Game News Legend of Grimrock Sells over 600,000 Copies, Developers Promise "New Exciting Things"

[felipepepe]

Production =/= Pre-Production.

 

[Vault Dweller]

Define "they".

http://dmweb.free.fr/?q=node/822

2005:

A team is working on a new Dungeon Master clone project, this time in 3D.
You can post your comments and suggestions Escape from Dragon Mountain thread at dungeon-master.com.
The four members of the team are Petri Häkkinen (coding), Mikko Kallinen (coding), Saku Lehtinen (level design) and Markus Kaarlonen (music, sound effects).

It was just one guy messing around with free DM clones and not getting anywhere...

I wouldn't call a playable build back in 2001 as not getting anywhere, but what do I know?

 

[made]

Not the same team that ultimately made LoG.

http://www.grimrock.net/2011/07/14/the-almost-human-team/

Petri's a programmer and has been programming DM clones in his spare time over the years, so obviously some of his ideas and expertise made it into the final game. Kind of like your expertise in scrutinizing RPGs and trolling forums will ultimately shine through in AoT, should it ever be released, but I still wouldn't say your team has been developing it for decades.

 

[Vault Dweller]

I hope you see the difference between trolling forums and actually working on a game that looks like a very early version of LoG, including the mushroom monster, poison cloud attack, etc. Here is a video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Put6IOUUYLI

He had a very solid foundation and years of playing with different prototypes (Dungeon Master 2000, Escape from Dragon Mountain), which means a wealth of knowledge, experience, and code. He did work on this game for more than 10 years, getting better and refining gameplay and visuals.

 

[made]

How is that different from any other modder or dev with lots of accumulated experience? Unless they reuse code and assets from earlier projects, it's an all new game that was started in 2011 as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Vault Dweller]

Because it's not a mod or some other project. It's the same game that looks nearly identical, the graphics being the most notable improvement.

 

[Zeriel]

That game looks very, very similar to the released product. Like, early alpha of the same game. As an example, D3's earlier iterations look much more different from what we actually got, and people count it as one big ten-year-dev-cycle.

 

[ohWOW]

But the truth is most gamers don't talk about games. They just don't care that much.

Not really on-topic, but GOD DAMN this.

There's a guy on the university who knows I play lol and tries to fucking talk about it with me all the time. Among other people. I feel stupid and try to derail the discussion, because who the fuck want's to hear about teemo in the fucking university.

 

[mondblut]

Perhaps LoG developer had similar hindsights, that they tried to make the casual-friendly, but casuals dropped it quick

How does it matter when casuals drop it as long as they have already paid for it?

Better to sell it to someone who won't play it, than not to sell it at all.

 

[felipepepe]

It worked on the first release, but will it work on the second one? That's the big question, if the 600,000 sales will be repeated, surpassed or never fulfilled.

 

[Davaris]

Here is a video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Put6IOUUYLI

Amazing how a game (Grimrock) can be made to look far more interesting, just by limiting some aspect of it, in this case the movement.

 

[DarkUnderlord]

Here is a video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Put6IOUUYLI

Amazing how a game (Grimrock) can be made to look far more interesting, just by limiting some aspect of it, in this case the movement.

Yeah I was noticing that. How the freer mouse movement looks nice but seems awkward and yet in Grimrock, it's all 90 degree angles and works well. Sometimes less is more.

 

[Zeriel]

Here is a video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Put6IOUUYLI

Amazing how a game (Grimrock) can be made to look far more interesting, just by limiting some aspect of it, in this case the movement.

Yeah I was noticing that. How the freer mouse movement looks nice but seems awkward and yet in Grimrock, it's all 90 degree angles and works well. Sometimes less is more.

This is how I feel about cameras in most games. It's amazing how the same exact engine and art can look so much better when the camera is either single, fixed perspective, or fixed perspective that can be toggled between several different angles.

 

[Haba]

Not to mention FPSes. All the cinematic akshun is lost when you can't be sure where the player is looking. Unless you force them.

