Let's talk about Lacrymas' homebrew fantasy setting where paladins are eunuchs

[Reinhardt]

Given how these are RPG characters with the exact same capabilities between sexes, it's literally irrelevant.

Nigger, it's not even women adventurers you are talking about, but literal grown up incubator housewives who never been in combat before. And then SUDDENLY they are supersoldiers. They have zero qualifications for the job except yours "they are angry!"

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Given how these are RPG characters with the exact same capabilities between sexes, it's literally irrelevant.

Nigger, it's not even women adventurers you are talking about, but literal grown up incubator housewives who never been in combat before. And then SUDDENLY they are supersoldiers.

They just need a child loss in their CV, mate. Everything else they teach in barbarian college.

 

[Reinhardt]

Woman barbarian in Lacrymas setting

 

[Gangrelrumbler]

This idea came to me because one of my sister's classmates died when they were both 16. He and a friend of his were returning from a holiday, but the friend (who is also the driver) was too exhausted and fell asleep on the wheel, causing the car to swerve and hit a massive truck head-on. The driver was fine, but the classmate was instantly crushed. He was so badly maimed, the coroners didn't allow his mother to see his body because there was no recognizable body. When we went to the funeral, I saw such immense pain in her eyes and she broke down and wept like the most tragic of banshees. I couldn't imagine how that feels, but it did stay with me (this was around 8ish years ago) and was turned into this thing.

That's a pretty interesting story story, but the class is still completely bonkers. Warhammer Slayers are well adjusted compared to these people.

4. They don't usually attack the orcs, orcs attack them. It's also pretty hard to die as a soldier in this army, everyone has at least one healing potion along with clerical support.

You removed most of the dying from warfare? Are you on some religious crusade against fun or something?

 

[Heroic Liberator]

You removed most of the dying from warfare? Are you on some religious crusade against fun or something?

 

[Lacrymas]

You guys seem to take everything in this setting outside of context and without connecting anything to other parts of it.

"Why haven't the orcs outbred them yet??" <=> "You've removed the fun of war by having the humans not die so much??" (The orcs die much more frequently in battle due to no magical healing, their undead forces are a small part of their army and are still easily destroyed/made ineffective)
"Why is there population control when there are enough resources??" <=> "This is a harsh world without enough resources, why are they doing things to lower their chances of survival??" (they are expansionist always on the look out for more resources to maintain a bigger population)
"Why is there a SCHOOL for barbarians??" <=> "How can women SUDDENLY become supersoldiers when they lose a child??"

And this is just from this page. I've provided enough information to cover basically any questions about paladins and barbarians, and resource scarcity. I don't know what else to say about the cultural zeitgeist thing. I've already explained that people can't reason themselves out of this. Why weren't women allowed to sing in churches when they can obviously sing? Why are men not allowed to become barbarians when they can obviously rage? Any and all justification, however arbitrary, shaky, and dubious, is enough in these matters of cultural worldview. This also concerns the fighting classes in my setting because it's a way to affect the players and their class/race choices by the worldbuilding. Even if barbarians were supersoldiers and no-one from the regular army can be compared to them (which is not true), I'd ask the following question. Why aren't all soldiers irl trained to be special ops? Or why aren't all cops trained to be SWAT?

 

[Reinhardt]

I've provided enough information to cover basically any questions about paladins and barbarians, and resource scarcity.

And that's main problem - your information contradicts itselt at every step.

Even if barbarians were supersoldiers and no-one from the regular army can be compared to them (which is not true)

So if they even not that speshul WHY EVEN BOTHER WITH SPESHUL SCHOOLS FOR THEM? Why spending scarce resources on something regular soldiers can do better?

 

[Bara]

You guys seem to take everything in this setting outside of context and without connecting anything to other parts of it.

Okay talking to Lacrymas directly is really stupid at this point since all Lacry does is repeat the same bullshit over and over again thinking that's any sort of a justification. So I'll ask the rest of you reading this thread.

Anyone else think that quote from Lacry is really hilarious when they themselves have refused to see how putting things in the setting next to each other makes it all fall apart and that the only way it works is to ignore the bigger picture entirely?

Like shit this civilization has a expansionist mindset but they are doing forced population control in the first place? The druids can make the land fertile enough and more druids can be born every generation to do so you've literally magicked away a problem.

They also view killing other humanoids as a grave thing that should be avoided if at all possible but at the same time they have because of the expansionist mindset they'll murder orcs and take their lands.

