Game News Knights of the Chalice 2 Released

[JarlFrank]

I used all 20 downloads becuase fucking updates.

Send him an email, he will reset your downloads.

 

[Mortmal]

40 Euro for Pierre's latest experiment is not what I'd call a bargain. I'll wait for a deeeeeep sale in the future. Not to mention more modules. Augury of Chaos is waaay too high level for my tastes.

What a disapointment , we were all waiting for you to publish your home made module, the setting with castrated paladins, done with kotc2 editor.

 

[JarlFrank]

Well, I think he's right. You can't launch with a price and then immediately lower it without pissing a lot of people off. Even lowering it later tends to rustle people's jimmies for whatever reason.

No, Steam literally doesn't allow you to change your prices too quickly. Price changes can only be performed with a couple of months distance between each other. This is one of many ways the platform attempts to rein in scammers and other unsavory types who abuse the pricing system for various reasons.

If he wants to change the price, he has to wait.

 

[Iluvcheezcake]

Well, i guess its time for another full wizard party playthrough. Havent played since the initial release

 

[Butter]

Why does this game look worse than the first one?

Pleb filter.

 

[catfood]

Why does this game look worse than the first one?

Pleb filter.

More like customer filter. And a damn good one.

 

[Tacgnol]

Well, I think he's right. You can't launch with a price and then immediately lower it without pissing a lot of people off. Even lowering it later tends to rustle people's jimmies for whatever reason.

No, Steam literally doesn't allow you to change your prices too quickly. Price changes can only be performed with a couple of months distance between each other. This is one of many ways the platform attempts to rein in scammers and other unsavory types who abuse the pricing system for various reasons.

If he wants to change the price, he has to wait.

His best bet is if he has some sort of module or big update ready for a few months time. He could use that as an excuse to "re-launch" the game with a lower price tag.

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

Prices usually come down over time. Give it a year to three.

 

[Mortmal]

Well, I think he's right. You can't launch with a price and then immediately lower it without pissing a lot of people off. Even lowering it later tends to rustle people's jimmies for whatever reason.

No, Steam literally doesn't allow you to change your prices too quickly. Price changes can only be performed with a couple of months distance between each other. This is one of many ways the platform attempts to rein in scammers and other unsavory types who abuse the pricing system for various reasons.

If he wants to change the price, he has to wait.

His best bet is if he has some sort of module or big update ready for a few months time. He could use that as an excuse to "re-launch" the game with a lower price tag.

Next DLC is not a few months away far from it.

 

[JarlFrank]

Well, I think he's right. You can't launch with a price and then immediately lower it without pissing a lot of people off. Even lowering it later tends to rustle people's jimmies for whatever reason.

No, Steam literally doesn't allow you to change your prices too quickly. Price changes can only be performed with a couple of months distance between each other. This is one of many ways the platform attempts to rein in scammers and other unsavory types who abuse the pricing system for various reasons.

If he wants to change the price, he has to wait.

His best bet is if he has some sort of module or big update ready for a few months time. He could use that as an excuse to "re-launch" the game with a lower price tag.

Next DLC is not a few months away far from it.

More like a year or two. But hey, maybe I can toss another 500 bucks Pierre's way if he needs it

 

[Tyranicon]

Pierre's response to the "copyright claim." https://steamcommunity.com/app/1233530/discussions/0/3186866558197762420/?ctp=2

Spoiler

Hello all!

Thank you for bringing this to my attention. For complete transparency, and because it's quicker for me, I will just reproduce the email I have sent to GOG today. Here goes:

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Someone mentioned this to me today: << Hi Pierre, I hope you’re doing well. I just wanted to make sure you’re aware that at GOG, a certain user decided to leave a very bad review that attacked you for “stealing his work.” I am sure the accusation is false or otherwise unwarranted, but alas it is public and visible to users of GOG. I made the support team at GOG aware as well, but I wanted to bring this to your attention. Just trying to be supportive. Best, Robbie >>

As I have not stolen anyone’s work, and I have painstakingly listed all copyright holders requiring attribution in the ‘Credits’ screen, could you please remove the offending review from the GOG store page of KotC 2? (https://www.gog.com/game/knights_of_the_chalice_2)

Here is the review in question:

kiefrd20: << Its very bad! He will not get away (March 25, 2022)
I can not believe he stole my work, i purchased it this morning and i shut it down instantly after seeing my work in his game. i developed a game 2 years ago called soul of war lots of my scripts are in his game not to mention sounds and characters. im so sick over this. i looked through all the folders in the package, and low and behold hes got my stuff from rpgwatch in his folders. he stole my stuff. pioneer games sold my work to him. type in soul of war rpg and go to itch ull see its free. https://fishdog-games.itch.io/soul-of-war >>

To elaborate:

Apparently, this person’s game is based on RPG Maker. RPG Maker games are typically based on scripts, which is why this person mentions ‘lots of my scripts’.

