KickStarter Knights of the Chalice 2 Thread - Augury of Chaos

[Iluvcheezcake]

Can anyone link the stuff green gobbos vendors are selling?

Spoiler

Quartermaster Vrog :

999 bullets (1gp)
999 arrows (1gp)
+2 Handaxe (handaxe: 8.306 gp)
+1 (eternium) Battleaxe of the Jarls (battleaxe: frost/icy burst, giant sized, str +2, 79.210 gp)
+1 Displacer (sling: greater knockback, 50.301 gp)
+5 (adamantine) Minogon (greataxe: con+2, 65.320 gp)
+1 (cold iron) Thunderbolt (waraxe: shocking/shocking burst, force, keen, 50% electr. resist., 189.350 gp)
+3 Frostward (light shield: 50% cold resist., 128.350 gp)
11 pot. cure med. wounds
3 barkskin pot.
1 greater restoration pot.
2 stoneskin pot.
8 str pot.
Bracers of iron grip (+4 grapple rolls, 4.000 gp)
+1 Axe of the Green Dragon (handaxe: acidic/acidic burst, collision, 53.306 gp)


Elder Bleevog:

1 Slaying arrow (8.200 gp)
1 Greater acid ring (30 dr acid, 44.000 gp)
1 Ring of Life (+10 hp, 9.000 gp)
Ring of the destroyer +2 (damage rolls +2, 4.000 gp)
Ring of the archer +2 (ranged attack rolls +2, 64.000 gp)
Ring of battle (immunity to flanking, 42.500 gp)
Belt of battle skill (low BAB classes get med. BAB, med. BAB classes get full BAB, full BAB classes get +2 attack rolls, 118.000 gp)
1 scrl Disintegrate (psi)
1 scrl Insect Plague (druid)
1 scrl Summon Snake
1 scrl Greater Gust of Wind (druid)
1 scrl Vampiric Weapon
1 scrl Concussion Blast
1 scrl Supress Sword (psi)
1 scrl Energy Adaptation
1 scrl Energy Ball


Elder Ragaak:

1 bag of holding (5.000 gp)
Bracers of Ice (Ray of frost 3/day, 2.150 gp)
Panflute of Hideous Laughter (can cast Hideous Laughter, cursed dirge +2, zone of silence +5 ft, 5.400 gp)
Crown of the Archmage (+1 spell slot 1-9, 69.000 gp)
Psionic crown (+10 PP, 15.000 gp)
Amulet of natural armour +4 (32.000 gp)
Amulet of prot. from Evil +2 (91.000 gp)
Amulet of the Gorgon (immunity to petrification, 68.000 gp)
2 crystal ingots
4 steel ingots
1 fire diamond
Mantle of spell resistance (28 SR bonus, 180.000 gp)
Greater cloak of the acid salamander (30 dr acid, 44.000 gp)
Mantle of the red dragon (immunity to fire, 312.000 gp)
Boots of perfect (P E R F E C T B A L A N C E, 19.000 gp) <- best item in the game

isnt that gray gobbo vendor

Anyway..:

Spoiler

Quallian

1 scrl Wall of Stone (cleric)
3 scrl Flame Strike (cleric)
1 scrl Righteous Might
5 scrl Mass Cure Moderate Wounds
1 scrl Greater Prayer
1 scrl Raise Dead
1 scrl Holy Smite
1 scrl Inflict Critical Wounds
1 scrl Death Ward (cleric)
1 scrl Heroism
1 scrl Vampiric Ray
1 scrl Sound Lance
1 scrl Resilient Grease
1 scrl Energy Shield (wiz)
6 Heal pot.
2 Iron Body pot.


