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[Nevill]

Guyse, guyse! The odds! They are good again!

Qilin will tell you that she won't go anywhere by herself, that you don't need to worry and that you should do what you feel is right.

So, basically, the same word-to-word answer that she would have given us if we asked her what she thinks about our marriage solution. And probably with a smile, too.

These answers seem to have a strong undercurrent of "If you know it bothers me enough for you to ask questions, why the hell are you asking me how I feel insted of doing something about it?"

It really is doubtful that Nie has anything to say to us that would change our positions at this point, we are on opposite sides by choice and inclination.

I don't know if our goal with A (or with any other option) is necessarily to change our position (don't know how you arrived to that one). For me it is to get some things that might endanger the whole operation out of the way. But if you want an immediate benefit associated with that, well...

We still don't know what Wuxing's agenda is (besides the obvious part) and how he will approach matters. It looks like he might try and pressure you into silence (because really, what else is there to discuss between the two of you?). It would be good to take a look into his hand and to see what leverage, if any, he has over us. Qi Liuwu's life? Hostages? The Fire Temple's safety (hey, if the Wudu know about it, someone else might)? At least then we might be able to plan out counter-offensive around that.

Know your enemy.

 

[Fangshi]

I don't know if our goal with A (or with any other option) is necessarily to change our position (don't know how you arrived to that one).

Well we lack the numbers to actually win out should this come to a vote. I should hope that at least one of these options has the potential to improve our position or there was little point coming to the island to begin with. (We could be watching beggar fights right now!) So naturally I am looking for an option that can achieve that. Now unless we want to ambush and murder Nie right now to take his sword I do not see A helping us with much as far as the conference goes.

We still don't know what Wuxing's agenda is and how he will approach matters. It looks like he will try to pressure you into silence. It would be good to take a look into his hand and to see what leverage, if any, he has over us. Qi Liuwu's life? Hostages? The Fire Temple's safety (hey, if the Wudu know about it, someone else might)? At least then we might be able to plan out counter-offensive around that.

Know your enemy.

Not terribly compelling to be honest.

I would need something more than the possibility of information that may be important to convince me to flop to A.

Liuwu can look after himself, and if he can't then we should never have run off to play with SWORDS!!! oh god it is all our fault!! he has had a good run. We do not have anyone important that he could take as hostages and he will not be able to harm the Cult in the short to mid term from what I can tell. He has nothing to offer us that we could want and very little to threaten us with. As I said before we are enemies and I doubt anything that either party could say will shift those positions at this point.

So A is a bit of a waste unless you are worried about Qilin, personally I trust her. (And if she dies we have like ten girls now, we have spares...)

 

[Nevill]

Well, they want to see us for something, so I assume they don't feel it is a waste of their time despite the fact that we don't have much to offer each other. I intend to find out what it is. It might be a straight-up ambush (though I find it unlikely they would want to muddy up the waters when it looks like they are ahead), or it might be something more.

And of course I am worried about Qilin, not to mention I don't want to ignore the fact we just gave her our word to come through this together.

I also assume that if we married her, this choice here would have been a lot less critical and controversial.

 

[Fangshi]

Well, they want to see us for something, so I assume they don't feel it is a waste of their time despite the fact that we don't have much to offer each other. And I intend to find out what it is.

Maybe they want to kill us? Nie really does not like Jing after all.

Maybe they know they are winning and they simply want to waste our time?

Maybe he wants to offer us a job or reveal some compelling reason why we should work with them (out of compassion or pragmatism or _______)? Though I doubt we would accept at this point.

The are a lot of possible reasons for them to want to meet us but I am having trouble coming up with good reasons to go and meet them aside from curiosity and Qilin.

 

[treave]

These answers seem to have a strong undercurrent of "If you know it bothers me enough for you to ask questions, why the hell are you asking me how I feel insted of doing something about it?"

