Kingdom Come: Deliverance II Pre-Release Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[AwesomeButton]

I can take or leave dismemberment. Fallout style would definitely be too comical, but if you're not at least wearing a gambeson, shit would definitely be flying. Fingers in particular.

Note everyone that I'm not disputing fingers at all. People had sword guards for a reason. It's no problem to chew through one's own finger. But arms or legs, during combat, no. This isn't Monty Python.

 

[Tyrr]

This does not change the fact that such visits of people from distant countries simply historically happened, especially in such a large metropolis as Kuttenberg, where Czechs, Germans, Hungarians, Jews and different guests live side by side.

There were visitors from Germany and Hungary, such "distant countries" indeed. So it's only logical that also sub-saharans visited...
Please give an example of someone from Mali visiting Kuttenberg, or even Bohemia during this time.

 

[AwesomeButton]

It does not 'come down to the amount of pressure', you can press all you want with a smallsword, see where it gets you. It comes down to blade geometry

Blade geometry contributes to pressure.

"Pressure" as in "the force applied perpendicular to the surface of an object per unit area over which that force is distributed".

You don't even know what blade geometry refers to. It's not about thickness of the blade.

I do know what it refers to and it's the curve.

 

[Brancaleone]

It does not 'come down to the amount of pressure', you can press all you want with a smallsword, see where it gets you. It comes down to blade geometry

Blade geometry contributes to pressure.

"Pressure" as in "the force applied perpendicular to the surface of an object per unit area over which that force is distributed".

You don't even know what blade geometry refers to. It's not about thickness of the blade.

I do know what it refers to and it's the curve.

I'd say it's time you stopped lecturing out of your ass on something you know very little about.

 

[AwesomeButton]

It does not 'come down to the amount of pressure', you can press all you want with a smallsword, see where it gets you. It comes down to blade geometry

Blade geometry contributes to pressure.

"Pressure" as in "the force applied perpendicular to the surface of an object per unit area over which that force is distributed".

You don't even know what blade geometry refers to. It's not about thickness of the blade.

I do know what it refers to and it's the curve.

I'd say it's time you stopped lecturing out of your ass about something you know very little about.

Wow, mister sword professor comes to teach me

Maybe you will make up new laws of mechanics while you are at it.

 

[Infinitron]

You can bang a chick with the greatest tits seen in the history of gaming, game cannot possibly be gay.

booba

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Vavra: "You ain't got no problem, Musa. I'm on the motherfucker. Go back in there and chill them Codexers out and wait for the titty pics, which should be coming directly."

Musa: "You posting the titties?"

Vavra: "You feel better, motherfucker?"

 

[AwesomeButton]

You can bang a chick with the greatest tits seen in the history of gaming, game cannot possibly be gay.

booba

View attachment 61092

Vavra: "You ain't got no problem, Musa. I'm on the motherfucker. Go back in there and chill them Codexers out and wait for the titty pics, which should be coming directly."

Musa: "You posting the titties?"

Vavra: "You feel better, motherfucker?"

Not so fast. The next narrative after "jews are pushing faggotry" is "jews are pushing porn and loose morals on us"

 

[Quillon]

I imagine it would take multiple strikes to the same spot in order to cut off an arm between the elbow and shoulder.

And I imagine it wouln't be that hard hence all the layers of armor they are wearing to not let that happen(among other injuries), and most fighters in a battlefield couldn't afford that. Besides in that quora link there are multiple answers in the same vein besides the first one. If you really want we could spend a day to research all this shit but I don't want to

 

[Brancaleone]

It does not 'come down to the amount of pressure', you can press all you want with a smallsword, see where it gets you. It comes down to blade geometry

Blade geometry contributes to pressure.

"Pressure" as in "the force applied perpendicular to the surface of an object per unit area over which that force is distributed".

You don't even know what blade geometry refers to. It's not about thickness of the blade.

I do know what it refers to and it's the curve.

I'd say it's time you stopped lecturing out of your ass about something you know very little about.

Wow, mister sword professor comes to teach me

All right then, since you seem to think that blade geometry has to do with the curve: would an extremely curved blade like, say, a tulwar, be more or less conductive to cutting off limbs than a less curved blade?