King Tribulus

+1 Snaring Longbow (longbow: snaring, flaming splash, 50.375 gp)
+1 Subverter (greatbow: disrupting, +2 dmg, 72.385 gp)
+3 Frost Recurve Bow (recurve bow: frost, 32.390 gp)
999 arrows
19 sleep arrows
1 slaying arrow (construct)
4 slaying arrow (humanoid)
1 slaying arrow (dragon)
Ring of the archer +2 (ranged attack rolls +2, 64.000 gp)
Ring of the Troll (regeneration, 261.000 gp)
Ring of Free Action (114.000 gp)
Ring of Iron Skin 5 (dr magic OR adamantine 5, 63.000 gp)
Greater Circlet of the Healer (cure critical wounds 3/day, 30.240 gp)
Helm of Wisdom +4 (16.000 gp)
Amulet of the Gorgon (immunity to petrification, 68.000 gp)
Bracers of Devastation +6 (melee dmg rolls +6, 36.000 gp)

Thanks

 

[Iluvcheezcake]

Ok so a small update.

My 6 wiz party has reached chapter 3.
So far so good, was a lot of reloading but very enjoyable.
Suprisingly, magic missile with accompanying feats turned out to be a monster of a dps spell for burning down foes fast.
Biggest hurdle ofc was the gobbo king so far, but as my lvl grows, i get new spell levels to play with and things get somewhat easier.

Shame the module is so unbalanced, damn you Baguette, get to fixing shit!

At this point im at the pizzara fight, lvl 7 but can lvl to 9. I need advice on nuking the ice devil guise. Halp!

 

[Tweed]

Silence is always the key, an effect like that without a saving throw is one of the strangest things in 3.x.

Anyway, she is a whore. And not of the good kind. She is a decadent prostitute that gives you HIV even if you use a condom.

But you feel so good when you win. Oh and I guess grappling is nice, if you actually have people who can grapple.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Jesus fucking Christ I hate her.

That's my MOM you're talking about here, FOUR-LIMBS.

She probably ate your dad so he's on to something.

 

[Generic-Giant-Spider]

She probably ate your dad so he's on to something.

Hah, she couldn't have eaten my dad. My dad's dead. Has been since I was born.

Shows what YOU know, ERYFKRAD.

...

Wait a minute. I think I had a thought.

 

[NJClaw]

Can anyone link the stuff green gobbos vendors are selling?

Spoiler

Quartermaster Vrog :

999 bullets (1gp)
999 arrows (1gp)
+2 Handaxe (handaxe: 8.306 gp)
+1 (eternium) Battleaxe of the Jarls (battleaxe: frost/icy burst, giant sized, str +2, 79.210 gp)
+1 Displacer (sling: greater knockback, 50.301 gp)
+5 (adamantine) Minogon (greataxe: con+2, 65.320 gp)
+1 (cold iron) Thunderbolt (waraxe: shocking/shocking burst, force, keen, 50% electr. resist., 189.350 gp)
+3 Frostward (light shield: 50% cold resist., 128.350 gp)
11 pot. cure med. wounds
3 barkskin pot.
1 greater restoration pot.
2 stoneskin pot.
8 str pot.
Bracers of iron grip (+4 grapple rolls, 4.000 gp)
+1 Axe of the Green Dragon (handaxe: acidic/acidic burst, collision, 53.306 gp)


Elder Bleevog:

1 Slaying arrow (8.200 gp)
1 Greater acid ring (30 dr acid, 44.000 gp)
1 Ring of Life (+10 hp, 9.000 gp)
Ring of the destroyer +2 (damage rolls +2, 4.000 gp)
Ring of the archer +2 (ranged attack rolls +2, 64.000 gp)
Ring of battle (immunity to flanking, 42.500 gp)
Belt of battle skill (low BAB classes get med. BAB, med. BAB classes get full BAB, full BAB classes get +2 attack rolls, 118.000 gp)
1 scrl Disintegrate (psi)
1 scrl Insect Plague (druid)
1 scrl Summon Snake
1 scrl Greater Gust of Wind (druid)
1 scrl Vampiric Weapon
1 scrl Concussion Blast
1 scrl Supress Sword (psi)
1 scrl Energy Adaptation
1 scrl Energy Ball


Elder Ragaak:

1 bag of holding (5.000 gp)
Bracers of Ice (Ray of frost 3/day, 2.150 gp)
Panflute of Hideous Laughter (can cast Hideous Laughter, cursed dirge +2, zone of silence +5 ft, 5.400 gp)
Crown of the Archmage (+1 spell slot 1-9, 69.000 gp)
Psionic crown (+10 PP, 15.000 gp)
Amulet of natural armour +4 (32.000 gp)
Amulet of prot. from Evil +2 (91.000 gp)
Amulet of the Gorgon (immunity to petrification, 68.000 gp)
2 crystal ingots
4 steel ingots
1 fire diamond
Mantle of spell resistance (28 SR bonus, 180.000 gp)
Greater cloak of the acid salamander (30 dr acid, 44.000 gp)
Mantle of the red dragon (immunity to fire, 312.000 gp)
Boots of perfect (P E R F E C T B A L A N C E, 19.000 gp) <- best item in the game

isnt that gray gobbo vendor

Anyway..:

Spoiler

Quallian

1 scrl Wall of Stone (cleric)
3 scrl Flame Strike (cleric)
1 scrl Righteous Might
5 scrl Mass Cure Moderate Wounds
1 scrl Greater Prayer
1 scrl Raise Dead
1 scrl Holy Smite
1 scrl Inflict Critical Wounds
1 scrl Death Ward (cleric)
1 scrl Heroism
1 scrl Vampiric Ray
1 scrl Sound Lance
1 scrl Resilient Grease
1 scrl Energy Shield (wiz)
6 Heal pot.
2 Iron Body pot.


King Tribulus

+1 Snaring Longbow (longbow: snaring, flaming splash, 50.375 gp)
+1 Subverter (greatbow: disrupting, +2 dmg, 72.385 gp)
+3 Frost Recurve Bow (recurve bow: frost, 32.390 gp)
999 arrows
19 sleep arrows
1 slaying arrow (construct)
4 slaying arrow (humanoid)
1 slaying arrow (dragon)
Ring of the archer +2 (ranged attack rolls +2, 64.000 gp)
Ring of the Troll (regeneration, 261.000 gp)
Ring of Free Action (114.000 gp)
Ring of Iron Skin 5 (dr magic OR adamantine 5, 63.000 gp)
Greater Circlet of the Healer (cure critical wounds 3/day, 30.240 gp)
Helm of Wisdom +4 (16.000 gp)
Amulet of the Gorgon (immunity to petrification, 68.000 gp)
Bracers of Devastation +6 (melee dmg rolls +6, 36.000 gp)

You weren't entirely wrong, though. Once I had a bug where the green goblin merchant simply linked back to the grey elder one.

 

[Jasede]

At the time Pierre simply hadn't coded the green goblin vendors. Only restored working in 1.03 I think.

I kind of want to make modules but the editor is actually a lot fiddlier than it looks. Making scripts is pain.

 

[cruelio]

I'm playing so I can finish and tell Pierre he's a retard without other retards telling me "but you didn't even finish! you're just a noob who gave up!"

Since releasing KOTC1, Pierre has become the master of coming up with fights that could be hard but fair and then ruining them by adding something insanely stupid. Take this Goblin King one: terrain disadvantage, forced unavoidable surprise round, and heavily outnumbered by enemies that are specifically designed to take advantage of your terrain disadvantage. This is reminiscent of the KOTC1 gnoll trap fight where you fall into a pit and are surrounded by gnolls who get a surprise round to shit on you. Most people, including me, found this to be one of the more memorable and enjoyable fights in the game, despite (or maybe because of) the deck being stacked against you.

Dissatisfied that most players would get through the Goblin King fight as described above with two or three casts of the reload spell, Pierre adds the piece de resistance: a level 13 super caster who can summon a demon strong enough to fight your party solo or cast empowered AOE spells that can one shot your non-fighters. Or both! This took me at least ten casts of the reload spell until the Goblin King didn't shit on my party solo and got nauseated by a stinking could. I can tell you I did not enjoy it as much as the gnoll ambush, which took me a couple of tries the first time I played the game but not frustratingly so.

