and co-ruler's faction
• Benefits of staffed Offices are now displayed even when the position is empty and candidates can now be sorted by stats
• Nation province overview can now be sorted by integrated pops and religious unity
• National cohort count removed from ledger

# Icons/Art

• Character portrait family color corner indicators made clearer
• Changed color of minimap viewport quadrangle from white to black

# Mapmodes

• Great Wonders are now displayed in atlas map mode, provided other conditions are not fulfilled. Capital City widget is now centered at the location of the city, and will not appear to move as you zoom out
• Added shortcut to Levies Mapmode in military view

# Tooltips

• Macro builder modification display now shows result values for % modifiers rather than change. 3 values are now displayed, from 2. Several new result value categories added, which should make it somewhat easier to see the effect of constructing some buildings.
• Added a tooltip for character titles in the character tooltip, indicating the effects of possessing that title

# Tutorial

• Tutorial objective tooltips now have icons in them that match the sidebar UIs, to aid players in finding the right ones
• Tutorial icons for completed objectives updated to match new UI style

# Other

• Can now drag Technology view and Missions view using both left and middle mouse button
• Reintroduced Territory List in the Province view, displaying rank, population, and trade goods of all Territories in the Area
• Reworked Trade import view, which now displays number of currently possible sources for each trade good and quickly shows which countries will export and why
• Added masking for character health values, with several steps, e.g. Ailing
• Decisions alert toggle repositioned to move it out of the way of the decision's nested tooltip
• The alert bar now potentially extends to the outliner - while rare to have this many, it is possible and they will now be clickable
• Ongoing combat view on map improved: no longer prevented from 'clicking through' to the map by an invisible square, General’s portraits no longer create tooltips, clicking either of the unit number cards will now select and cycle through any of your own armies present in the combat (you no longer have to drag select to be able to retreat)
• Trade offers rejected from offers sent by automatic trade will now no longer send a player pop-up
• Culture view sort elements are now fully clickable

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# AI
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# Economy

• AI is more keen to build during wars
• AI will build more temples and grand theaters, if they have researched the correct invention

# War

• AI vassals more likely to attach to overlord units

# Other

• Reduced magnitude of AI rebellion offset
• AI should be more likely to construct the Colossus of Rhodes shortly after the game begins
• AI Rome should now be somewhat less likely to target Dictatorship. Dictatorship inventions now have AI weights for all republics, not just Rome

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# Usermodding
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# Triggers

• Add triggers for checking that unit builds roads

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# Script
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# Events

• Political Influence Price for preparing the recurrent Ptolemia reduced to 25 from 50

# Missions

• Missions are no longer available in the tutorial

# Other

• Several concepts now have menu icons to make navigation easier

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# Bugfixes
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# Code

• Fixed single-governorship legions not moving region when a new capital is selected
• Linux, Mac no longer gets stuck in single-unit recruitment to levies
• Fixed disloyal commander taking foreign provinces they are stationed in when starting a revolt
• Fixed treasures being deleted on diplomatic annexation - they are now inherited by overlord
• Fixed crash when hovering over Call to Arms diplomatic interaction
• Fixed rare case where some civil wars would exist for all eternity, blocking declaration of new wars
• Fixed being able to edit foreign Great Wonders when their construction was halted
• Female characters can now be civil war leaders if the country has gender equality
• Fixed civil war end causing white peace for all parties in the war
• Naval range now updates when building/destroying a port
• Legion distinctions now apply properly
• Mercenaries can now be disbanded again even after they get cohorts from events
• Holy sites now can be colonized
• Pops can now be moved freely from/to holy sites
• Allow retreat units move back when they lost a battle
• Levy stacks controlled by clan chiefs are created with food supplies
• Players can no longer cancel other nations building buildings