 

[AwesomeButton]

I imagine it would take multiple strikes to the same spot in order to cut off an arm between the elbow and shoulder.

And I imagine it wouln't be that hard hence all the layers of armor they are wearing to not let that happen(among other injuries), and most fighters in a battlefield couldn't afford that. Besides in that quora link there are multiple answers in the same vein besides the first one. If you really want we could spend a day to research all this shit but I don't want to

You are very firmly opposed to reading what I keep writing.

Thick fabric is enough to prevent the chopping off of a limb. For all the post replies you wrote to me you could have searched for "padded armor test", but I won't google stuff for you.

 

[AwesomeButton]

It does not 'come down to the amount of pressure', you can press all you want with a smallsword, see where it gets you. It comes down to blade geometry

Blade geometry contributes to pressure.

"Pressure" as in "the force applied perpendicular to the surface of an object per unit area over which that force is distributed".

You don't even know what blade geometry refers to. It's not about thickness of the blade.

I do know what it refers to and it's the curve.

I'd say it's time you stopped lecturing out of your ass about something you know very little about.

Wow, mister sword professor comes to teach me

All right then, since you seem to think that blade geometry has to do with the curve: would an extremely curved blade like, say, a tulwar, be more or less conductive to cutting off limbs than a less curved blade?

Have you ever cut anything in your life? Even a steak?

 

[Brancaleone]

I imagine it would take multiple strikes to the same spot in order to cut off an arm between the elbow and shoulder.

And I imagine it wouln't be that hard hence all the layers of armor they are wearing to not let that happen(among other injuries), and most fighters in a battlefield couldn't afford that. Besides in that quora link there are multiple answers in the same vein besides the first one. If you really want we could spend a day to research all this shit but I don't want to

You are very firmly opposed to reading what I keep writing.

Thick fabric is enough to prevent the chopping off of a limb. For all the post replies you wrote to me you could have searched for "padded armor test", but I won't google stuff for you.

Aaaaand you have no idea even about the very basics. Please reply to the question, Mr Lecturer.

 

[AwesomeButton]

I imagine it would take multiple strikes to the same spot in order to cut off an arm between the elbow and shoulder.

And I imagine it wouln't be that hard hence all the layers of armor they are wearing to not let that happen(among other injuries), and most fighters in a battlefield couldn't afford that. Besides in that quora link there are multiple answers in the same vein besides the first one. If you really want we could spend a day to research all this shit but I don't want to

You are very firmly opposed to reading what I keep writing.

Thick fabric is enough to prevent the chopping off of a limb. For all the post replies you wrote to me you could have searched for "padded armor test", but I won't google stuff for you.

Aaaaand you have no idea even about the very basics. Please reply to the question, Mr Lecturer.

I don't have to prove anything to you. If you think a sword can hack a limb in padded armor, I'm waiting for your proof.

 

[Russia is over. The end.]

Not saying you're wrong but they also frequently depict spears being shoved up each others asses. These pictures were mostly made by bookish monks who never actually saw a battlefield.

This happened a lot during the Schlechten Krieg. Landsknechts and Reisläufers hated it each other so much that when they happened to be on the opposing sides, this is how things ended. A pike or sword up the ass, then watch the guy in agony have blood diarrheas one after another and bet with mates how many more times he'll go number two before he croaks, all the while listening to music and relaxing after a long battle.

 

[Quillon]

Thick fabric is enough to prevent the chopping off of a limb. For all the post replies you wrote to me you could have searched for "padded armor test", but I won't google stuff for you.

And you are reading mine? Even if that's true Henry is fighting half naked guys too and most oppenents' necks are exposed. I'm saying it should be possible, sure restrict it to only naked skin if that is the most realistic approach.

 

[Brancaleone]

I imagine it would take multiple strikes to the same spot in order to cut off an arm between the elbow and shoulder.

And I imagine it wouln't be that hard hence all the layers of armor they are wearing to not let that happen(among other injuries), and most fighters in a battlefield couldn't afford that. Besides in that quora link there are multiple answers in the same vein besides the first one. If you really want we could spend a day to research all this shit but I don't want to

You are very firmly opposed to reading what I keep writing.