Fun fact: Goblin King is also a psychic, so if you think you've silenced him, you've actually encouraged him to use his 60 damage chain energy ability to annihilate your party. A level 7 d6 hit die character with 18 con who hit max hp on every level up would have like 70 hp, so I guess it would make a difference if I was playing in 1.03 and picked all the easy mode options and maxed stats for my entire party. But I'm playing 1.02, and my casters had on average about 40-50 hp.

I'm focusing on this fight but it's a recurring issue in the game.

 

[NJClaw]

I'm playing so I can finish and tell Pierre he's a retard without other retards telling me "but you didn't even finish! you're just a noob who gave up!"

Since releasing KOTC1, Pierre has become the master of coming up with fights that could be hard but fair and then ruining them by adding something insanely stupid. Take this Goblin King one: terrain disadvantage, forced unavoidable surprise round, and heavily outnumbered by enemies that are specifically designed to take advantage of your terrain disadvantage. This is reminiscent of the KOTC1 gnoll trap fight where you fall into a pit and are surrounded by gnolls who get a surprise round to shit on you. Most people, including me, found this to be one of the more memorable and enjoyable fights in the game, despite (or maybe because of) the deck being stacked against you.

Dissatisfied that most players would get through the Goblin King fight as described above with two or three casts of the reload spell, Pierre adds the piece de resistance: a level 13 super caster who can summon a demon strong enough to fight your party solo or cast empowered AOE spells that can one shot your non-fighters. Or both! This took me at least ten casts of the reload spell until the Goblin King didn't shit on my party solo and got nauseated by a stinking could. I can tell you I did not enjoy it as much as the gnoll ambush, which took me a couple of tries the first time I played the game but not frustratingly so.

Fun fact: Goblin King is also a psychic, so if you think you've silenced him, you've actually encouraged him to use his 60 damage chain energy ability to annihilate your party. A level 7 d6 hit die character with 18 con who hit max hp on every level up would have like 70 hp, so I guess it would make a difference if I was playing in 1.03 and picked all the easy mode options and maxed stats for my entire party. But I'm playing 1.02, and my casters had on average about 40-50 hp.

I'm focusing on this fight but it's a recurring issue in the game.

I'm going to quote Dickie here:

You can check his arcane slots to see if he's used them all. He only has two level-6 spell slots. He can use Empowered Ice Storm to kill your whole party, and he can summon a vrock, but he can't do either of those things 3 times.

 

[Yosharian]

So he can't kill your party more than 2 times?

That's a relief

 

[ERYFKRAD]

I think I had a thought

Well now you have one more.

 

[NJClaw]

So he can't kill your party more than 2 times?

That's a relief

Nah, actually he can. He just has to use his psionicist powers.

Let's say he can't one-shot your entire party with his arcane spells more then two times.

 

[Mortmal]

He also can debuff you and dispell area effect, AI is extremely good, i really dont understand how pierre works. He can do the impossible but fail at trivial stuff like balancing the encounter, there's guidelines for D20 on the web.It could have been perfect, just prebuff the king tone down his caster level and it's decent challenge already with all the minions and the highly resistant scorpion you get to kill.

 

[NJClaw]

Probably it's already common knowledge, but Energy Wall is incredibly good to deal with chapter 4 encounters after the gate breach. Being a no spell resistance/no save spell, you can empower it to deal reliable damage (around 70) at medium range to wizards, psionicists, dragons, demons, devils and those annoying purple archers. It doesn't have the destructive power of empowered cone of cold, prismatic void, energy ball, energy wave or greater ice storm and it lacks the trip effect of sirocco, earthquake and tornado blast, but it's still useful in its own niche.