# Script

• Fixed lvl 4 Military Training Traditions on GW to be 10% instead of 1%
• Fixed cases where scripted legions would be assigned rulers as commanders
• Tweaked A Plea for Asylum event target country weights
• Fixed Co-Rulers complaining about being unemployed if they asked for a job before their term began
• Fixed Eastern Capital: Price of Victory event firing multiple times for the Antigonids
• Fixed incorrect calculation of inheritance cash and rulers not passing it to their children
• Fixed some triggers inconsistently referring to Provinces as States
• Family Politics event will no longer fire if parties already have less than 10 approval
• Fixed Antigonid Cause Wavers event firing multiple times
• Fixed Argead Unification not renaming the country if the ruler was an Argead
• Fixed League of Korinthos mission tasks deleting treasures of annexed subjects, causing issues with anthology treasures
• Fixed claim rewards not being given in the Macedonian Adriatic mission tree
• Fixed fallback Pleistarchus character in Macedonian Caria event being the current ruler
• Fixed forming Mithridatic Pontus by events not unlocking the Ktistes achievement
• Forming Pontus now gives claims on Cappadocia Pontica region, and the events that do the same now also give the claims the decision gives
• Pontic decisions can now be taken however it was formed
• Fixed highlighting slowdowns in League of Korinthos mission tasks
• Fixed missing cooldown on aborting Hellenistic Empire mission
• Fixed missing tooltip in the ping events of Encourage Greek Colonists
• Fixed parties forcing construction of buildings in territories with construction already queued
• Fixed cases where no missions would be available despite not owning most of a capital or neighbouring region
• Fixed some broken release subject tooltips
• Fixed the family in generic Greek missions breaking sometimes
• Hid party impact tooltips when not a republic for some character interactions
• Library building tooltip now correctly displays Research change
• Relaxed conditions for Gazophylax This! achievement to make it more easily achievable, task now works if any former Antigonid ruler is imprisoned
• Simplified requirements tooltip of Port Markets task in generic infra mission
• Fixed the land tithe invention giving you local speed instead of global
• Removed superfluous loc in the Zeus Belos description
• Removed unnecessary bypass in the 'Amphipolian Goods' mission task (Athenian mission)
• Stopped the easter egg Stonehenge events from happening randomly
• Civil war annexation no longer casts treasures into the void, and instead correctly transfers them to the winner of the civil war
• Prevented the 'Demands Office' event from firing for corulers and tribunes
• Removed unnecessary extra law category that caused two versions of the same law to be applied for monarchies. This should result in a drop in freeman happiness, as well as the ability to correctly start with the nominate heir law selected
• Local Building Slots modifier has been renamed to Local City Building Slots to match the global version
• Fixed numerous literally unplayable typos in mission, treasure, and event loc

# Setup

• Fixed holy site of Demeter in Eleusis
• Made sure that the tech 1 nations start with correct amount of innovations

# UI

• Fixed Siege Engineers icon in the siege window
• Fixed on-map Ship construction progressbar to match new UI
• Fixed alignment of some icons and UI elements
• Fixed lists where teal background clashed with icons or colored text
• You can once again click to drag the macro builder scrollbar
• Macro Builder province modification tooltip hitbox adjusted to be easier to mouse-over
• Fixed redundant empty paragraphs in law tooltips
• Cohort loyalty gain chance is now correctly displayed when in combat
• Enact Holy Site button no longer has a false positive enabled state
• Tweaked country flag in ProvinceWindow to correctly intercept user clicks
• Improved building info tooltip
• Tooltip lock indicator bar tweaked to be less intrusive before the tooltip is locked
• Improved responsiveness of locked tooltips, and prevented being able to click through tooltips in many cases
• Tweaked many instances of tooltip and text elision to improve look and feel of UI
• Now shows all pop assimilation modifiers in the appropriate tooltip
• Pantheon deities can be changed properly again
• Great Wonders can be destroyed now, you monster
• Battles indicators with barbarians and Rebels are now visible

# Multiplayer

• Server side connectivity improvements
• Fixed OOS caused by playing multiplayer in different languages
• Fixed OOS caused by legions
• Players are no longer removed from Player Countries list after leaving a game
• You now enter a lobby again when hosting Multiplayer savegame
• Linux, Mac users can now play alongside Windows users without encountering server errors

# Other

• Fixed Heirs of Alexander music tracks not playing

Verdict: SOME okay changes but nothing major. Tribes still can't merge levies. AI still too stable.

