Let's talk about Lacrymas' homebrew fantasy setting where paladins are eunuchs

[Reinhardt]

If there are informants it implies that all informants know how many children people are supposed to have, otherwise they wouldn't know who should be ratted-out to the priests. Also for this to be effective the network of informants would need to be pretty extensive. That's the level of control no other fantasy setting I know about does. Which is why the clerics can simply stop adventurers from operating.

Sure, the network of informants is extensive. It literally doesn't matter, the churches have organized their shit. Why are adventurers a problem in this context?

Because they are not controlled. You literally can say "fuck you, church. i'm indy-pindy anvencha" and they can't even send you back to kitchen

 

[Storyfag]

If there are informants it implies that all informants know how many children people are supposed to have, otherwise they wouldn't know who should be ratted-out to the priests. Also for this to be effective the network of informants would need to be pretty extensive. That's the level of control no other fantasy setting I know about does. Which is why the clerics can simply stop adventurers from operating.

Sure, the network of informants is extensive. It literally doesn't matter, the churches have organized their shit.

Many resource. Very scarcity.

 

[Lacrymas]

Because they are not controlled. You literally can say "fuck you, church. i'm indy-pindy anvencha"

Not controlled in what context? Why would they say fuck you, church? How are they stopping them when adventuring is a recognized role?

Many resource. Very scarcity.

They have enough resources to do what they do because they control the population.

 

[Cael]

If there are informants it implies that all informants know how many children people are supposed to have, otherwise they wouldn't know who should be ratted-out to the priests. Also for this to be effective the network of informants would need to be pretty extensive. That's the level of control no other fantasy setting I know about does. Which is why the clerics can simply stop adventurers from operating.

Sure, the network of informants is extensive. It literally doesn't matter, the churches have organized their shit. Some babies are going to slip through the cracks. And you would have been living in a culture where not having random babies has been drilled into you since birth. Why are adventurers a problem in this context?

Oh, wow. Literally your neighbours reporting you to the authorities and the authorities have enough manpower to come knocking your door down. Literally your fellow family members reporting you to the authorities when you didn't turn up for Mass. All 100M of you.

I wonder who feeds, clothes and otherwise sustains this massive standing army of informants, clerics, soldiers and whatnot...

Scarcity, my ass.

 

[Gangrelrumbler]

If there are informants it implies that all informants know how many children people are supposed to have, otherwise they wouldn't know who should be ratted-out to the priests. Also for this to be effective the network of informants would need to be pretty extensive. That's the level of control no other fantasy setting I know about does. Which is why the clerics can simply stop adventurers from operating.

Sure, the network of informants is extensive. It literally doesn't matter, the churches have organized their shit. Why are adventurers a problem in this context?

Some pages ago Reinhardt pointed out that adventurers should be allowed only to do official missions from the church. You've replied that he could ask the same question about other fantasy settings. My point is that this criticism can't be applied to other settings because social control in these is not robust enough to make something like that feasible. On the other hand in your setting where every single pregnancy is tracked by the central government, it's easily doable.

 

[Reinhardt]

Not controlled in what context?

Nigga, they can literally ignore their roles and rules set to them just by using MAGIC phrase "i'm advencha now" and church can't do anything.

 

[Reinhardt]

You rated it "NO". Let me guess - only opressed wommyn adventurers can do it? Hear me roar!

 

[Lacrymas]

Oh, wow. Literally your neighbours reporting you to the authorities and the authorities have enough manpower to come knocking your door down. Literally your fellow family members reporting you to the authorities when you didn't turn up for Mass. All 100M of you.

I wonder who feeds, clothes and otherwise sustains this massive standing army of informants, clerics, soldiers and whatnot...

Scarcity, my ass.

Given how the population of the entire world in the year 1 AD is estimated to have been around 150 million to 300 million, a single country won't have 100 million thousands of years before that.