Let's face it, if she says 'I really want to go and meet them' she's going to look like a stubborn, useless, selfish bitch trying to emotionally blackmail you into going with her. And then comes the request for Jing to thoroughly explain and rationalize his plan to her because what she'll be persuaded by right now is exactly a lengthy discourse on why Xu Jing is always right.

edit: Disclaimer - This has no bearing on whether or not she'll actually go to meet them alone or which choice is the 'right' one. Just that said questions, at least the way they are phrased, are asking for an obvious answer.

 

[Nevill]

Maybe they want to kill us? Nie really does not like Jing after all.

I don't see the conference continuing if Jing vanishes from the island after meeting with the head of the opposing block. The meeting is a public knowledge right now, since all our friends were there in the room. As far as Wuxing's public face is concerned, it would be a disaster.

They would not risk it when there is a chance they can win 'fairly'.

Maybe they know they are winning and they simply want to waste our time?

But as far as they know, we can't affect the votes. Qingfeng and Lanhai are in their pockets. Liu Qi is Su Cheng's minion, and Taishan are firmly in cahoots with Huashan. zhang Minyue is a zhang sent to the conference by none other than manlou, and we killed her other brother.

I don't think they even fathom things could go awry in that department.

I don't know what they have to say, but the reasons you mentioned don't quite fit.

 

[Nevill]

Let's face it, if she says 'I really want to go and meet them' she's going to look like a stubborn, useless, selfish bitch trying to emotionally blackmail you into going with her. And then comes the request for Jing to thoroughly explain and rationalize his plan to her because what she'll be persuaded by right now is exactly a lengthy discourse on why Xu Jing is always right.

But it worked for her marriage! She even agreed that everyone would be happy with that outcome!

I don't get what more does she want from us!

You know you are defining new boundaries of 'sadistic' when you have the girl in love with you confirm she is happy that you are marrying the other girl.

 

[Smashing Axe]

A

We'll be fine. Of the gathered, we'll have had slept with half of them. That makes people emotionally invested in our well-being, right?

 

[a cut of domestic sheep prime]

A

We'll be fine. Of the gathered, we'll have had slept with half of them. That makes people emotionally invested in our well-being, right?

Clearly what we need is to increase that number.
Killl Nie Wuxing and have hot post-fight mother & two daughters (Qilin and Bai) sex foursome.

Must...resist...urge to flop...

 

[Absinthe]

You guys are acting like this is the only time Qilin could possibly meet with her mother.

The timing is shit, we're all certain this is a trap, and we still need to establish a voting majority.

 

[Nevill]

Kill Nie Wuxing and have hot post-fight mother & two daughters (Qilin and Bai) sex foursome.

Must...resist...urge to flop...

Stay strong, bro! You know the 'Dex will botch up the order by killing Madam Nie and BJ instead, and it will all go south from there.

 

[Baltika9]

These answers seem to have a strong undercurrent of "If you know it bothers me enough for you to ask questions, why the hell are you asking me how I feel insted of doing something about it?"

Let's face it, if she says 'I really want to go and meet them' she's going to look like a stubborn, useless, selfish bitch trying to emotionally blackmail you into going with her. And then comes the request for Jing to thoroughly explain and rationalize his plan to her because what she'll be persuaded by right now is exactly a lengthy discourse on why Xu Jing is always right.

To be fair, this is exactly how we think.

 

[Absinthe]

A

We'll be fine. Of the gathered, we'll have had slept with half of them. That makes people emotionally invested in our well-being, right?

You realize we need one more vote (4/9 right now) for a majority? A is not going to deliver on that.

 

[Baltika9]

None of them are guaranteed to deliver anything at all (I thing the Taishan guy is a lost case and the zhang girl is a lying patsy sent here to do manlou's bidding), but this lets us get into our enemy's head. I'm primarily going for A because of Qilin, but it had its own advantages add well and could give us the answers we need to win this, at the cost of risk to ourselves. And it could even end up being more productive than the other choices since we really have nothing on the people we're trying to persuade.

