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[TOME]

It's like talking to a brick wall.

 

[Absinthe]

It's like you don't want answers when you ask questions.

 

[Elfberserker]

GUYS! I GOT IT!
The answer is Milfs.

Don't yet just scroll down, but listen.

Now the real power players have revealed themselfs.

Hueshan : Madam Nie

Scholar tower thing: Lady Li and her Sister thing.

Zhang Clan: I bet there is Milf too controlling everything behind Zhang Manlou.

Imperial court: That one other prince who was strongest opponent to Shu? He got Milf to handle the things behind his back.

We have focused wrong things in whole LP. It's not the waifus, morality or techniques that matter, But MILFs.

I bet the answer to all of our problems is how we handle the MILFS.

Edit: How could I forgot all mama Milf NUWA
Bros we got literal milf alliance trying to fuck us literally and figuratively.

 

[Baltika9]

It's like talking to a brick wall.

Anyway, I think we're getting lost in the rhetoric here, but both Nevill and Absinthe raise valid points.
If we rescue the Emperor and come out looking good, then all of our followers (Cult included) will look good along with us. If Armaiti follows our orders and keeps her eyes on the Douchebag Council, then that will still demonstrate our leadership effectively because 'Amesha received order->Amesha followed order.' I can't see much room for a different interpretation here.

On the other hand, the Cult looks bad in the here and now, and my concern is that sending Armaiti with them on a scouting party can escalate things with Wuxing and his buddies to bloodshed. All Qilin and Yunzi need to do is hide and observe while Yandi does all the mouthwork, and sending too many people on a scouting mission will make it easier to detect them especially since Armaiti isn't particularly skilled at stealth. And, yeah, Yunzi and Yandi are Jing-level fighters so if trouble starts brewing, they will be able to run away from there.

This is my hang-up here, and I could really swing either way here.

 

[Absinthe]

Well, the problem with "Amesha received order->Amesha followed order" is that it doesn't prove how well they follow orders when you order people to do shit they'd do anyway.

If there was a pile of money with a sign saying "free money" and I ordered you to take it, I don't think it proves I can get you to do what I want.

 

[asxetos]

Nevill, your arguments are shit.

1. We aren't even publicly announced as the leader of the fire cult. Shaolin also wants to see that the Amesha Spenta can be trusted to follow our lead. Ergo, we need Armaiti to prove the Fire Cult can be trusted.
2. You can't fucking win the fight against Nie Wuxing and his crew. Give up. It's not happening. There's too many of them, and they're too strong. That's not even the point of those two going there. They're going there to scout. We're sending Murong Yandi to have a legitimate pretext for being there ("oh hi we're just helping you secure the sword as promised") and to have just enough fighting power that they can make a run for it.
3. I've already gone over the reasons why Armaiti's specific moves will help us against the veiled lady, so you're just being intentionally retarded here.
4. Those disciples will listen to Song Lingshu and Guo Fu when they back us up. Also, Armaiti can make it difficult for Qilin and Yunzi to avoid hostilities (too much fire cult) if we send her there.

And considering we're up against Nie Wuxing, Madam Nie, and Zhang Manlou, who are all politicking bastards, we need to be prepared for political battles, so we need to establish Fire Cult's cred asap. After this, they will know we're with Fire Cult, and if they try to move against the Fire Cult to weak us, we will be in a bad position.

1. No one knows Armaiti is an Amesha Spenta like no one knows Jing is the Fire Lord. When it is revealed that we saved the Emperor (if we manage it), it will be Fire Cult cred no matter what. Plus extra credit for Shun for having his bff taking over the damn Fire Cult.
2. Nie is probably not going to attack his wife's daughter or the Saint's disciple but Yunzi is there too and she must be protected. Who is better at that job than her own damn bodyguard?
3. Guo Fu's moves are the only proven thing against the velied lady and he should be there. Everything else is speculation.
4. Song Lingshu and Bro Fu will be with us anyway, nobody is flopping against it. Yunzi will probably get in trouble if Armaiti is not there to save her stubborn ass.

 

[Baltika9]

asxetos convinced me. Back to AABBA

 

[Absinthe]

Baltika9, asxetos:

1. The problem is that we need to prove that the Fire Cult itself can be trusted to follow our orders. This was the whole issue that we had with Shaolin, so I guess I'll quote this again:

By the time you finish convincing the Shaolin elders that no, you are not lying about being the new Fire Lord, half of them have fainted and the other half were still choking on the food. Abbot Fangci has a look of grave concern. “Keep this a secret for now, as best as you can,” he says. “Certain other sects would be less… tolerant. This is a very sensitive issue. Still, you promise much, to claim that you can sway such a heretical cult to your bidding.”

“Don’t worry about it, musclehead,” sighs Xuezi. “Just keep your little friendship a secret for now, while you wait and see how the boy fares. It’s not like we’re asking you to go about announcing it with gongs and shouts.”

“I suppose you are right, child… but why are you in here, again?” frowns Fangci.

Shaolin is taking a wait-and-see stance. We need to show that the Amesha Spenta can be trusted. They already trust Jing.