 

[Zeriel]

Not to mention FPSes. All the cinematic akshun is lost when you can't be sure where the player is looking. Unless you force them.

Dishonored's slow-draggy camera in directed cutscenes almost made me nauseous at times.

 

[Jarpie]

All the people who bitch and whine about LoG being too lightweight-rpg and dancing around enemies...so was Dungeon Master and Chaos Strikes Back...and LoG is DM&CSB clone, it doesn't even pretend to be anything else. Did you guys really expect it to be Wizardry clone after seeing the trailers?

 

[mondblut]

All the people who bitch and whine about LoG being too lightweight-rpg and dancing around enemies...so was Dungeon Master and Chaos Strikes Back...and LoG is DM&CSB clone, it doesn't even pretend to be anything else. Did you guys really expect it to be Wizardry clone after seeing the trailers?

No. But we did expect a DM&CSB clone the disabled and the elderly wouldn't easily breeze through with only boredom to stop them.

 

[Jarpie]

All the people who bitch and whine about LoG being too lightweight-rpg and dancing around enemies...so was Dungeon Master and Chaos Strikes Back...and LoG is DM&CSB clone, it doesn't even pretend to be anything else. Did you guys really expect it to be Wizardry clone after seeing the trailers?

No. But we did expect a DM&CSB clone the disabled and the elderly wouldn't easily breeze through with only boredom to stop them.

Dungeon Master wasn't exactly hard on puzzles and the dungeon itself, and LoG was very much like DM in that regard too. Dungeon Master felt like tutorial when playing CSB, and hopefully eventual sequel to LoG will be likewise to LoG as CSB was compared to DM.

 

[evdk]

Dungeon Master wasn't exactly hard on puzzles and the dungeon itself, and LoG was very much like DM in that regard too. Dungeon Master felt like tutorial when playing CSB, and hopefully eventual sequel to LoG will be likewise to LoG as CSB was compared to DM.

Desirable, but improbable. I am afraid they will probably focus on some stupid cosmetic changes like more types of tiles (outdoor areas ahoy) and we will have another DM2 on our hands (more of the same and strangely disappointing).

 

[Jaesun]

All the people who bitch and whine about LoG being too lightweight-rpg and dancing around enemies...so was Dungeon Master and Chaos Strikes Back

I never did the combat mambo in Dungeon Master, because you can actually melee most (not all) monsters.

 

[Moribund]

It's one of the better illustrations against rtwp. Take a meaningless annoying management task and put it into quick and easy, precise steps.

 

[fizzelopeguss]

So if Cleve hired some pros and released Grimoire in two months, it would count as a two month development cycle?

None of these shitty indie games mentioned in this thread are anywhere near close to what would be called a production or development cycle in a traditional sense, more like glorified modders dabbling here and there. And maybe, just maybe if the stars align correctly we'll get to see something finished

 

[Mother Russia]

All the people who bitch and whine about LoG being too lightweight-rpg and dancing around enemies...so was Dungeon Master and Chaos Strikes Back

I never did the combat mambo in Dungeon Master, because you can actually melee most (not all) monsters.

Same with Grimrawk if you don't play on hard

 

[Johannes]

That he dabbled in this on his free time doesn't really give him anything regards the final LoG production, beyond (vital) experience. What if he'd released a finished product of the genre before, THEN start working on LoG? That the earlier projects were canned instead doesn't make them a part of LoG production.

I don't see reused assets, it's a new engine, level designer has changed too.

 

[felipepepe]

EDIT: Now I got a serious doubt, does steam counts achievments on owned or on playerd games? I.e., if you never even lauched LoG, does it still consider your data into the global stats?

EDIT2: Just lied to GabeN-sama support and said I'm a marketing student, asking about how global achiemnevt works... hope they reply.

To those who might interest, GabeN-sama finally replied me, and the achievments are from everyone that owns the game, even if they haven't even installed it:

Hello Felipe,

Thank you for contacting Steam Support.

The Global Stats are compiled from all players who own the title.

 

[Hobbit Lord of Mordor_]

Looks like they are extending the 'special discount' ($5) indefintely