The only choice that goes straitght for the Xuanyuan and guarantees victory if succesful is E.

 

[Nevill]

Who needs votes when we can get SWORDS?

With INT 8, PER 9 and Taiji, Jing will slay Nie Wuxing with WQS and get one extra legendary sword instead of beating around the bush and begging others to join his cause (which will definitely fail anyway since we only have 7 CHA).

Plus, since Nie Wuxing is a master, there is a possibility of a skill boost.

I think the odds are good for A.

 

[Absinthe]

See, Nevill, the problem here isn't the numbers. It's that you're misusing them. "I'm stupid" is not a valid argument against numbers.

 

[Kz3r0]

By my completely wrong count A has already ten votes or more considering thr conditionals.
Flopping to
A
by the way.

 

[Nevill]

Ah, the numbers. The always relevant numbers. They are never a problem, indeed. It would be stupid to argue against them. They just are, much as techniques are just there as a measure of how far we have progressed since the beginning of the game.

But the arguments some build on the numbers from the character sheet alone never cease to amuse me.

Let me do a quick review about numbers, then.

Xuxian's test.
Arguments by the numbers:

WQS! Xianlong Leipo Claws! Abbott tough! Xuxian experienced, has much neigong! Formation-busting aerial assault! Arhats frail! Qi leeching! WQS! 1 man is less than 18! Good odds! Shouwang Claws will maim the Abbott! Terrible odds!

Actually relevant arguments:

Xuxian is afraid of the Abbott, but has no qualms about facing the Arhats.

The fight with Qingfeng and Lanhai.
Arguments by the numbers:

Yifang! Wow! Best swordsman! 8 swords! Such odds! Swords vs swords! +1 swords! We can WQS to raise swords! Vermillion Pheasant! Double legendary swords! Guihe formation! WQS! Best odds! Much swords! Bad Yunzi, killer Yunzi! No odds at all!

Actually relevant arguments:

The twin swords of Gan Jiang and Mo Ye were made by a couple and were not meant to be separated. The gimmick behind the swords is that they always belonged to a husband and wife, so it stands to reason that the techniques developed with these swords may have love as an underlying theme. You should face them with someone you love.

The Demon Swordsman Fight.
Arguments by the numbers:

Good odds! WQS! INT 8! WQS! Qi leeching! Neigong boost! PER 9! Trump card! Better odds! WQS! Order mode! Secret Juiyin technique! CHA 7! Definite fail! Taiji! WQS! Chaos mode! Best odds!

Actually relevant arguments:

Don't try to copy a demon.

I look forward to hearing about the relevant numbers (and the odds) all the way until the end of the LP. It is obvious that they are key in the decision making process.

 

[Kz3r0]

The Demon Swordsman Fight.
Arguments by the numbers:

Good odds! WQS! INT 8! WQS! Qi leeching! Neigong boost! PER 9! Trump card! Better odds! WQS! Order mode! Secret Juiyin technique! CHA 7! Definite fail! Taiji! WQS! Chaos mode! Best odds!

Actually relevant arguments:

Don't try to copy a demon.

treave
This one is a good point, by mimickying his qi we get possessed expecially because to use WQS we need to be in order mode and is our chaotic qi that harms demons, however the demon should be destroyed as we return to chaotic mode unless the demon prevents that, shouldn't this be an indication that there is something wrong?

 

[Nevill]

I believe the question was raised earlier. The answer seems to be that this case was special:

So the natural state of our qi is poisonous to spirits right? And we can not keep WQS active forever so what happens when order gives way to chaos with the Demon inside us? Would that not kill the Demon?

If it is a traditional demon of the possess-the-humans variety, and with an actual will and spiritual body of its own, in the first place.

I have no idea if it was possible to deduce anything of a sort, but we chose to pursue an option without doing any prior research into our enemy, so it's not like we can complain.