Thick fabric is enough to prevent the chopping off of a limb. For all the post replies you wrote to me you could have searched for "padded armor test", but I won't google stuff for you.

Aaaaand you have no idea even about the very basics. Please reply to the question, Mr Lecturer.

I don't have to prove anything to you. If you think a sword can hack a limb in padded armor, I'm waiting for your proof.

You keep referring stuff that I never mentioned.

The very fact that you are talking about whether 'a sword' can hack or not something shows how clueless you are. Swords designed for different things are wildly different weapons. You never talk about 'a sword', if you know even something about it.

Besides, you seem under the impression, as I said, that hacking and cutting are the same thing, and that hacking a limb is achieved by (possible multiple) cutting. What about learing at least some basics before lecturing the world?

 

[VerSacrum]

This happened a lot during the Schlechten Krieg. Landsknechts and Reisläufers hated it each other so much that when they happened to be on the opposing sides, this is how things ended. A pike or sword up the ass, then watch the guy in agony have blood diarrheas one after another and bet with mates how many more times he'll go number two before he croaks, all the while listening to music and relaxing after a long battle.

Interesting. Also want to point out that a notable example of medieval chroniclers is Diebold Schilling the Elder - he actually did participate in the Burgundian Wars (1474–1477) among others, and as such his depictions, which do include dismemberments, are very credible.

 

[AwesomeButton]

You keep referring stuff that I never mentioned.

Do you have any point at all?

Here is mine:
Hacking off a limb in real life combat between people armed with Medieval-era swords is not as easy as in Gamebryo.

Anything else you want to say, any high shool level knowledge you want to fascinate me with, like "different swords were designed for different things", be my guest. But I'd prefer something pertaining to what my claim is. And I can back my claim with proof, which I still haven't seen from you.

You seem to really want to formulate a thought and say something, I wish you well in your efforts.

 

[Beowulf]

According to reports the synagogue is the only un-lootable and un-destructible place in the entire game. You also cannot unsheathe your sword inside the temple or do any sort of attack even with fists or throwing stones.

Listen to this reviewer, he thinks the game is feeding into harmful stereotypes instead - or that I'd assume 'yikes' is purported to mean (not so sure about this millenial lingo):

Additionally, a lot of drama and discourse has occurred around the series’ representation efforts, or lack thereof. I can’t really speak about the original, but I have to talk about the colossal *yikes* that is some of Kingdom Come: Deliverance II’s character work.
Early in the first act, you come across a Jewish merchant named Mordecai Haim. As well as being a vendor, you can engage him in the same kind of ‘hey, how’s it going? Anything going on in the area?’ small talk as you can with most NPCs. His response to such an inquiry? ‘Pay me’. Jesus Christ.

There’s also a character who is revealed as being gay during the core questline, but adding this element to their characterisation is to fall back on such an agonisingly tired, boring and dated series of tropes that I’d frankly rather they’d just not have even gone there at all.

Not being familiar with the gay stuff that much, I don't quite understand the last sentence. Did he mean it's too vanilla?

https://www.gameshub.com/news/reviews/kingdom-come-deliverance-ii-review-2659924/

Just take a look at the journo(s) and the mystery will be solved.

 

[AwesomeButton]

Just take a look at the journo(s) and the mystery will be solved.

This guy is the one who went and bragged on Resetera after he made his shitpost about the game. Someone should tag Vavra with the screenshot, it's some pages back in this thread.

 

[Brancaleone]

You keep referring stuff that I never mentioned.

Do you have any point at all?

Here is mine:
Hacking off a limb in real life combat between people armed with Medieval-era swords is not as easy as in Gamebryo.

Anything else you want to say, any high shool level knowledge you want to fascinate me with ("like different swords were designed for different things"), be my guest.

Oh, I guess I'll have to retract my statement about "Hacking off a limb in real life combat between people armed with Medieval-era swords is not as easy as in Gamebryo". But, wait a minute, I think I've never ever dreamed of saying that. We definitely have a pattern in your not-answers here.

I'll up it for you: basically doing fucking anything in real life is not as easy as in Gamebryo. Mind-boggling, I know. But I would never have come to this incredible conclusion without you opening our collective eyes about hacking in real life VS Gamebryo. You truly are a pioneer and a visionary.

