Let's talk about Lacrymas' homebrew fantasy setting where paladins are eunuchs

[MajorMace]

Lacrymas, can't you just tell your fellow codexers that you'll rework your setting ?
Don't you see how upset it makes them ?

 

[Lacrymas]

Because there is no such thing of which you speak.

Sauce.

How can I prove a negative? You have to prove such people exist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Mitnick

It seems like we can catch such people and they don't lord over powers which make them unaccountable to anyone.

 

[Reinhardt]

At for my setting, my main premise was the removal of all traces of the arcane.

Fag! You stole my setting! Next you will say your slavetraders are black and brown!

 

[Lacrymas]

Lacrymas, can't you just tell your fellow codexers that you'll rework your setting ?
Don't you see how upset it makes them ?

People fetishize arcane spellcasters and that's why I always get this reaction when I mention I don't have arcane magic in my setting.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Imagine being afraid of men in dresses lmao, mages are bitches.

 

[Grunker]

Infinitron how does Lacrymas not have an autist-tag after this thread

Because it should be a possibly retarded tag.

...possibly?

 

[Storyfag]

Because there is no such thing of which you speak.

Sauce.

How can I prove a negative? You have to prove such people exist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Mitnick

It seems like we can catch such people and they don't lord over powers which make them unaccountable to anyone.

Explain how mages lord over powers which make them unaccountable to anyone.

 

[Lacrymas]

Uhm, they have magical powers which alter reality?

 

[Parabalus]

Uhm, they have magical powers which alter reality?

But so do clerics and druids.

Are DnD Wizards born with their spellcasting abilities?

I have always claimed that only wizards who are born with the right genes to learn magic are fascy, so this is a total non-sequitur. It's not that they hold such beliefs, but that it's a fascy concept.

Doesn't this also apply to divine casters? They also need stats.

Stats aren't an in-universe justification.

They are, clerics are elevated above others by virtue of their piousness and other attributes, similar to wizards and sorcerers.

 

[Lacrymas]

Yes, clerics and druids too, that's why I limit their power to the sixth circle. And basically nobody has achieved that, only legendary saints. They are also accountable to the other churches and factions like the military and their own Paladins. Virtue and piety aren't in-born.

 

[Generic-Giant-Spider]

Still better than 5th Edition.

 

[Cael]

Uhm, they have magical powers which alter reality?

Clerics, druids, favoured souls, artificers, monks, any class from Tome of Battle. Anyone who does more than swing a sword or fire a bow alters reality. And yet you only go after arcane casters.

 

[Storyfag]

Uhm, they have magical powers which alter reality?

But so do clerics and druids.

And Paladins. And, if need be, Inquisitors, Witch Hunters, etc, etc.

Are DnD Wizards born with their spellcasting abilities?

I have always claimed that only wizards who are born with the right genes to learn magic are fascy, so this is a total non-sequitur. It's not that they hold such beliefs, but that it's a fascy concept.

Doesn't this also apply to divine casters? They also need stats.

Stats aren't an in-universe justification.

They are, clerics are elevated above others by virtue of their piousness and other attributes, similar to wizards and sorcerers.

More to the point, stats are the direct representation of a character's in-universe qualities. Someone who in-universe is observed to be very strong will have a very high STR score. Likewise, someone with a high INT stat will be observed in-universe to be very intelligent.

 

[Storyfag]

Infinitron how does Lacrymas not have an autist-tag after this thread

Because it should be a possibly retarded tag.

...possibly?

I was being generous. <LaCroix> forgive me </LaCroix>

Yes, clerics and druids too, that's why I limit their power to the sixth circle. And basically nobody has achieved that, only legendary saints. They are also accountable to the other churches and factions like the military and their own Paladins. Virtue and piety aren't in-born.

So what stops making wizards similarily restricted to the sixth circle and accountable to other wizard guilds and factions like the military and the churches' Paladins?

 

[Yosharian]

 

[Lacrymas]

So what stops making wizards similarily restricted to the sixth circle and accountable to other wizard guilds and factions like the military and the churches' Paladins?

Nothing, I already said that. Outside of the attempt to resist by nerds. I did it this way because I thought it would be an easier sell to restrict the power of divine casters (they already bring connotations of religious dogma with them), and because I personally don't enjoy arcane spellcasters in D&D.

