KickStarter Knights of the Chalice 2 Thread - Augury of Chaos

[Rpguy]

I think the optimal 3 melee characters for your starting party are:
1 Fighter or Gladiator trip Half-Giant. Fighter gets wade-in, Gladiator gets higher ability scores. Both should work.
2 Mantis Gladiators. At level 8 they get 11-12 attacks per round of you have Haste. Unless your melee does retarded damage or can Trip, melee is pointless...

Honestly, the Whirlwind build I'm using is worthless. It would be amazing vs. hordes of enemies, but Pierre completely skips the minions and just throws hordes of killers at you instead.

That's my party now, 2 gladiators (mantis+half giant) and a drake fighter + cleric/psion/wizard
How did you manage to kill the greens without help?

 

[Jasede]

I managed to kill the greens without help, the blues and both, too.

Well, the key for me was to clear the Tomb first. This is difficult but possible with that party you have.

If you're struggling try using the scrolls. I didn't have to with this party because I had access to energy cone at this point, which is rape incarnate.

Fighting Goblins without help is probably easier in some ways. The turns go by faster and you start on a different, better position. If you can blast the dangerous casters with direct damage you should be fine. The monsters tend to kill themselves in the damage fields. If they don't, help with an energy wall or grease.

 

[Tweed]

Finished off the lich, still don't see any way of beating the spider.

 

[Jasede]

Honestly, Psions are just so much damage. It might be possible to roll

• Gladiator Mantis for DPS
• Gladiator/Fighter/Barbarian (Half-Giant) for Tripping
• Bishop/Cleric (Human) for healing
• 3 Human Psions

And just obliterate many of the encounters with massive Energy Ball/Cone/Bolt/Wave damage. You'll want to take the Warlock and Sorc companions for Wizard spells.

Psions can also buy time easily with walls and cocoons. They're too good not to have. If you give 3 Psions the Stomp improvement they'll make early fights look like easy mode.

So far I'm not regretting the Bishop but I also don't think it's much better than the Cleric. The Cleric gets circle 8/9 spells and the Bishop better turning and more domains. The domains are very useful and save feats, but you can do okay without. You should still have Aberration, that summon is invaluable.

I think a healing-focused Bishop with Curing, Flux, Healing and Life would be optimal or at least fantastically useful.

 

[lukaszek]

deterministic system > RNG

 

[Tweed]

Lich by the way is not so hard, toss silence and grease on him and then let your melees whittle down his mirror images, he'll resort to using chain lighting instead of his harm combo so if you can cast mass protection from energy your guys will last a lot longer. As long as you're on him and he's silenced and greased he'll never move from where he spawns so position your psion next to the grease tiles and blast him with fire energy waves, that will hit most of the skeletons in the room along with him (and some party members too). Summon some elementals or golems to distract the skeletons, once he's gone the rest is cake, run outside the silence zone and rez anyone who died then finish off the last skeleton.

 

[Jasede]

Should be easy for my party! Just started exploring high sewer. When do you suggest I use the campfire? Did you unlock any free resting before the Castle?

 

[NJClaw]

When do you suggest I use the campfire?

Wh... what do you mean? Are campfires a one-time thing in this game?

 

[Tweed]

Should be easy for my party! Just started exploring high sewer. When do you suggest I use the campfire? Did you unlock any free resting before the Castle?

You get one rest for freeing the merchants from the emperor eye and one for finishing the death snare, you also get one last one before leaving the sewers and you get one free total restore from the genie. Trying to remember, I cleared the mimics, the water passage room, all of the evil eyes, the oozes, the rust monsters, and some other odds and ends before I used the first fire. I think I rested before I took on the ambush and black dragon battle but I can't remember. I used my second rest before the death snare and the genie somewhere else but I can't remember where.

If you can save the genie for later you'll be in a good spot.

 

[Jasede]

When do you suggest I use the campfire?

Wh... what do you mean? Are campfires a one-time thing in this game?

No, some early ones you can use twice!

 

[Tweed]

I know I mentioned it before, but check back with the crones, they restock their potions. I don't know when or how it works, but they do.

 

[Jasede]

I don't know where you get any of this gold, I got twice as much as normal from the goblins and still am out of level up gold. Are you aggressively selling stuff? Maybe I need to stop saving every weapon on a "could come in handy later" basis. My mantis has 12 weapons or so...

If I were to replay, I would suggest taking the gold from the efreet, like Tweed has done, because while the items are okay, they are soon outclassed.

 

[Tweed]

Yeah, despite the fact that this whole thing is monty haul a lot of weapons fall by the wayside very quickly. You'll need that cash if you want to get your SR boosted and you certainly want that. I bought that axiomatic holy claymore too and it seems to work very nicely for my samurai.

 

[Dickie]

Jasede in this thread.

 

[Jasede]

There's nothing wrong with my love for my naked quadruple-wielding mantis gods. Our love is pure.

 

[Jasede]

I am beginning to believe this game was not designed for humans. These are the games the Gods on Alpha Centauri play casually, to pass the time.

 

[Tweed]

We are being refined in Pierre's fire, becoming better than we had ever imagined possible.

But fuck this fucking spider, fuck fuck fuck! I can't see a way of cheesing this, you can't grease her, you sure as hell can't dispell, silence just changes her attacks to rape with lube instead of without, her entourage is almost as power and even if you manage to survive long enough that statue and another spider comes out. You get a massive pile of high level spell scrolls when you first come into the room before the spider and I feel like you should be scribing most of them since this is right near the end of the dungeon, not burning them up in combat.

I think I've finally hit the wall, even on my best day I can't do the frontal assault at the keep or the black dragon mage or the white dragon and giants in the back.

 

[Jasede]

Use the scrolls, dummy...

 

[Tweed]

I tried, she resists them and so her friends and thats only if everyone does die instantly to prismatic void.

 

[Jasede]

Okay, crazy idea, and it probably won't work, but what if you use the Helmets of Blinding? Maybe the Prismatic Void needs to be seen to be effective.

 

[Mortmal]

other than using the arrow of slaying and praying for luck

That's it, that's the only way.

No its possible to blast the hydra at range, several fireball ice storms from mages and hybrids, energy ball from psion and a wall of energy below the hydra. It all come to party composition, this fight wasnt so hard for mine. Could be the paladin buffs you all frowned upon had it's use against the hydra breath.

 

[Tweed]

No good, prismatic void is not a gaze attack.

 

[Mortmal]

No good, prismatic void is not a gaze attack.

Only way to mitigate the damage is reflex save, and even then you could still take 100hp damage by character max damage is 200(or disntegrated or petrified..). So only way i can see is anti magic cloud and melee it, but do you have that...

 

[Mortmal]

Maybe its one of the spell you should get from the coven, too bad you already chosed before chapter 3 . Plus you need someone able to cast level 8 spells , a pure wizard.

 

[Rpguy]

No good, prismatic void is not a gaze attack.

Only way to mitigate the damage is reflex save, and even then you could still take 100hp damage by character max damage is 200(or disntegrated or petrified..). So only way i can see is anti magic cloud and melee it, but do you have that...

Maybe you need a rogue/monk with evasion? they take 0 damage on successful reflex saves