Also pretty funny that the orcs are actually completely ineffectual and pose no real threat and their unique necormatic powers now suck so the dead summons along with the orcs are just boring things meant to be beaten down in the setting and exist for no other purpose. Once more another contrivance made to make this setting of yours fit check boxes instead of making it a actual living world.

Also pretty funny in this world where resources are so "harsh" to come by that every single person in the army gets outfitted with healing potions. Even though this is a setting where druids are supposed to make the land fertile enough to support enough yield for their current population.

 

[Reinhardt]

Why they even have "adventurers" in the world where army units is supported by clerics and every soldier have healing potions. Official request, unit dispatched, problem solved.
You describing dystopian world with total control and then suddenly random armed wommynz running in the forests and killing things. If killing is taboo then violence will be concentrated in the hands of state, not delegated to some murder hobos. Or they expect heavy armed adventurers arming themselves for flowers gathering?

 

[Lacrymas]

You guys seem to take everything in this setting outside of context and without connecting anything to other parts of it.

Okay talking to Lacrymas directly is really stupid at this point since all Lacry does is repeat the same bullshit over and over again thinking that's any sort of a justification. So I'll ask the rest of you reading this thread.

Anyone else think that quote from Lacry is really hilarious when they themselves have refused to see how putting things in the setting next to each other makes it all fall apart and that the only way it works is to ignore the bigger picture entirely?

Like shit this civilization has a expansionist mindset but they are doing forced population control in the first place? The druids can make the land fertile enough and more druids can be born every generation to do so you've literally magicked away a problem.

They also view killing other humanoids as a grave thing that should be avoided if at all possible but at the same time they have because of the expansionist mindset they'll murder orcs and take their lands.

Also pretty funny that the orcs are actually completely ineffectual and pose no real threat and their unique necormatic powers now suck so the dead summons along with the orcs are just boring things meant to be beaten down in the setting and exist for no other purpose. Once more another contrivance made to make this setting of yours fit check boxes instead of making it a actual living world.

Also pretty funny in this world where resources are so "harsh" to come by that every single person in the army gets outfitted with healing potions. Even though this is a setting where druids are supposed to make the land fertile enough to support enough yield for their current population.

^ But this is totally wrong. The druids can't make the lands fertile, they can only keep the current fertile lands maximally productive and without the weather having an affect on that. They will kill orcs when they attack them or in special cases. Like I said, it's a sin to kill irl, but... Outside of that, they are most concerned with keeping living people alive than to plop out 10 babies and have 8 of them die (because life is sacred). The orcs do pose a threat, I don't know why you think they don't. Everyone gets outfitted with healing potions because that's what comes from the healing source the churches control!

Why they even have "adventurers" in the world where army units is supported by clerics and every soldier have healing potions. Official request, unit dispatched, problem solved.

Not all soldiers are as good as an adventurer, and most of them don't have character classes. Some of them do, obviously, but it requires special training. It's also like asking why cops exist when soldiers can do their job for them. Adventurers aren't only sent on official missions (only reputable and established ones), they do their own thing and make a living doing that, instead of doing something else for a living. This is a setting in which adventuring parties should be possible because it's for a tabletop RPG.

 

[Reinhardt]

Not all soldiers are as good as an adventurer, and most of them don't have character classes. Some of them do, obviously, but it requires special training. It's also like asking why cops exist when soldiers can do their job for them. Adventurers aren't only sent on official missions (only reputable and established ones), they do their own thing and make a living doing that, instead of doing something else for a living.

Why your "adventurers" are even allowed to do anything other than "official missions"? They should be heavily regulated and be just another branch of government armed forces.

 

[Lacrymas]

You could ask the same thing about other tabletop settings. Some of them are actually inherently a part of government armed forces, like druids/clerics/paladins. Last time, a player played a Rogue who had learned her rogueness from bandit camps for example. Barbarians are a completely separate organization too, it's like asking why mercenary companies irl aren't just a branch of a government's armed forces. Different people, different goals, different mindsets.

 

[Bara]

Why they even have "adventurers" in the world where army units is supported by clerics and every soldier have healing potions. Official request, unit dispatched, problem solved.
You describing dystopian world with total control and then suddenly random armed wommynz running in the forests and killing things. If killing is taboo then violence will be concentrated in the hands of state, not delegated to some murder hobos.

Honestly sound like joining the military is a much easier life than ever being a adventurer free access to healing potions that are provided in such quantities the entire armed forces are able to always have them on hand? Anyone would take that deal and more power and safety in it rather than being a adventurer. So much for having resource issues I suppose.

