Let's talk about Lacrymas' homebrew fantasy setting where paladins are eunuchs

[ERYFKRAD]

homophobic laws have existed and still exist

capitalism is built on unjust laws.

unjust laws

 

[Lacrymas]

If I have no right to say which laws are unjust in our world, you have no right to tell the people in my setting which of their laws are unjust.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Some people would say capitalism is built on unjust laws.

Just this: is the exhortation of some people grounds enough to declare a law unjust?

If I have no right to say which laws are unjust in our world, you have no right to tell the people in my setting which of their laws are unjust.

Nix, I'm just not very clear on your metric of just/unjust laws.
And the people in your settings have bigger problems than laws, I should think.

 

[Lacrymas]

Just this: is the exhortation of some people grounds enough to declare a law unjust?

Yes, as has been demonstrated in our society many times over, especially before the advent of modern democracy, but it happens regularly now too.

 

[Larianshill]

Somehow, this thread is still going on.

 

[SoupNazi]

I still wish you just bit the bullet and organized a game for Codexers, Lacrymas - I'm sure there are a few open-minded people here curious to give your setting a shot. We can all theorize all we want, but in the end the important thing is if it can make a fun setting for a game.

 

[Cryomancer]

ome people would say capitalism is built on unjust laws.

And they are wrong. Look to any country which in one or two generations raised from misery into a developed country. Singapore, Estonia, all very capitalist. In fact, every country which adopted more socialism failed hard. Argentina was richer than USA and Canada, then Peronism ruined the country. Chile, will be ruined soon with the new constituition.

Your setting is a low fantasy desert totalitarian state church controlled world. That is exactly the opposite of my taste for fantasy worlds. I love Glantri on Mystara, Netherese on FR and honestly wish that I could play 2E test of Warlords.

 

[Gangrelrumbler]

Speaking of the fantasy settings where arcane casters aren't hogging all the spotlight everyone should check Glorantha, setting of Codex approved classic King of Dragon Pass.

 

[Robert Erick]

"People don't follow unjust laws", yeah, tell that to race mix and gay couples. Miscegenation and homophobic laws have existed and still exist. Some people would say capitalism is built on unjust laws.

"Why does the church "hate" babies?" - they don't hate them, they just don't allow you to plop out dozens of them. There aren't enough resources because it's a desert world, and the church believes all life is sacred, so there's no weaseling out by saying "just let the majority of born babies die due to scarce resources". That would be an abomination to them.

I think the church is a useless middleman in this when you can just have your people curb their growth with birth control, abortions or throwing unwanted babies in a pit like it happened in irl. It would also let said church allocate the scarce resources to something else instead of wasting time having to oversee every birth.

Edit: I forgot to address the "all life is sacred to them". I know you're big on absolutism and on draconian control of society, but you can also have the church turn a blind eye to what people are doing and make them hypocrites who go against their own beliefs in the name of survival. Which is also what happens in irl.

 

[Bara]

Somehow, this thread is still going on.

Aye this thread you birthed by a innocent question will forever be apart of the dex. Bless and curse you Larianshill.

 

[MartinK]

Speaking of the fantasy settings where arcane casters aren't hogging all the spotlight everyone should check Glorantha, setting of Codex approved classic King of Dragon Pass.

Because everyone is a "divine caster" in Glorantha as not such thing as "arcane magic" exists. Sorcery comes close being rationalistic instead of extatic but is still at its core derived form the Invisible God. If you want a setting where casters do not hog all the spotlight how about... wait for it... HAVE NO FUCKING CASTERS IN YOUR SETTING AT ALL?!!!

 

[Gangrelrumbler]

Because everyone is a "divine caster" in Glorantha as not such thing as "arcane magic" exists. Sorcery comes close being rationalistic instead of extatic but is still at its core derived form the Invisible God.

Yeah, but Sorcerers function pretty similarly to arcane casters in other games. So you can have them in your setting and not make it illogical for them not to run everything.

If you want a setting where casters do not hog all the spotlight how about... wait for it... HAVE NO FUCKING CASTERS IN YOUR SETTING AT ALL?!!!

That comes with an added problem of removing a mechanic/archetype that many people enjoy. Even if the sorcery is connected to the divines you can still play as an old wizard trying to crack the source-code of the universe in order to get more power.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Speaking of the fantasy settings where arcane casters aren't hogging all the spotlight everyone should check Glorantha, setting of Codex approved classic King of Dragon Pass.

Because everyone is a "divine caster" in Glorantha as not such thing as "arcane magic" exists. Sorcery comes close being rationalistic instead of extatic but is still at its core derived form the Invisible God. If you want a setting where casters do not hog all the spotlight how about... wait for it... HAVE NO FUCKING CASTERS IN YOUR SETTING AT ALL?!!!

You hear the sounds of an agonized Meredith screaming in the distance.

 

[Gangrelrumbler]

Speaking of the fantasy settings where arcane casters aren't hogging all the spotlight everyone should check Glorantha, setting of Codex approved classic King of Dragon Pass.