My game is based on a custom-made engine developed over the course of 13 years. I don’t use RPG Maker at all, so I don’t use RPG Maker scripts at all.

Therefore, the accusation of me stealing ‘scripts’ from anyone is preposterous.

As for the sounds in KotC 2, most of them were created by Nino Rajacic for me, and I have the exclusive rights.

A few other sounds that I am using do require an attribution, and I have done the proper attribution in the Credits screen.

As for character graphics, they were created by Pioneer Valley Games (PVG), and I have purchased from PVG the right to use them in my game.

This person here does not hold a copyright to the artwork created by PVG. PVG is the holder of the rights and PVG’s business is to sell PVG artwork for game developers to use.

So, again, the accusation of me ‘stealing’ PVG artwork is preposterous. PVG artwork is made by PVG for use by many game developers through a non-exclusive licence.
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That's it. I expect that GOG will look into this Monday.

Cheers! Best regards all

 

[oneself]

Pierre Begue loves money. Apparently.

I'm going to assume this is sarcasm because gamedev, especially something as niche as this, is a horrible way to make money.

If Pierre really wanted to make cash, he'd throw some furry porn into his games and put up a Patreon.

I wouldn't think less of him at all. A man has to live on more than assorted garden roots.

Furry porn icon set. Venn diagram of degens and those that enjoy game of this masochistic difficulty, resolution and UI design is basically a circle.

 

[oscar]

The irony..

 

[holla_cabezas_de_mierda]

Prices usually come down over time. Give it a year to three.

Pierre is just as likely to raise the price as he releases more content, and I am not sure KOTC1 ever sees very large discounts, but I don't look all that closely since I own it.

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

Hmmmm..... go figure

https://isthereanydeal.com/search/?q=Knights+of+the+chalice

 

[Zeriel]

Why does this game look worse than the first one?

Because, as they say, humanity has declined...

 

[Roguey]

Apparently, this person’s game is based on RPG Maker. RPG Maker games are typically based on scripts, which is why this person mentions ‘lots of my scripts’.

My game is based on a custom-made engine developed over the course of 13 years. I don’t use RPG Maker at all, so I don’t use RPG Maker scripts at all.

Earlier versions of RPG Maker use Ruby and later versions use javascript so this isn't necessarily the defense he thinks it is (I doubt he actually lifted someone's scripts though).

 

[Tyranicon]

Apparently, this person’s game is based on RPG Maker. RPG Maker games are typically based on scripts, which is why this person mentions ‘lots of my scripts’.

My game is based on a custom-made engine developed over the course of 13 years. I don’t use RPG Maker at all, so I don’t use RPG Maker scripts at all.

Earlier versions of RPG Maker use Ruby and later versions use javascript so this isn't necessarily the defense he thinks it is (I doubt he actually lifted someone's scripts though).

True, but you can't just easily rip RPGMaker plugin scripts and use them in your game. I also don't see any reason why you would. If anybody has proof, it should be super easy to tell unless Pierre did obfuscate his code, in which place I doubt it was found in the first place.

Then again, I don't believe Soul of War is made in RPG Maker either. Just looking at the trailer I don't recognize any telltale signs that it is, unless it is very heavily customized.

 

[PorkaMorka]

Prices usually come down over time. Give it a year to three.

Pierre is just as likely to raise the price as he releases more content, and I am not sure KOTC1 ever sees very large discounts, but I don't look all that closely since I own it.

The module scene might not be that robust if the player base doesn't increase from an all time high of 41 people online.

The best way to encourage him to make better pricing decisions is to withhold your money so that he feels the need to make a change, unfortunately Codex fan boys have been encouraging his bad pricing decisions.

 

[Tacgnol]

Apparently, this person’s game is based on RPG Maker. RPG Maker games are typically based on scripts, which is why this person mentions ‘lots of my scripts’.

My game is based on a custom-made engine developed over the course of 13 years. I don’t use RPG Maker at all, so I don’t use RPG Maker scripts at all.

Earlier versions of RPG Maker use Ruby and later versions use javascript so this isn't necessarily the defense he thinks it is (I doubt he actually lifted someone's scripts though).