Also like how Lacry now says the druids can only maintain fertility of the land can't make it and are stuck with whatever the weather gives them. If thats the case what contrivance will be pulled to justify how they're able to produce the materials to even create this potions if maintaining plant life is so hard?

I bet they'll be conjured up by the churches and don't need any herbs or water to produce.

 

[Reinhardt]

bandit camps

See? You say your setting is heavily regulated and everyone have their role already decided for them and killing is forbidden but anyone can just grab pointy stick or club, go to forest and start killing travelers for phat loot and just say "i'm adventurer!" when captured by patrol. WHERE IS YOUR FUCKING BADGE?
Your rogue just kills and robs people while in the forest but respected member of society outside of the forest. Just because he said he's gud boi and dindu nuffin. And paladins are castrated for having sex.

 

[Lacrymas]

joining the army is easier than ever being a adventurer free access to healing potions that are provided in such quantities the entire armed forces are able to always have them on hand?

Also like how Lacry now says the druids can only maintain fertility of the land can't make it and are stuck with whatever the weather gives them. If thats the case what contrivance will be pulled to justify how they're able to produce the materials to even create this potions if maintaining plant life is so hard?

I bet they'll be conjured up by the churches and don't need any herbs or water to produce.

The procreation limit is there and enforced by the churches because the druids are what keeps the land as fertile as it can get. They can't make more fertile land, just squeeze the most use out of it, so the upper limits of the food supply are inherently static. If the druids stop working their magics, it might lead to famine or lower yields which can't justify a higher population.

Adventurers also have access to healing potions, the filthiest of peasants too.

See? You say your setting is heavily regulated and everyone have their role already decided for them and killing is forbidden but anyone can just grab pointy stick or club, go to forest and start killing travelers for phat loot and just say "i'm adventurer!" when captured by patrol. WHERE IS YOUR FUCKING BADGE?
Your rogue just kills and robs people while in the forest but respected member of society outside of the forest. Just because he said he's gud boi and dindu nuffin. And paladins are castrated for having sex.

Are you not familiar with the concept of banditry? Adventurers don't have permission to kill indiscriminately and will definitely not get away with killing travelers. Unless nobody finds out.

 

[Reinhardt]

the filthiest of peasants too.

Many scarcity, very resources.

 

[Bara]

Adventurers also have access to healing potions, the filthiest of peasants too.

RESOURCE LIMITED SETTING HERE FOLKS

 

[Reinhardt]

Btw why your angry wommynz can't just... resurrect ded babies?

 

[Lacrymas]

Well, "healing potions" is a bit of a misnomer. They have more or less free access to the healing source and can use it to immediately heal, but transporting that healing source requires special vials. That's why you can't have 50 healing potions in your backpack just in case.

Btw why your angry wommynz can't just... resurrect ded babies?

There's no resurrection.

 

[Reinhardt]

There's no resurrection.

Because you wanted to make them miserable?

 

[Reinhardt]

Honestly sound like joining the military is a much easier life than ever being a adventurer free access to healing potions that are provided in such quantities the entire armed forces are able to always have them on hand? Anyone would take that deal and more power and safety in it rather than being a adventurer.

Well, imagine you are soldier and your unit found "adventurer" camp. You have only as many healing potions as you can carry and they have, well, full camp of potions. Who will win healing potion contest?

 

[Cael]

Well, "healing potions" is a bit of a misnomer. They have more or less free access to the healing source and can use it to immediately heal, but transporting that healing source requires special vials. That's why you can't have 50 healing potions in your backpack just in case.

Btw why your angry wommynz can't just... resurrect ded babies?

There's no resurrection.

Bullshit. You said earlier that common soldiers and peasants have access to healing potions. Now you are trying to retcon things because your stupidity and inconsistency has been pointed out.

 

[Lacrymas]

Peasants can request a special vial to transport a healing potion if they so require.

 

[Cael]

Peasants can request a special vial to transport a healing potion if they so require.

As the man said: RESOURCE LIMITED SETTING HERE, FOLKS!

 

[Reinhardt]

Are you not familiar with the concept of banditry? Adventurers don't have permission to kill indiscriminately and will definitely not get away with killing travelers. Unless nobody finds out.

Exactly. If you kill your victim nobody will find out. You are still adventurer. Travelers keep disappearing. Must be wild dogs.
So you can kill, rape and pillage AND have perfect alibi.