1eyedking Japanese games are shit. Here's why.

[laclongquan]

The real question everybody should be asking themselves is, are there Japanese counterparts to the great western classics?

That is just asking for hurt, bro. because FF7 and FF8 set the tone of the entire RPG genre, both western and jap. Kinda like Baldur's Gate series, but more successful.

In other genres Black Cat did do the bashing well, so spare me the repetition.

Anyway, is it just me or Ed123 is an alt of someone we all are very familiar. Normally I wouldnt think so but his style in this thread remind me strongly of some bastard here. The name is just escape me at the moment but his style of ignoring coherent points and blindly take in other people's argument as support for his (even th ough they do the opposite) is very familiar. Who was it? Damn my memory.

 

[treave]

Ah, Hellnight, thanks for reminding me on that one BC.

It's got quite a lot of mechanics that Codexers should like. Never did manage to finish that one though, I should go find a copy to emulate...

 

[Zomg]

Sorry, no, One Must Fall 2097 is apparently the best fighting game ever, and it's Western.

nope

I dunno how to convince someone that a self-conscious SFII knockoff that was sold on RPG elements isn't the greatest fighter ever however, and I'm kinda assuming you're kidding

This coming from someone that actually bought the full version from the shareware when it was new, and it might have been the first fighter I ever put more than 30 minutes into

 

[Lyric Suite]

Seriously? The viking chick in full body armor "screams faggotry" at you?

That's not a viking chick. That's a Japanese school girl sighing submissively, wearing some fantastically designed apparel that has no historical connotation. It has all the elements that make wapanese art gay, such as excessive brilliance juxtaposed over the most childish, cutesy shit.

 

[Zeus]

That's not a viking chick. That's a Japanese girl with a cutsie, submissive look wearing a fantastically designed that has no historical connotation. It has all the elements that make wapanese art gay.

You're avoiding the question.

Which one of the following images, in your own words, "screams faggotry"?

A) The aforementioned viking woman in full body armor.
B) The old bearded man in a woman's dress with a, "I hope no one realizes I'm not wearing anything under here!" look on his face.
C) The big shirtless spread eagle bald guy wearing a leather miniskirt.

 

[Lyric Suite]

I hit submit by mistake. I was in the process of typing that. See my final post.

 

[Lyric Suite]

You're avoiding the question.

There is no question. You are trying too hard.

 

[Zeus]

There is no question.

Gosh, maybe he doesn't know what a question mark looks like.

Should I link to wikipedia, or notify his parents that he's been skipping school?

 

[bert]

1. How the fuck did SH2/Siren influence the genre any more than earlier Survival Horror?

rape

2. None of these games introduced - or so perfectly refined if you so choose - gameplay mechanics like Lyric Suite's list did (again excluding AC).

rape

I guess Serious Sam is comparable to Doom then.

rape

I want to make love to you Black Cat. Nyaaa~~~~~~ <3

There's no need to argue about art direction when it is clear that Western art, by virtue of being able to draw upon the histories of Europe, will always be far richer than any weird anime shit the Japanese have to offer. I mean, those slanty-eyed buggers can't even draw human faces realistically. Just look at this.



Anime shit.

Japanese art is just because it wasn't drawn in the same way as Western art? Did you expect the same art style from people born and raised in a completely different culture?

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From top to bottom:

Big hat

Faggot hair

Ninja

Big hat

Ninja

WH40k RIP OFF

Faggot hair

WH40k RIP OFF

JAPANESE-LOOKING YOUNG GIRLS

Yeah, real original and distinctive there, pal.

Samus Aran, WH40k RIP OFF?

Troll fo' sho.

 

[Black Cat]

Samus Aran, WH40k RIP OFF?

WTF, indeed. Metroid is from '86. Warhammer 40k is from '87. Time Paradox, activate! Also, the design has really nothing in common.

Not to mention it was Warhammer 40k the one ripping anime Mecha design (Tau Empire, LOL) and not the other way around. The japanese don't really seem to like a lot the walking soup cans with guns school of mecha design.

 

[Felix]

Big hat

Yes, people know more about that big hat guy than the whole codex's favourites combined

Faggot hair

Still better than gay space marines

Ninja

yes but with stealth

Big hat

Helmet bro, the antler helmet and Tonbogiri is from history.

Ninja

In name only

WH40k RIP OFF

lolno, and he use his arms

Faggot hair

you're just jealous

WH40k RIP OFF

JAPANESE-LOOKING YOUNG GIRLS

in a horror game and it works

Yeah, real original and distinctive there, pal.

Yes, as far as I concern, good thing we agree with each other.

 

[Zomg]

You could have gone for the grognard nuts there and made fun of Battletech instead of WH40k.

 

[roll-a-die]

I want you to fulfill a ridiculously huge request that's likely to be dismissed with a "lolno" anyway. Then, and only, i will concede to any merit

That's not how it works, LS

No, that IS how its supposed to work. Random list of good western games:

Monkey Island
Fallout
System Shock
Elite
Alpha Centauri

Japanase games which compare in quality and general greatness with the above:

[fill in blanks]

Go.

With a western game fan bias or with a eastern game fan bias?

With an eastern game fan bias.

Super Mario 64
SMT: Nocturne
Metroid
Pokemon R/B
Gran Turismo 3
FF7
MGS2 SOL
SSBB
SMB3
Dragon Quest 7
Zelda
Persona 4

 

[1eyedking]

You know what really sucks about anime? The over-accessorized characters. And it's not like these accessories serve any purpose whatsoever, no, no - they're just a fashion statement.

Completely and utterly kills suspension of disbelief. Which in turn instantly kills any artistic possibility.