 

[Multi-headed Cow]

Been playing this since I need to genocide some Germans and culturally enrich people with rape. S'ok. Probably for the best I waited to try it until after the 2.0 patch since even after the 2.0 patch I'm scratching my head a little bit and feeling conflicted since it doesn't lend itself to LARP very well and the map painting doesn't feel quite as smooth as EU or Stellaris, but I'm still enjoying it. It's possible I'll dig it more once I have a better understanding of it, for example I have no goddamn idea why I should give two shits about individual character wealth or family prestige since I'm a country-spirit like EU rather than a dynasty like CK. I assume the general idea is to play the families off one another to keep power level parity so someone's less likely to get rowdy and start a civil war, but that's my best guess. Even if there is a civil war I'm not sure it's that important to me as a player since I assume the country-spirit lives on even if the ruler changes. The military and combat also feels a bit weird, the combat part doesn't feel as good as CK3 (Not as rock-paper-scissors so it feels more like Paradox standard of big numbers and morale) but the military in general is neat, I do like how raising levies has a negative impact on your research and shit but having legions doesn't, but they're more costly to keep around. I might've rushed to get a legion faster than was really necessary, but eh.

Glad it was cheap in a bundle and I don't really see it having the staying power for me of other Paradox games, but it's been fun being a Romaboo.

 

[Multi-headed Cow]

Sacked Carthage and learned the greatest enemy of Rome isn't barbarians, it's having a million forts in your territory because you conquer a bunch of small tribes and then go over your fort limit and the game helpfully only mentions this if you click on a territory, click the building menu, and then mouse over forts and inspect the tooltip. Would've been handy to have an alert pop up like going over your demesne limit in CK. Was a hell of a war, though. Lost half my legion due to learning the hard way I couldn't move my units in Carthage until I had taken some territory, and shored the rest of my legion up with mercenaries and ran out the clock to 20 coins left in the bank and losing 8 a month when the warscore finally ticked high enough to claim Carthage. The legate got a grass crown for a great victory but unfortunately he was nailed and killed by the Carthaginians before the war came to an end so I couldn't hold a triumph for him once all was said and done. Guess next achievement/goal will be mare nostrum. Should be doable so long as I just keep conquering coastline, think I've got around 200 years left on the clock.

 

[Average Manatee]

Sacked Carthage and learned the greatest enemy of Rome isn't barbarians, it's having a million forts in your territory because you conquer a bunch of small tribes and then go over your fort limit and the game helpfully only mentions this if you click on a territory, click the building menu, and then mouse over forts and inspect the tooltip.

I don't get what fort limit does. It's not like you pay less for having the forts, only the cap fort is free. It seems like the intent is to let you have 1 fort per province but that just doesn't work, the cost is way too high

 

[Multi-headed Cow]

Sacked Carthage and learned the greatest enemy of Rome isn't barbarians, it's having a million forts in your territory because you conquer a bunch of small tribes and then go over your fort limit and the game helpfully only mentions this if you click on a territory, click the building menu, and then mouse over forts and inspect the tooltip.

I don't get what fort limit does. It's not like you pay less for having the forts, only the cap fort is free. It seems like the intent is to let you have 1 fort per province but that just doesn't work, the cost is way too high

I assume it's so you don't just carpet your entire country in forts, since each fort needs to be sieged and conquered and it partially covers every adjacent territory. You can insta-siege a non-fort territory but then it just pops back if it's under the influence of a fort. If you didn't have maintenance bullshit then you could make your land so fucking miserable to attack that anyone who even tried would move at a glacial pace. Which is all fine and dandy, I just wish they made it clearer when a province was over that cap since it's easy to go over as you're conquering shit. And yeah, it is a bit odd. It seems like building a fort somewhere counts as 3 points of the 5 point cap for a province, but additional levels of fort are only +1. So you can plop down a level 3 fort without going over, but two level 1 forts will put you slightly over. Been so long since I played EU4 I don't remember how it worked there, I remember forts being a bit fucky but I don't remember the specifics now since it's been years.

 

[Multi-headed Cow]

Fucking hell, mare nostrum's going well except for colonies. There are a few dinky territories that I can't conquer and trying to colonize them is a giant pain in the ass. Some bumfuck desert on the coast of Africa is all well and good except I need to try to build up happy Roman territory nearby to spread pops out there, and inexplicably I have 3 territories on a 4 territory island that need colonizing and rather than being based on the single large city in the 4th and final territory, they're based on shit from the mainland and an even smaller island. Other than cursing useless colonies and trying to figure out how that shit works, the constant war's been fun. Thrace and Egypt allied and I had my biggest rumble yet, had to keep my forces fairly tight since my first trip into Egypt left me with a dead legion after they got zerg-rushed at Alexandria, but once I kept everyone near enough for support I ended up losing around 39,000 and killing 167,000 and sacking Alexandria for revenge. Revenge and money to keep the rape train rolling.

