Game News Josh Sawyer's long-awaited historical RPG is called Pentiment, coming next year

[Viata]

And this is why we can't have anything good

But PoE is not good.

 

[Tyranicon]

Imagine thinking there's enough good Tolkien-like cRPGs.

I can't even think of one. There's plenty of generic medieval high fantasy settings, but none crafted with the care and thought that would elevate them to "Tolkien-like".

 

[Xunwael]

Imagine thinking there's enough good Tolkien-like cRPGs.

I can't even think of one. There's plenty of generic medieval high fantasy settings, but none crafted with the care and thought that would elevate them to "Tolkien-like".

PoE isn't even bad-"tolkien-like", it's closer to bad anti-tolkien.

 

[Nazrim Eldrak]

What is a

Tolkien-like cRPGs

?

 

[Dr Schultz]

Imagine thinking there's enough good Tolkien-like cRPGs.

I can't even think of one. There's plenty of generic medieval high fantasy settings, but none crafted with the care and thought that would elevate them to "Tolkien-like".

It's almost impossible to find a fantasy or a sci-fi novel crafted with the care and thought of Lord of the rings (Dune is the only name that comes to my mind), let alone a CRPG.

Having said that, I'd find immensely boring to roleplay a character in Middle-Earth or in a similar setting, even if masterfully crafted. Settings with gray morality are more interesting on a roleplaying prospective.

On the other hand, an action-avdeventure set in Middle-Earth that takes cue from the last Zelda would be my wet-dream.

 

[Viata]

I want CRPGs that takes place in cool settings. You don't even need to invent any, just make it takes place in Egypt, Babylonian, whatever. Stop reading only medieval history books, niggers.

 

[Crescent Hawk]

Okay so its just another visual novel like Elysium? Kinda disappointed but okay might be good for a single run , I wanted josh to redeem himself form the fucking garbage that Eora is.

 

[Xunwael]

Having said that, I'd find immensely boring to roleplay a character in Middle-Earth or in a similar setting, even if masterfully crafted. Settings with gray morality are more interesting on a roleplaying prospective.

Reminds me of that "women in marvel" panel where they do nothing but head adoration on villain characters while condemning heroes for being "boring".

Personally, in lieu of "grey morality", I prefer the term "amoral". "Nihilistic", "cynical", "postmodern", and, of course, a classic, "evil" also work. I believe "globohomo" is another synonym as well, although it isn't listed as such on thesaurus.com. It's all the same shit anyway.

Which, incidentally, was Tolkien's opinion, wasn't it? How in his letters he wrote about playing with the idea of a story set 100 years after the LoTR and his conclusion was that it was miserable, pointless, and "not worth doing". Another good synonym for "grey morality": "Something miserable, pointless, and not worth engaging with." Sums up PoE perfectly, come to think of it. And if Josh really (stunningly, to me) doesn't understand why Deadfire did so poorly, then this project of his dedicated to the watching of paint drying taken to its logical extreme will probably not be worth engaging with either.

 

[mediocrepoet]

Considering how much Josh can talk about medieval weaponry and how much experience he has with designing combat systems, it is kinda disappointing that this will have no combat.

You'd think with all that experience, he'd trip over a good one at some point. Guy should've just stuck with iterations of D&D instead of trying to reinvent the wheel by distilling the essence of "fun" like some deranged caricature of irony. Leaving combat behind may be the best thing he's done to date. Now just to leave the rest of game design behind as well and start a new career as an actuary or something that better suits his nature.

 

[vortex]

Something the codex will never accept because they love lolsoquirky non-standard settings:
Dumpsterfire failed because of the setting.

If it was standard fantasy it would have done well

Wrong. Deadfire had good setting but failed because of the story, characters and somewhat bad pacing for the first 2 hours of the game. IMO.

Imagine thinking there's enough good Tolkien-like cRPGs.

It never was. But I remember Feargus or Sawyer said once they wanted to make real Tolkien isometric RPG but couldn't.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Deadfire had good setting

The codex thinking it has a good and unique setting means it most definitely did NOT have one that appealed to most people.

 

[Great Deceiver]

Hipstershit drivel by has-been developer, news at 11.

These people aren't capable of making decent games anymore - even if they had the inclination. Not even close.

 

[vortex]

The codex thinking it has a good and unique setting means it most definitely did NOT have one that appealed to most people.

Most people didn't experience the game because of the bad 2 hours entry and slog pacing and loading screens.

 

[Burning Bridges]

Most European names are actually also just a profession (miller, smith etc) while the first name is usually a character trait (eg strong or persevering for men, virtuous or graceful etc for qomen).