Writing a dozen paragraphs consisting of "shitsux" isn't any more elite than saying the same thing on an one-liner, you know

If you were gonna present those as "reasons", you could just have posted

and be done with it.

I mean, look at that smug motherfucker, tell me you don't wanna jump at him and twist his neck mid-sentence

Holy shit I just read that.



Much love bro.

Jesus, it's like setting fire to an ant-hill.

Also, this.

 

[MasterSmithFandango]

I wonder why so many of the people on the Codex so blindly hate Jap games while simultaneously bitching about no good RPG came out since Arcanum. Look, my favorite games came from the west, but that's because my favorite genres are more represented in the west. There are quality genres that the east does better than anyone in the west, namely fighting games and platformers. They've made some decent rpgs and decent action adventures, blah blah blah, but my favorite games are strategy games and RPGs, which the west did far better than the east. But acting like nothing good came from the East while having an AP avatar makes you a fag of the highest caliber.

 

[Multi-headed Cow]

Dead Rising is the only good thing to come from Japan.

 

[roll-a-die]

You know what really sucks about anime? The over-accessorized characters. And it's not like these accessories serve any purpose whatsoever, no, no - they're just a fashion statement.

Er, what?

Let's take a look at the 3 most popular anime characters as ranked by anime source, First off we have Haruhi Suzimaya,

Who wear's an actual Japanese school girl outfit.

Next we have the main char of GTO, who's name I can't even pronounce much less spell.

Let's see wife beater and jean's and neck laces, seems normal to me. More normal than the people I see walk down the street in LA everyday at least.

Finally we have Kenshin of Rouroni Kenshin, who wear's historically accurate dress,

Completely and utterly kills suspension of disbelief. Which in turn instantly kills any artistic possibility.

I agree with this issue, but only in the context where it is relevant, EG Final Fantasy, not in the hyperbolic sense you put it in.

 

[Felix]

Vagabond >>>>>>>>>>> Kenshin, just throw it out there.

 

[deuxhero]

The World Ends With You, for all its faults, at least made the over accessorized designs make sense, as it takes place in a fashion crazy city, with some of the major characters, who are the ones with the stranger tastes in clothes, implied to be behind some of the bigger labels (I am told the actual place the setting is based on is just as fashion crazy as the game makes it out to be, if not more).

 

[roll-a-die]

Vagabond >>>>>>>>>>> Kenshin, just throw it out there.

I know I was just using the three most popular anime characters as voted for by like 3000 people. I woulda posted Vagabond, but really, Kenshin is far more well known, thanks to fantastically popular runs on CN.

 

[deuxhero]

Also, the bizarre designs are pretty much just Nomura, ZUN (and only for crazy powerful magic beings, the humans and other characters on the low end of the scale getting more plausible outfits) and the artists for intentionally silly works as far as I know. Guys like Kaneko and Sugimori draw pretty normal characters.

 

[zeitgeist]

In Japan, Gamemakers Struggle to Instill Taste for Western Shooters

Many other games at Tokyo Game Show, Japan’s biggest videogame expo, are developed here with an eye on the Western market. Most are shooters, a genre that dominates the U.S. charts but is not popular here. It’s all an attempt to reach a broader audience with next-generation games, something that Japan hasn’t been able to do yet.

“The classic, traditional Japanese formula is not a moneymaker anymore unless you have “Monster Hunter,” “Dragon Quest” or “Final Fantasy” in your game title,” says James Mielke, a game producer at Tokyo-based Q Entertainment. “It’s a real risk for a developer to make a game that’s designed specifically for (Japan). That’s not a safe strategy.”

 

[Black Cat]

The World Ends With You, for all its faults, at least made the over accessorized designs make sense, as it takes place in a fashion crazy city, with some of the major characters, who are the ones with the stranger tastes in clothes, implied to be behind some of the bigger labels (I am told the actual place the setting is based on is just as fashion crazy as the game makes it out to be, if not more).

You mean Shibuya? The concept in The World Ends With You is correct, Shibuya being both the center of fashion, nightlife, and IN behaviour and 'tude for Tokyo's youth. And, to be honest, the characters don't wear nothing too weird.

They look like most people I know, only stylized and romantized and made cool, which is kind of unsurprising in a game targeted to such a demographic.

The game also makes fun of the most exotic RPG designs, such as the over abundance of zippers and belts, given some of the characters are actually pure breed Shibuya fashion slaves.

It's actually pretty cool, but then everything about that game is cool.

Devil Survivor's character and fashion design is also mostly real world approved if we leave Naoya, who is suposed to be a weird loner, Midori, who was cosplaying when everything began, and Amane, who is dressed in her demonic cultist maiden atire, aside.

Unless MP3 players and headphones became over accesorising when i wasn't looking it is pretty clean and normal, the kind of thing you see on the street every other day.

A pretty normal bunch, if cool looking too.

But then most people on this thread believes JRPG = Final Fantasy, so i don't really expect them to know of Devil Survivor, much less of The World Ends With You or the new crop of IN JRPGs.

Also,

You know what really sucks about anime? The over-accessorized characters. And it's not like these accessories serve any purpose whatsoever, no, no - they're just a fashion statement.

First, what roll-a-die said. Then, do you mean they are just like most accesories worn in real life? Well, i never...

 

[Felix]

I still hate the big alien eyes, nonexistent noses and stupid hair colors, I blame Disney.

 

[Black Cat]

Noses are for the weak.

And most of my friends have stupid hair colors (some even have stupid contact lenses colors) so i can't really say anything on that without feeling one hundred percent hypocrite.