Biggest regrets are spending around 1,500 ducats on some fucking nerd to write a poem, and 2,000+ ducats on making a giant salt shaker in Carthage as a great wonder. The poem was completely useless, the great wonder gives some cool bonuses but it would've been much better to hang on to the money for armies and building up key territories. Live and learn though.

 

[Silva]

How is this Bronze Age Mod? I'm considering getting Imperator just for it, as I'm a bitch for Troy and Achilles and shit.

Will I regret it?

 

[IDtenT]

How is this Bronze Age Mod? I'm considering getting Imperator just for it, as I'm a bitch for Troy and Achilles and shit.

Will I regret it?

Development moved to CKIII.

 

[Silva]

Development moved to CKIII.

Wait wut? Is the mod abandoned on Imperator then and wont follow new game updates and such??

 

[IDtenT]

Development moved to CKIII.

Wait wut? Is the mod abandoned on Imperator then and wont follow new game updates and such??

Yes.

 

[Theodora]

After the dumpster fire of the initial release and years of patch later, how how's the game right now? Is it good for 10 hours of fun?

Any of the recommended nations are easily worth playing (so essentially any of the Greek city states, the Diadochi, Carthage, or Rome), though you probably wanna make sure you have access to the relevant DLC (there's only three, really, and one is free).

Yes.

Yeah, this sucks. IR is geared towards being a 'civilisation builder' and that's exact what you want in the bronze age. :/ I really liked a lot of the homegrown mechanics the IR version had; and it's pretty annoying that someone in marketing stupidly enough thought that CK3 needed mods on launch enough to sabotage one of the better things Imperator had going for it prior to the Marius patch.

 

[Multi-headed Cow]

Woop. Didn't expect I'd be able to make it given it was my first time playing the game and I didn't even start shooting for it until I was well into the campaign already, but made it at 77BC.
Thrace and Egypt continued to be a pain all the way to the end, Thrace even going so far as to ally with the Seleucids as well. Fortunately Egypt was only allied with Thrace, so if I declared on Egypt the Seleucids wouldn't get pulled in too. Possible final goal in the time remaining will be to make a banzai run into Thracian territory and conquer their new capital so I can get my fucking eagles back, since they ganked a legion decades ago and even though I sieged the city down you apparently don't get the eagles unless you keep the city which is a bummer. Especially since I sent my biggest legion charging deep into their land to siege the fucker specifically to GET the eagles back.

 

[Silva]

I'm finding the game pretty good, and what I always hoped EU4 would be: a gameplay with some proper meat besides the map painting.

Now we just need a big update on tribes and maybe on trading. And then the kind of superfluous but admitedly fun stuff like chains of events and fantasy shit that give these game longevity and replayability (like an Aztecs pack hehe).


P.S: about Bronze Age mod, I have hope the devs will come back to Imperator one day, specially if the game continues to get improved by Pdox.

 

[Fedora Master]

Fixing the retarded STRONK WAHMEN in Iberia/Britain.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2403147958
Fixing the retarded loyalty bonus so big AI blobs can actually collapse.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2412911176&searchtext=
Fixing the retarded shit like Scythia being seafarers and some military traditions.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2414884066

 

[Silva]

I'm in the final stages of a Massilian merchant campaign and Rome and Carthage are finally knocking on my doors, and I recommend it to folks who want to play tall (to a degree) and as something different than Rome. As a merchant power you'll want to get key port towns in the Mediterranean rather than expand by conquest, and Massilia quest-trees are all about this.

I can't understand how someone can go back to EU4 after playing Inperator 2.0. The exception being if one plays to create fantasy clown-worlds.

 

[Theodora]

I can't understand how someone can go back to EU4 after playing Inperator 2.0. The exception being if one plays to create fantasy clown-worlds.

It's funny you should say this in conjunction with talking about playing tall, since — successfully or not — 1.31 / Leviathan is an attempt to make playing tall more meaningful. So at least they're aware of the issue?

 

[Fedora Master]

PDX fans have so gotten used to the taste of shit they are starting to distinguish between different flavors of feces.