 

[Azira]

Random thoughts, which might be a spoiler? If I've somehow figured out some of treave's story?

Spoiler

No. This is like Planescape Torment. The demon represented the crazy part of You Shie (or whatever the one who challenged the heavens was called in that intermission), Jing is the non-crazy part of him.
By defeating the Demon, Jing was forced to hold both parts in one body. The "possession" is a fact. You Shie learnt to live with it. If Jing can do the same isn't certain however.

 

[Nevill]

Random thoughts, which might be a spoiler? If I've somehow figured out some of treave's story?

Spoiler

Azira, I'll refer you to this post.

 

[Elfberserker]

How the demon exist us in anyway?

Sword demon had dark Qi or something like that, but I still don't know how much of that qi was his or how much of that was the demon.
I think the answer lies Xu Jing first noticing that something weird is indeed in his Qi and perhaps investigate it.

Remember people, Xu Jing has noe idea he is possesed. First step to purge the demon is to make Jing aware of it....Which makes it hard since we chose most Jing like respond to it.

..........................


As for who to choose, we must remember that we will get wingmate in each choice.

A. You meet with Nie Wuxing. Qilin is not likely to stay away even if you tell her to, so you will have to bring her along. Regardless of Nie’s plans, you think it is probably best to hear out what he has to say - it is likely to be important.

B. You go with Lingshu to meet Liu Qi. If you can sway him away from supporting his master, you would gain the majority in this conference, as well as obtain another orthodox ally on your side.

C. You head off to meet with Zuo Qingfeng and You Lanhai. Perhaps you can talk them into supporting you by providing them with an update on their children’s situation. Yunzi seems to be interested in going along for this one.

D. You venture out to look for Zhang Minyue. She does not seem to be wholly tied to Nie’s group, and as you saved her life before, she might be partial to listening to you. You might even gain an insight about the Zhang clan’s goals. Murong Yandi would likely go along with you if you wanted.

E. You attempt to find the mysterious hostess of the conference, and perhaps the Xuanyuan Sword. If you can steal it before the conference tomorrow, you will have won before it has even started. Xuezi is willing to back you up here with her full strength, if necessary - she likes the direct approach.


I go iver the potential options that hasn't been discusse.

B:
- Lighsu is quite likeable girl and should have good reputation , excecpt that one things when we attacked Zhang Maxing.
- We have no idea what kind of guy we will be meeting, nor his realitonship with anyone. All we know that he is courageus.
- We gave bad reputation with Taishan, but are quite charismatic and have good speech skills
- we showed that we are no sword demon.

C:
- They know that we are not merciless murederer, but their children are hostages.
- There might be loophole in who they support, perhaps Guo fu or Miss Song?

D.
- She own us her life.
- Murondi Yandi has crush on her or at least worries about her.
- Surprise reaction abou tour entrance whatever it was caused by Xu Jing or Xueti is still unknown....My bet is Xueti
- Most likely to suppert her clan choice, despite whatever character she posses.
- Murondi Yandi could be diplomacy boost here since they lived together with sword saint about for year and womans heart my be a fickle towards romance in these wuxiang stories.

 

[Nevill]

C:
- They know that we are not merciless murederer, but their children are hostages.
- There might be loophole in who they support, perhaps Guo fu or Miss Song?

Since you will be going there with Yunzi, I think there is a possibility it ends in a fight. They could actually use it to opt out of voting against you if you incapacitate them, though fighting during the conference before it all goes to hell is probably a bad idea.

 

[ChumBucket]

I'm still deciding on what to vote for, but there is one other possibility with D that treave does not mention. Zhang Minyue was present for our fight with the sword demon, and near the end things got a little weird. Treave actually said we became an unreliable narrator, but she might have bore witness to what actually happened. If so, we could become aware of our possession. This is just speculation and should be treated as such.

It is much more likely we are just voting for waifu points anyway. You Yunzi shippers should vote with your heart.