 

[Cael]

Infinitron how does Lacrymas not have an autist-tag after this thread

Because it should be a possibly retarded tag.

...possibly?

I was being generous. <LaCroix> forgive me </LaCroix>

Yes, clerics and druids too, that's why I limit their power to the sixth circle. And basically nobody has achieved that, only legendary saints. They are also accountable to the other churches and factions like the military and their own Paladins. Virtue and piety aren't in-born.

So what stops making wizards similarily restricted to the sixth circle and accountable to other wizard guilds and factions like the military and the churches' Paladins?

Dragon Age is a setting that neutered casters. Something similar would still be a better excuse than "wizards are fascists, so I am not having them in my game!!!"

 

[Storyfag]

Infinitron how does Lacrymas not have an autist-tag after this thread

Because it should be a possibly retarded tag.

...possibly?

I was being generous. <LaCroix> forgive me </LaCroix>

Yes, clerics and druids too, that's why I limit their power to the sixth circle. And basically nobody has achieved that, only legendary saints. They are also accountable to the other churches and factions like the military and their own Paladins. Virtue and piety aren't in-born.

So what stops making wizards similarily restricted to the sixth circle and accountable to other wizard guilds and factions like the military and the churches' Paladins?

Dragon Age is a setting that neutered casters. Something similar would still be a better excuse than "wizards are fascists, so I am not having them in my game!!!"

True, and we all know Dragon Age is a terrible setting. Given how Lacryxir's setting is worse, the original question of who the fuck would play it is a really good one.

 

[Lacrymas]

All the players with whom I played enjoyed it, they even asked me to make a "sequel" (because it was a one-shot) to continue their characters' stories and the setting. We are planning to play it again with different people too.

 

[Storyfag]

So what stops making wizards similarily restricted to the sixth circle and accountable to other wizard guilds and factions like the military and the churches' Paladins?

Nothing, I already said that. Outside of the attempt to resist by nerds. I did it this way because I thought it would be an easier sell to restrict the power of divine casters (they already bring connotations of religious dogma with them), and because I personally don't enjoy arcane spellcasters in D&D.

Oh, ok, so your *actual* argument is "I don't like wizards and dealing with wizard players". That I can respect. Pity you tried to sell it wrapped up in pseudo-philosophical mumbo jumbo at first.

 

[Storyfag]

All the players with whom I played enjoyed it, they even asked me to make a "sequel" (because it was a one-shot) to continue their characters' stories and the setting. We are planning to play it again with different people too.

All the cardinals who elected me pope say you are full of shit.

 

[Ol' Willy]

All the cardinals who elected me pope say you are full of shit.

All the bullshit justification aside, it's just a low-magic setting. Nothing unusual

 

[Lacrymas]

My actual argument outside of everything else is I don't like how plot-insulation-y arcane magic is and can be because it doesn't have clear limits. Divine magic is at least limited by theme and then necessarily further limited by dogma/ideology/deities/whatever.

 

[Cael]

Infinitron how does Lacrymas not have an autist-tag after this thread

Because it should be a possibly retarded tag.

...possibly?

I was being generous. <LaCroix> forgive me </LaCroix>

Yes, clerics and druids too, that's why I limit their power to the sixth circle. And basically nobody has achieved that, only legendary saints. They are also accountable to the other churches and factions like the military and their own Paladins. Virtue and piety aren't in-born.

So what stops making wizards similarily restricted to the sixth circle and accountable to other wizard guilds and factions like the military and the churches' Paladins?

Dragon Age is a setting that neutered casters. Something similar would still be a better excuse than "wizards are fascists, so I am not having them in my game!!!"

True, and we all know Dragon Age is a terrible setting. Given how Lacryxir's setting is worse, the original question of who the fuck would play it is a really good one.

The funny part is: wait till he runs into psionics.

 

[Storyfag]

My actual argument outside of everything else is I don't like how plot-insulation-y arcane magic is and can be because it doesn't have clear limits. Divine magic is at least limited by theme and then necessarily further limited by dogma/ideology/deities/whatever.

I'm sorry but every 9th circle spell, including Wish has clearly defined limits. Your argument is further invalidated by your own statements that
a) your world is liimted to 6th circle spells - and only for legendary figures
b) clerics and druids in your world DO use their powers for any goal they wish, as long as theycan get away with it.