 

[Iluvcheezcake]

ROFL i killed the Ice Demon Guise! Lowered his SR with 5th lvl wizard spell and nuked his ass with empowered magic missiles! HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA LOLOLO

 

[JarlFrank]

Since the new patch is not savegame compatible, I made a new party. Same characters as before, except:

- changed my cleric's domain powers to summoning that tentacle creature and having more range on spells; previously I gave her blinding and better turning, but turning undead is utterly useless and every other domain power is ten times better; that tentacle beast is a great summon
- replaced my fighter with a samurai; she is focusing on reach weapons and critical hits and goddamn does she do some massive damage; good decision
- replaced my ranger with a bard; probably should have taken a druid instead tbh, the bard is nice but eeeeh... can't keep up with the others in terms of usefulness

 

[jungl]

turn undead always been gimp in 3.5. The best thing you can get out of it is make undead flee which becomes very difficult at higher levels where it really helps. Once you get access to empowered evocation cleric spells it becomes completely outclassed.

Turn undead in 2E was awesome in that fear was more likely or straight up killing the undead. Oh and evil clerics would control the undead instead of killing them.

 

[NJClaw]

Since the new patch is not savegame compatible, I made a new party. Same characters as before, except:

- changed my cleric's domain powers to summoning that tentacle creature and having more range on spells; previously I gave her blinding and better turning, but turning undead is utterly useless and every other domain power is ten times better; that tentacle beast is a great summon
- replaced my fighter with a samurai; she is focusing on reach weapons and critical hits and goddamn does she do some massive damage; good decision
- replaced my ranger with a bard; probably should have taken a druid instead tbh, the bard is nice but eeeeh... can't keep up with the others in terms of usefulness

Don't be gay, take a Druid. The merchants in chapter 3 sell an enormous stock of Greater Ice Storm for pennies and during chapter 4 you want to spam that shit like crazy. All my level 8 and 9 slots are just Greater Ice Storm, with the occasional Earthquake thrown in there. Fuck Whirlwind, stunning enemies is useless because everyone and their mother has that horrible contingent break enchantment.

If Greater Ice Storm was a woman, I would fuck her all night long.

 

[Jasede]

Clerics can use those scrolls too, if you don't have a druid.

 

[cruelio]

Oh ok.

 

[NJClaw]

Clerics can use those scrolls too, if you don't have a druid.

Really? So it's just an arcane/divine/psionic division? Does that mean that paladins can use those? That would have made everything so much easier...

 

[Jasede]

Yes, Paladins can use all Cleric/Druid scrolls.
Both are divine magic. There is arcane, divine, psionic.

As a matter of fact, the main way the Bishop lategame managed to stay relevant was by using those ~6 Greater Ice Storm scrolls you can buy.

 

[Tweed]

Those scrolls were great for the end, gave my cleric some teeth to help clear the front gate and the courtyard.

 

[NJClaw]

Yes, Paladins can use all Cleric/Druid scrolls.
Both are divine magic. There is arcane, divine, psionic.

As a matter of fact, the main way the Bishop lategame managed to stay relevant was by using those ~6 Greater Ice Storm scrolls you can buy.

I should have known that... I remember that once I had a scroll that I could use but not learn, but I didn't think about it enough.

Anyway, maybe I picked the wrong spells, but for the spider queen fight and for the entirety of the last chapter (with the exception of the very last encounter), the druid has been a far more relevant asset than the cleric. The last chapter is all about blasts and the cleric's arsenal lacks both range and area. I haven't felt the need for defensive buffs (but, again, maybe here I'm doing something wrong) except for (greater) mass protection from energy, but the druid has those and he can cast them with a move action without spending resources. The only "cleric" spells I've used are Heal, Mass Heal and True Resurrection, but you get so many scrolls of those that you don't really need slots.

 

[The Red Knight]

Making scripts is pain.

Do you need any help with particular things you want to do? Or do you find it tedious/overwhelming because there are many similar-looking commands with sometimes ambiguous wording that could use some additional sorting/grouping? The latter takes some time to get used to and familiarize yourself with, but assigning to triggers/NPCs and copying (parts of) scripts is much easier than I expected it to be and speeds up the mass production of similar scripts. Also I have no idea how input command search is supposed to work as it seems to operate on root logic, but you can click on "list of possible commands" to sort them alphabetically instead of by script number.