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Nevill

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It's not meant to be clear whether Madam Nie or her husband have realized it yet. As for Su Liaojing, you might want to check his dialogue.
Didn't understand he was referring to Shun either.

Damn, I am getting sloppy.
 

Baltika9

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At any rate, I really think we should have Armaiti try to rescue Shun. That would earn the Fire Cult cred for amnesty in the great plains. Shun already told us to keep our eyes open for opportunities to have the Fire Cult serve the emperor. This seems to be it.
Wouldn't the Fire Lord rescuing him be enough? Anyway, I'm not too hung up on sending Armaiti specifically, just that I think a three person party isn't good enough to send after Wuxing's gang. She's just our best candidate right now.
 

Absinthe

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I'm not so sure. I think Jing needs demonstrate that the Fire Cult under his rule would assist the emperor.
 
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Akkudakku

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Shun depends on us going so lets not ok? :troll:

Also Armaiti goes with waifus so they are safer. Guo Fu goes for the non ambiguous situation.
Lingshu goes chasing for rep. Yandi goes to prowide firepower for Lingshu.
 

Baltika9

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Isn't that what saving him ourself will do? We are the Cult's leader, our actions reflect on the whole faction.
 

Absinthe

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With his rep, it's hard to convince folks that Jing isn't just going off on his own, like always.

He needs to actually demonstrate some leadership over the cult and prove they are trustworthy, I think.
 

Baltika9

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He needs to actually demonstrate some leadership over the cult and prove they are trustworthy, I think.
That's actually a good point, people will know they can trust Jing, who is a Han born and bred, but the Cult itself may be a different story for the Eight Sects. Yeah, we can earn them amnesty from THE EMPRAH, but having one of the Ameshas fighting alongside them to rescue Shun will earn them trust from the Sects themselves.
Then we must send Yandi with the girls.
 

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“That is not good,” mutters Madam Nie, frowning. She raises her finger at you. “Xu Jing, I would appreciate it if you do not toy around with my daughter. I have heard… rumours of your philandering ways. In fact, I have seen evidence of it first-hand.”

“Now, dear, calm down,” sighs Madam Nie as she coaxes him down. “It was an acquaintance of mine. You would not know her… but I am sure Xu Jing does. Quite intimately. Count yourself lucky that you have not sired a bastard child, young man.”

You pause momentarily. Her candour is unexpected; you had only been fishing in the dark from what little you could observe. It appears that she has much resentment against her husband. You might have stumbled across something that could be risky. “Well, I… no, that would go against my code, madam. All I was expected to do was to offer you a cleansing medicine that would purge your body of ill humours and increase your considerable beauty, or some private physician’s lessons on the nature of the human body.”

There is a sudden predatory gleam in Madam Jiang’s eyes. A faint blush colours her cheeks. You don't like the way she's suddenly looking at you from head to toe. “Private lessons, you say? It's funny you should say that. I have not had any lessons in a while. My useless husband certainly doesn't teach me what he knows. What manner of lessons are we discussing here?”

“W-well,” you mumble, backing away slightly. Perhaps this was a mistake…

B. You give her ‘private lessons’.
 

Nevill

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That's actually a good point, people will know they can trust Jing, who is a Han born and bred, but the Cult itself may be a different story for the Eight Sects.
No, it isn't.

As long as we are their leader and they follow our lead, it should not matter to people.

A leader and its organisation are one. Why were we so cautious trying not to offend anyone after becoming the Fire Lord, if not for that fact?

The BRO sects and their spokesmen (Fangci and Guo Fu) accept the cultists (Yunzi and Armaiti) because they trust us and we vouch for them. That's how it works. That happened with Lingshu and Yifang, too. They didn't need any other proof but our word.

Now, the other sects (i.e. UNBRO ones) are another matter, but again, their problem does not lie with the Cult alone, but with us.
 
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Absinthe

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TOME, yep.

Nevill, except it clearly does matter:
By the time you finish convincing the Shaolin elders that no, you are not lying about being the new Fire Lord, half of them have fainted and the other half were still choking on the food. Abbot Fangci has a look of grave concern. “Keep this a secret for now, as best as you can,” he says. “Certain other sects would be less… tolerant. This is a very sensitive issue. Still, you promise much, to claim that you can sway such a heretical cult to your bidding.

“Don’t worry about it, musclehead,” sighs Xuezi. “Just keep your little friendship a secret for now, while you wait and see how the boy fares. It’s not like we’re asking you to go about announcing it with gongs and shouts.”

I suppose you are right, child… but why are you in here, again?” frowns Fangci.

Shaolin is taking a wait-and-see stance on this. We need to show something.
 