True, but you can't just easily rip RPGMaker plugin scripts and use them in your game. I also don't see any reason why you would. If anybody has proof, it should be super easy to tell unless Pierre did obfuscate his code, in which place I doubt it was found in the first place.

Then again, I don't believe Soul of War is made in RPG Maker either. Just looking at the trailer I don't recognize any telltale signs that it is, unless it is very heavily customized.

Shoving 3e based systems into RPGMaker would take a lot of work (not impossible mind), it's very much beyond the abilities of that retarded asset flipper I suspect.

The module scene might not be that robust if the player base doesn't increase from an all time high of 41 people online.

The best way to encourage him to make better pricing decisions is to withhold your money so that he feels the need to make a change, unfortunately Codex fan boys have been encouraging his bad pricing decisions.

He's stuck with the current price now for several months. Steam does not allow the changing of price so soon after release, for obvious reasons.

 

[Zeriel]

Update v1.3b has been uploaded: 3\27\20 8:50am eastern

New update has been uploaded download it below: v1.3 3\24\20 12:30pm eastern

The new package v1.2m has been uploaded 3\22\20 11:45pm eastern

this is what it adds:
Added raise dead potions
12 more additional monster types
2 more dungeons
made town npc's animations smoother
made a script for more random loot
added 22 new npc's
also moved some battles because the black info box was getting in the way
revamped the story (Thanks to Falksi)

Falksi

APOLOGIZE

 

[mediocrepoet]

Prices usually come down over time. Give it a year to three.

Pierre is just as likely to raise the price as he releases more content, and I am not sure KOTC1 ever sees very large discounts, but I don't look all that closely since I own it.

The module scene might not be that robust if the player base doesn't increase from an all time high of 41 people online.

The best way to encourage him to make better pricing decisions is to withhold your money so that he feels the need to make a change, unfortunately Codex fan boys have been encouraging his bad pricing decisions.

You really can't put any fault for Pierre's sales strategy on anyone at the Codex. The guy didn't want to sell KOTC on a storefront for years because they take a cut. He may be a talented encounter designer, but his business acumen is... unique.

 

[Zeriel]

Prices usually come down over time. Give it a year to three.

Pierre is just as likely to raise the price as he releases more content, and I am not sure KOTC1 ever sees very large discounts, but I don't look all that closely since I own it.

The module scene might not be that robust if the player base doesn't increase from an all time high of 41 people online.

The best way to encourage him to make better pricing decisions is to withhold your money so that he feels the need to make a change, unfortunately Codex fan boys have been encouraging his bad pricing decisions.

Personally as someone who was kind of interested from the perspective of a game with a toolset to make modules with 3E D&D rules, one glance at the UI, especially for dialogues, was enough to make me nope right out of there. This is not a graphics whore thing, as some people in the thread have implied, it's a basic eye for aesthetics thing. If 20 year old games built in the time when N64 3D was the standard have cleaner looking UI, you have really fugged up.

 

[Tacgnol]

You really can't put any fault for Pierre's sales strategy on anyone at the Codex. The guy didn't want to sell KOTC on a storefront for years because they take a cut. He may be a talented encounter designer, but his business acumen is... unique.

The weirdest thing is that Pierre claims to be an economic consultant and writes many whitepapers about better business. Judging by his own business decisions, he very much seems to be a know nothing know it all in that field.

JF seems to have gotten through to him about the price, the issue is, as I've previously mentioned, he literally can't change the price on steam now for a few months. (Three possibly? I'm not sure what the exact policy is)

 

[JarlFrank]

JF seems to have gotten through to him about the price, the issue is, as I've previously mentioned, he literally can't change the price on steam now for a few months. (Three possibly? I'm not sure what the exact policy is)

I'm not entirely sure if I did, but I think he realized I have a point. I'll write him another email in a month or two with some evidence to back up my claims of lowering the price being a good idea:

- a bunch of screenshots from the Codex thread where people reacted with "what the fuck that price" on release day
- a bunch of screenshots from other sites where people stated the same sentiment
- Steam pages of other games within the subgenre that have similar (or even higher) production values to KotC2 but are priced much cheaper: Age of Fear series, Telepath Tactics Liberated, Dungeon of Naheulbeuk (MUCH bigger production values but still 5€ cheapter than KotC2 lmao)

My suggestion would be a price of 24.99€, which would be comparable to the price of the Age of Fear games.
Since his future business strategy of the game is to supply it with additional adventure modules (three of his own making, and then a bunch of fan-made ones following the revenue share model), a lower cost of entry means a larger potential customer base for the DLC modules.