Some pages ago Reinhardt pointed out that adventurers should be allowed only to do official missions from the church. You've replied that he could ask the same question about other fantasy settings. My point is that this criticism can't be applied to other settings because social control in these is not robust enough to make something like that feasible. On the other hand in your setting where every single pregnancy is tracked by the central government, it's easily doable.

Having bureaucracy doesn't mean you can physically control people every day of their lives, or have the desire to do so. They just control the population due to the many problems that would arise if there is overpopulation. And again, this is self-perpetuating, you live in a culture in which you know from birth that random babies aren't allowed. I don't think the thought of having a baby without permission would even cross your mind. And why would churches want to send them only on official missions? Adventuring is their job basically, and small groups go for either personal riches or helping local problems, not business which the churches occupy themselves with.

 

[Cael]

Oh, wow. Literally your neighbours reporting you to the authorities and the authorities have enough manpower to come knocking your door down. Literally your fellow family members reporting you to the authorities when you didn't turn up for Mass. All 100M of you.

I wonder who feeds, clothes and otherwise sustains this massive standing army of informants, clerics, soldiers and whatnot...

Scarcity, my ass.

Given how the population of the entire world in the year 1 AD is estimated to have been around 150 million to 300 million, a single country won't have 100 million thousands of years before that.

Some pages ago Reinhardt pointed out that adventurers should be allowed only to do official missions from the church. You've replied that he could ask the same question about other fantasy settings. My point is that this criticism can't be applied to other settings because social control in these is not robust enough to make something like that feasible. On the other hand in your setting where every single pregnancy is tracked by the central government, it's easily doable.

Having bureaucracy doesn't mean you can physically control people every day of their lives, or have the desire to do so. They just control the population due to the many problems that would arise if there is overpopulation. And why would churches want to send them only on official missions? Adventuring is their job basically, and small groups go for either personal riches or helping local problems, not business which the churches occupy themselves with.

In a land of 1000 people, 100 are priests, 300 are army, 50 are paladins, 50 are barbarians, 200 are children, 50 are adventurers and the other 250 are informing on each other. In this land, you end up in jail for getting pregnant without a license. In this land, you starve to death because of the 250, 125 are females and only useful as organic incubators, and the other 125 are busy looking at who turned up at Mass and who is looking a bit fat.

The only reason this land survives is because of massive author fiat.

 

[Storyfag]

Many resource. Very scarcity.

They have enough resources to do what they do because they control the population.

Copium.

Anyway, I'm not entirely certain the Nine Hells are more tyrannical than your setting. The Church of Bane is a charity in comparison.

 

[Gangrelrumbler]

Having bureaucracy doesn't mean you can physically control people every day of their lives, or have the desire to do so. They just control the population due to the many problems that would arise if there is overpopulation.

Having a bureaucracy extensive enough to support such system and informants to help enforce it is all you need to dictate how should the adventurers conduct their business. What is harder? Making sure that nobody in the country is getting slippy about making sure that every pregnancy is well documented or checking in from on bands of armed vagrants that go in and out of town.
Other settings don't have that problem because the local government doesn't do either of these things.

And why would churches want to send them only on official missions? Adventuring is their job basically, and small groups go for either personal riches or helping local problems, not business which the churches occupy themselves with.

Because it's better to not have bands of armed men going around your countryside answering only to themselves. Also why wouldn't they do it? If everyone has to get his ass to the church to get official stamped permission to have vaginal sex for what reason not have them also get their ass to church to get their stamp whenever they want to hire armed killers to solve their problems. Or for that matter why don't have people officially register their band of murderhobos whenever they want to start one.

 

[Reinhardt]

Also it's easier to register lvl 1 murderhobos than lvl 5 ones.
And btw they must be registered because... they are part of fucking population!
So when druid doing his fertility juju it's "we have 1000 people in this town to feed", not "we have 300 people + who knows how many murderhobos"

 

[Reinhardt]

Lacrymas

Ok, how woman is punished for having unplanned baby then? Killing is taboo, so i guess abortion too.