Must be a north european thing, most south europeans have biblical names, greco-roman names, etc.

Weird, I thought Brazil were only 3 names and everyone was called either Silva, Sousa or Santana. I bet your surname is one of the three.

Anyway here are most common names for my country Mexico. My own name (Jiménez) is on posicion 16

 

[Viata]

Weird, I thought Brazil were only 3 names and everyone was called either Silva, Sousa or Santana. I bet your surname is one of the three.

My surname is none of those and my name is from a Greek hero. Many people that I know here have biblical names, though.

 

[Burning Bridges]

Weird, I thought Brazil were only 3 names and everyone was called either Silva, Sousa or Santana. I bet your surname is one of the three.

My surname is none of those and my name is from a Greek hero. Many people that I know here have biblical names, though.

my name Jiménez

 

[Cazzeris]

We've known since 2019 that a small team at Obsidian led by Josh Sawyer was working on some sort of unusual combat-less RPG, codenamed Project Missouri.

"We've known"

Infinitron is so generous to include me in the knowledge of esoteric data pieces only he can remember

 

[ERYFKRAD]

We've known since 2019 that a small team at Obsidian led by Josh Sawyer was working on some sort of unusual combat-less RPG, codenamed Project Missouri.

"We've known"

Infinitron is so generous including me in the knowledge of esoteric data pieces only he can remember

Roguey probably knew

 

[Sentinel]

Something the codex will never accept because they love lolsoquirky non-standard settings:
Dumpsterfire failed because of the setting.

If it was standard fantasy it would have done well, just like outerworlds did well by aping generic sci-fi/beth fallout/mass effect. And outerworlds is easily a far worse game than dumpsterfire.

I have to admit I'm less interested in playing "exotic" pseudo-polynesian pirate-themed RPGs than regular European/North American forest themed RPGs.

And this is why we can't have anything good. How much of the same Tolkienesque shit you have to consume to have enough of it? Jesus Christ.

There's not even a single game that does Tolkien or a "tolkien-esque" setting well. Generally it's all just an excuse to portray le epic violence between classic fantasy races, 0 fucks are put into the world.

 

[Jedi Master Radek]

Something the codex will never accept because they love lolsoquirky non-standard settings:
Dumpsterfire failed because of the setting.

If it was standard fantasy it would have done well, just like outerworlds did well by aping generic sci-fi/beth fallout/mass effect. And outerworlds is easily a far worse game than dumpsterfire.

I have to admit I'm less interested in playing "exotic" pseudo-polynesian pirate-themed RPGs than regular European/North American forest themed RPGs.

And this is why we can't have anything good. How much of the same Tolkienesque shit you have to consume to have enough of it? Jesus Christ.

There's not even a single game that does Tolkien or a "tolkien-esque" setting well. Generally it's all just an excuse to portray le epic violence between classic fantasy races, 0 fucks are put into the world.

TBH I used tolkien-esque as a shortcut for epic fantasy with dwarfs and elves.

 

[luj1]

no combat + Soyer doing core systems... gg

 

[Zed Duke of Banville]

There's not even a single game that does Tolkien or a "tolkien-esque" setting well. Generally it's all just an excuse to portray le epic violence between classic fantasy races, 0 fucks are put into the world.

Dragonlance is TSR's Tolkienesque D&D setting, and the three Gold Box games in this setting are worth playing.

Granted, TSR and SSI missed the opportunity to adapt the original 12 Dragonlance adventure modules, along with the three associated novels and other related material, into a trilogy of JRPG-style games, which probably would have sold quite well.

 

[Cleveland Mark Blakemore]

How the fuck do you do a legit a historical rpg without combat? Talk about fantasy. Dragons and wizards ar emore likely to be real than non violence. LMAO

The second you get the eyebrow arching from millennials about how "this will be above all that combat associated with RPGs" you know the colored hair and tattoo mutants are running wild. Fantastic if it has a lot more than great turn based combat. Terrific. But claiming your RPG will be "more sophisticated than the usual fare" by eschewing all conflict? Or no combat? GTFO. Passive-aggressive crap by people already planning to fail. Overcompensating already before they even have screenshots. RPGS are going the way of the comic book industry SJWs if this stuff continues. There is NOTHING these soyboys can't ruin.

I had high hopes all the way through the article until I hit that part. New Vegas was one of the best games I have ever played.

 

[Major_Blackhart]

We can all agree it's gonna be shit. But who among us on the Codex has the balls to waste real money on it in order to prove the hivemind right?

Not I, says the man from Washington.

 

[†††]

I can't wait for all the journo articles claiming that combat in RPG games is an outdated concept that needs to be phased out.