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Nevill

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“That is not good,” mutters Madam Nie, frowning. She raises her finger at you. “Xu Jing, I would appreciate it if you do not toy around with my daughter. I have heard… rumours of your philandering ways. In fact, I have seen evidence of it first-hand.
Madam Jiang
That... actually raises more questions than it answers. :? :lol:
 

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I think Absinthe is right on money about bringing Armaiti with us.
I am still little scared with Yurondi Mandi being only support for Qilin and Armaiti.
 

TOME

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Shaolin is taking a wait-and-see stance on this. We need to show something.

Fire cult doing nothing is showing them that they are right to trust us. As long as the fire cult minds it's own business, we are good.
 

Absinthe

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I am still little scared with Yurondi Mandi being only support for Qilin and Armaiti.
Qilin and Yunzi are both high agi and high stealth (Yunzi has lower stealth but higher agi). They're no slouches in combat and they should also be able to escape. And Murong Yandi is likely the strongest member of our crew in a sword fight. He might even have stealth skills of his own, judging by how they dropped in on us in the aftermath of the Fire Cult Challenge.

They should be alright.

Exactly. The only thing they are afraid of is the invasion.
If it gets exposed that they have the Wuxiang Qiankun manual, an assault on the Fire Cult to stamp out these enemies and secure the manual is likely. Also, we can't use the Fire Cult in the Great Plains unless they receive amnesty. It would be useful if we could bring Amesha Spenta to the party in the Huashan Summit.
 

TOME

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We have Amesha Spenta traveling with us now and we have had no problems. Why would there be problems in the future?
 

Absinthe

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Because the only folks who recognized the Fire Cult traveling with us so far are Shaolin, who has agreed to keep it quiet?

Others won't be as helpful. Nie Wuxing might even see an opportunity to put us in a bad position.
 

TOME

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And what are Taishan, Kunlun and Hueshan going to do when Shaolin, Emei and Wudang sides with us?
 

Absinthe

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Our reputation with Shaolin, Wudang, and Emei isn't so amazing they'll put their own asses on the line for a group they have had a very bad history with.

We need to prove the Fire Cult has changed first.
 

Tigranes

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Not voting yet but Absinthe is right, sending Armaiti to help Shun is a Very Good Idea (TM) and all the counterarguments so far are just weak 'but but but'. She will be useful there and it's not a huge deal not to have her chase Nie.
 

Nevill

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And what are Taishan, Kunlun and Hueshan going to do when Shaolin, Emei and Wudang sides with us?
I don't get it.

We are talking a hypothetical situation where we receive the amnesty from the Emperor courtesy of our actions, right? And we have an amiable relationship with half of the sects, so the Emperor is not actually risking to alienate whole jianghu by his decision.

Why do we need anyone else's approval to bring our people wherever we damn please?

She will be useful there and it's not a huge deal not to have her chase Nie.
Everyone is going to be useful everywhere, but can only be in one place at a time.

I would have preferred to keep her away from the two orthodox disciples who already are prejudiced against us when we have an important mission ahead of us, and she kept watch over Yunzi for a while now, so it feels more natural to for them to stay together, instead of having her tag along with us for PR purposes.

Following Nie might not be a huge deal compared to rescuing Shun, but it is no less dangerous. I thought that was the whole reason Yunzi was escorting Qilin.
 
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Fangshi

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We need to go after the emperor obviously. If he dies then it will not matter who has the sword.

Lingshu should come with us. We don't want her to have to fight Nie if things go poorly, she would probably do it but she should have an easier time with a task that is upright and heroic. Also saving the emperor should be good for her rep.

Armaiti as Yunzi's bodyguard needs to go with her. It is likely that Qilin and Yunzi will need help and Armaiti is one of the better fighters present. It is also likely that she wants to go with her charge anyway.

Guo Fu should come with us, trying to save the emperor will likely be difficult and Fu is a beast in a fight. It would also be helpful to have upright orthodox pugilists around to help convince the disciples of the unBRO sects to work with us (Lingshu might be able to help as well with that). Saving the emperor will also boost his rep I should think which is good for us and our allies.

That leaves Yandi and I am inclined to send him with the girls just to even out the teams somewhat. Though I could probably be convinced to flop.
 

Absinthe

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Nevill, actually, we don't even know if the Fire Cult would receive amnesty for Jing's actions alone. Jing himself is still not a good representative of the Fire Cult, especially considering the Fire Cult itself has not yet officially announced us as their leader.

As for the two orthodox disciples, if Guo Fu and Song Lingshu back us up, they will accept it.

Fangshi, would you be willing to flop so Armaiti rescues the emperor with us? We need to prove the Fire Cult can be trusted and Murong Yandi should be some very strong backup for the girls.
 

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