 

[Lacrymas]

Having bureaucracy doesn't mean you can physically control people every day of their lives, or have the desire to do so. They just control the population due to the many problems that would arise if there is overpopulation.

Having a bureaucracy extensive enough to support such system and informants to help enforce it is all you need to dictate how should the adventurers conduct their business. What is harder? Making sure that nobody in the country is getting slippy about making sure that every pregnancy is well documented or checking in from on bands of armed vagrants that go in and out of town.
Other settings don't have that problem because the local government doesn't do either of these things.

And why would churches want to send them only on official missions? Adventuring is their job basically, and small groups go for either personal riches or helping local problems, not business which the churches occupy themselves with.

Because it's better to not have bands of armed men going around your countryside answering only to themselves. Also why wouldn't they do it? If everyone has to get his ass to the church to get official stamped permission to have vaginal sex for what reason not have them also get their ass to church to get their stamp whenever they want to hire armed killers to solve their problems. Or for that matter why don't have people officially register their band of murderhobos whenever they want to start one.

They don't "answer only to themselves" and they aren't "going around the coutryside". It's a desert. There is actually a ritual that initiates the adventurers, they also receive some weapons and 3 vials each. You would easily be recognized as an adventurer just by the weapons and the three vials on your belt. A government controlling an aspect of people's lives doesn't mean they want to control everything. We aren't allowed to do drugs for example, but that doesn't mean the government has installed cameras in our toilets.

Lacrymas

Ok, how woman is punished for having unplanned baby then? Killing is taboo, so i guess abortion too.

The baby is taken away to become a paladin in most cases. If it's a dwarf or a halfling, the woman is allowed to keep it, but she's a social pariah forever.

 

[Reinhardt]

but she's a social pariah forever.

And what it means? No more healing potions for her?

 

[ERYFKRAD]

How is the population control extensive?

It literally only requires a woman to ask for permission to have a baby.

And like I said, it's granted most of the time, it's only not granted in extreme circumstances (lost land, too many children, not enough druids for one reason or another).

Then why i anyone even gonna ask if it's just a formality. And then why bother with resource scarcity if they are gonna get loaded whenever they wanna?

 

[Stella Brando]

witchers?

And after witchers?

bitchers.

 

[Cryomancer]

I said that my tundra setting was the opposite of Lacrymas but in reality, it is the The Principalities of Glantri

 

[Gangrelrumbler]

Hey, I also watch that guy. Nice to see someone being so passionate about a setting not many people still give a damn.

 

[Cryomancer]

Hey, I also watch that guy. Nice to see someone being so passionate about a setting not many people still give a damn.

Glantri is arcane caster suppremacy elevated to the last consequences. Mystara also has Alphatian empire which is magic supremacy elevated to the last consequences but no differentiation between clerics, sorcerers, bards, wizards and etc. There also tropical islands, northern viking cultures, and everything in between. Mystara is probably the fictional world with most diversity ever.

And honestly, the concept of Immortals seems way more interesting than Gods.

 

[Delterius]

any implications the wizard supremacist council isn't democratic is soviet propaganda

 

[whydoibother]

Reminder that Lacrymas had issues killing the first vampire in Solasta, despite having 2 eunuchs in his party.

 

[fantadomat]

Reminder that Lacrymas had issues killing the first vampire in Solasta, despite having 2 eunuchs in his party.

It is annoying fight to be honest. The bitch does regen a lot and also leech when attacking.

 

[Lacrymas]

Reminder that Lacrymas had issues killing the first vampire in Solasta, despite having 2 eunuchs in his party.

If by "had issues" you mean "killed on the second try", sure.

 

[Cryomancer]

Paladins eunuchs are pretty dan good on Solasta. Probably my favorite martial class in the game. His smite is pretty good and their AC also pretty good. I really wish that they include Barbarian class. Raging powers seems way cooler on 5E