Because everyone is a "divine caster" in Glorantha as not such thing as "arcane magic" exists. Sorcery comes close being rationalistic instead of extatic but is still at its core derived form the Invisible God. If you want a setting where casters do not hog all the spotlight how about... wait for it... HAVE NO FUCKING CASTERS IN YOUR SETTING AT ALL?!!!

You hear the sounds of an agonized Meredith screaming in the distance.

I was going to mention S0rcererV1ct0r, but I see that he goes as Meredith now. I was wondering why I don't see any posts by Victor anymore.

 

[Cael]

Either you have magic, or you don't. The very idea one magic is better than the other when any type of magic, by definition, defies "normal" is woke retardism at its best.

 

[Lacrymas]

I think the church is a useless middleman in this when you can just have your people curb their growth with birth control, abortions or throwing unwanted babies in a pit like it happened in irl. It would also let said church allocate the scarce resources to something else instead of wasting time having to oversee every birth.

They don't so much oversee births as much as just record official ones. It's assumed the population at large will do everything in their power to not have random kids. Of course some babies will slip through the cracks, but they won't be in the registers if something happens to get the church's attention. It really doesn't matter who enforces this rule, the important thing is to avoid needless deaths. I don't know what the stance on abortion is going to be. I was thinking that a baby is not considered a person until both the moon and the sun have shone their light on the infant (maybe also the sands of the desert have touched its feet, but I don't want it to be so symmetrical in everything), so abortion is fine. Yes, this leads to a period of time in a fugue state in which the baby is born and is not considered a person yet. I think that's interesting and might leave it as is.

This leads to the question of why the personhood of the baby is important and not of the birthing agent. It's the same reason why that is the case irl too - because we hate women and/or disregard their desires. I don't think anyone would pose this question when reading this about the setting anyway, but I suppose it's worth saying just in case.

 

[MartinK]

That comes with an added problem of removing a mechanic/archetype that many people enjoy. Even if the sorcery is connected to the divines you can still play as an old wizard trying to crack the source-code of the universe in order to get more power.

People who do play wizards generally do so because wizards have special powers. If they want to play an elderly guy trying to crack the source-code of the universe they can play a philosopher or a scientist.

 

[Gangrelrumbler]

That comes with an added problem of removing a mechanic/archetype that many people enjoy. Even if the sorcery is connected to the divines you can still play as an old wizard trying to crack the source-code of the universe in order to get more power.

People who do play wizards generally do so because wizards have special powers. If they want to play an elderly guy trying to crack the source-code of the universe they can play a philosopher or a scientist.

Yes but these people would also not like their wizard character to be some anime super-man shooting fire from their fingers because of power of friendship. Wizard players want wizards to be wizards.

 

[Cryomancer]

creaming in the distance.

Nope. Low magical or no magical settings can be quite good and fun to play. Fallout New Vegas is among my favorite games and there are zero magic in there. What I really hate is when magic exists and is worthless. In fact, if you look to screenshot thread, I posted a lot of FPS screenshots and screenshots from games like War Thunder, BF1, BFBC2 and Heroes & Generals.

 

[Gangrelrumbler]

What I really hate is when magic exists and is worthless.

What do you mean by that? Any examples?

 

[ERYFKRAD]

What I really hate is when magic exists and is worthless.

What do you mean by that? Any examples?

All of them.

 

[Cryomancer]

What I really hate is when magic exists and is worthless.

What do you mean by that? Any examples?

Like NWN2 vanilla, where your caster is only useful on crafting magical items to martial classes and teh gameplay is being stripped of all buffs in front line after talking to the boss, in ground "dying" while play with your martial classes in your party. With spell fixes, the game becomes great. Pillars of Eternity 1/2 also has extremely lackluster spellcasting. So Awful that I would prefer not seeing any magic in those games.

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One medieval RPG with no fantasy that I like is Mount & Blade. Playing as a Hussar is quite interesting. There are mods which add magic to the game, but throwing "fire lances" and throwing Javelins are almost the same thing. Magic is more just a skin than something "magical".

 

[Gangrelrumbler]

What I really hate is when magic exists and is worthless.

What do you mean by that? Any examples?

Like NWN2 vanilla, where your caster is only useful on crafting magical items to martial classes and teh gameplay is being stripped of all buffs in front line after talking to the boss, in ground "dying" while play with your martial classes in your party. With spell fixes, the game becomes great. Pillars of Eternity 1/2 also has extremely lackluster spellcasting. So Awful that I would prefer not seeing any magic in those games.

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One medieval RPG with no fantasy that I like is Mount & Blade. Playing as a Hussar is quite interesting. There are mods which add magic to the game, but throwing "fire lances" and throwing Javelins are almost the same thing. Magic is more just a skin than something "magical".

Now I get it. I thought that you've meant that magic in-universe is useless.

 

[NJClaw]

Lacrymas

I'm still waiting for that one-shot you promised

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Lacrymas

I'm still waiting for that one-shot you promised

Suicide won't solve anything.