By the way, another gem: "Medieval-era swords". The famous one-size-fits-all sword everybody used for about a millennium.

 

[moleman]

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The very fact that you are talking about whether 'a sword' can hack or not something shows how clueless you are. Swords designed for different things are wildly different weapons. You never talk about 'a sword', if you know even something about it.

Besides, you seem under the impression, as I said, that hacking and cutting are the same thing, and that hacking a limb is achieved by (possible multiple) cutting. What about learing at least some basics before lecturing the world?

Nice internet sword autism on display here. I approve.

I did practice Iaido for a year when I was younger, so let me add a little of my own autism.

You are indeed correct, sir. European longswords and Japanese katana are designed for different things.

In Iaido you would do a "curved" fluid motion when cutting. In cutting tests on bamboo targets you would see if you are doing it correctly. If done correctly the sword would cut cleanly through the target. If done wrong (by hacking) it would get stuck.

European long- and broadswords however, were heavier and more durable (movies are lying about this all the time). Their purpose was to penetrate through armor and chainmail.
But I admit I have no knowledge about hema sword techniques to detail this further.

 

[AwesomeButton]

Thick fabric is enough to prevent the chopping off of a limb. For all the post replies you wrote to me you could have searched for "padded armor test", but I won't google stuff for you.

And you are reading mine? Even if that's true Henry is fighting half naked guys too and most oppenents' necks are exposed. I'm saying it should be possible, sure restrict it to only naked skin if that is the most realistic approach.

> Henry is fighting half naked guys -- er, no
> Most opponents' necks are exposed -- yes, which doesn't make it all that likely that you should be able to behead them with a sword swing. But yeah, could have been done as a finishing move of some masterstrike.

Here, just as a hint on the effectiveness of the sword vs chainmail. You can easily find experiments with bare porc meat, or with gambesons: https://youtu.be/QgbVl3AjK6k?si=TSCsOXoDFk8ti-71

 

[AwesomeButton]

By the way, another gem: "Medieval-era swords". The famous one-size-fits-all sword everybody used for about a millennium

The effects on padded armor wouldn't differ no matter the precise year, make, material, or whether the blacksmith had a cup of tea in the morning he forged it.

But yeah, overall, you have no point to make whatsoever, so that's the kind of straws you will clutch at.

 

[Brancaleone]

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The very fact that you are talking about whether 'a sword' can hack or not something shows how clueless you are. Swords designed for different things are wildly different weapons. You never talk about 'a sword', if you know even something about it.

Besides, you seem under the impression, as I said, that hacking and cutting are the same thing, and that hacking a limb is achieved by (possible multiple) cutting. What about learing at least some basics before lecturing the world?

Nice internet sword autism on display here. I approve.

I did practice Iaido for a year when I was younger, so let me add a little of my own autism.

You are indeed correct, sir. European longswords and Japanese katana are designed for different things.

In Iaido you would do a "curved" fluid motion when cutting. In cutting tests on bamboo targets you would see if you are doing it correctly. If done correctly the sword would cut cleanly through the target. If done wrong (by hacking) it would get stuck.

European long- and broadswords however, were heavier and more durable (movies are lying about this all the time). Their purpose was to penetrate through armor and chainmail.
But I admit I have no knowledge about hema sword techniques to detail this further.

That was precisely my point about difference between cuttin and hacking action.
But to be clear: an European longsword is not, repeat not, designed for hacking. It's point of balance is much too closer to the hilt, it's point of percussion is about two thirds of the blade, and the blade geometry is the wrong one for such a job. Without getting into the differences between all the Oakeshott types, the, let's say, more 'evolved' longsword was designed to 'penetrate' ringmail simply by having a really thin point that went inside the ring without necessarily having to burst it.
A 'broadsword' (I guess you refer to an arming sword, not to a basket-hilt) has a slightly better blade geometry for the job, but it's still a multi-purpuse sword, not a chopping blade.

To quote my previous example, a migration-era sword (the so called 'Viking' sword) is quite a different thing. It has almost no point (pretty bad for stabbing), point of balance quite far from the hilt, point of percussion close to the point, and a blade that stays wide basically up to the point. That's a blade made to take off exposed wrists and forearms.