2. Murong Yandi. The Sword Saint's disciple is probably better at protecting people from sword masters. As for Yunzi, it's hard to attack her and not attack the two girls, hence why I think a diplomatic solution is more workable with just Yunzi than with Armaiti for maximum OMG FIRE CULT. Also, Yunzi is fast. She can make a run for it.

3. Just because it's speculation doesn't mean it isn't reasonable. We know the veiled lady uses sound techniques. I don't see how ground-shaking moves and and qi beams get stopped by that the same way Jing and needle barrage got stopped.

4. I'm saying that Song Lingshu and Guo Fu will tell them that Armaiti can be trusted, so it's not an issue to have Armaiti with us. I think it's a much bigger issue, diplomatically, to have Armaiti with them.

Lastly, I don't even understand why you guys are so hung up on having Armaiti go with the girls. What's the pressing need that Armaiti has to be there when there is so much benefit to be had from keeping her with us? All of this "keep Armaiti with the girls" seems to revolve around a strangely idealized combat scenario where combat has to happen, the girls apparently wont run, and yet with these completely terrible odds somehow Armaiti will make a difference? Look, if they all go fight Nie Wuxing and their crew, the girls are going to lose even with Armaiti. Those odds are terrible. But if they're just going to run, then it's better to travel light anyway, and Armaiti wouldn't make a difference either.

 

[asxetos]

I didnt say that combat has to happen. For combat not to happen though, Yunzi's temper must be controled and Armaiti is the only one who can do that. Also, if combat does happen, Armaiti will be crucial to Yunzi's survival.

Nie has every insentive to go after Yunzi when he recognizes her btw. She is a known enemy of the Jianghu and even if he has knowledge that Jing is the Fire Lord and Yunzi is with him, he can deny it.

 

[TOME]

I don't think nobody has said that they will challenge Nie Wuxing and fight to the death. Sometimes combat just happens and you can't disengage from it. Case and point, see our meeting with BJ. Having Armaiti there will help them much more if they get in combat than having Armaiti fight the veiled lady, where there is much more fighters already. And lastly, some of us just want to see our girls survive first, and then think about reputation.

 

[Absinthe]

Asxetos, first, Yunzi is an intelligent girl. She won't do something that stupid. I think this argument of yours is really ridiculous.

Second, I think Armaiti worsens the odds of a diplomatic solution because fire cultists make for easy enemies.

Third, you keep saying Armaiti will be crucial somehow, but you don't explain how. If they go for the massive fight, they're going to lose regardless. If they try to run for it, then Armaiti's presence won't help because Armaiti will also have to make a run for it.

TOME, if they can't disengage, it's basically a fight to the death. If it's a fight to the death, Armaiti won't make a difference against those odds. Lets count the masters there: Taishan master, Kunlun master, Nie Wuxing, and Madam Nie. The last two probably know legendary techniques, and the first three all have legendary swords. And then there's the Xuanyuan Sword too. I also don't know why you're convinced they'd be unable to disengage. What, are they going to magically surround them with some super high walls so the girls can't run out? Besides, Nie Wuxing's priority is on securing the Xuanyuan Sword, not chasing girls.

 

[Tigranes]

Actually, asxetos raises good points. I'm behind Absinthe's argument that having the Amesha Spentha help out would be a big boon, but Yunzi has a track record of being impetuous and temperamental, and indeed, there were multiple points where she would have been even more reckless without Armaiti nearby.

The question here is who knows if Armaiti is AS/Fire Cult or not, and same with Yunzi? If their identity is not clear, then they should stick together.

 

[Absinthe]

Huashan is bound to have kept tabs on the Fire Cult and its Amesha Spenta.

As for Yunzi, while she may be a bit reckless, this would be suicidal. Jing is a bit reckless too, but he would also not dive into a fight like that.

 

[asxetos]

Absinthe, you are talking about diplomatic solutions but Nie has EXACTLY ZERO reasons to be diplomatic with Yunzi. He will probably ignore Qilin and Yandi and go straight for her head.

 

[Absinthe]

In the first case, Yunzi would have to get spotted considering this is a stealth mission. In the second case, Qilin and Yandi are both people Nie Wuxing can't just ignore. Third, Qilin is a very capable diplomat. She can probably talk their way out of it. Fourth, even if all that fails, Murong Yandi could stall while Yunzi makes a run for it with her ridiculous speed. Since Nie Wuxing wants the sword more than he wants her head, he's not going to chase her. Maybe he'd send Bai Jiutian after her, but she's on our side.

 

[asxetos]

First, i am pretty sure we cant depend on it being a stealth mission. Second, of course he can just ignore them and go straight for Yunzi. Third, Qilin can do nothing since it would be pretty fucking undiplomatic of her to defend the "enemy" Fire Cult and, fourth, Yandi cant hold off so many master swordsmen.

 

[Absinthe]

Asxetos, calm down, take a step back, and think about this rationally.

First, Qilin has 10 stealth. If Yunzi follows Qilin, I'm guessing she'd be effectively operating at a higher stealth too (considering the time Cao'er managed to follow us when we rescued Qilin). So stealth can actually be successful. Especially considering they have bigger priorities on their mind than looking for people who could be sneaking up on them.

Second, they would literally be in the way, so no, he can't.

Third, Qilin is too good of a diplomat for something like that to stop her.

Fourth, all he needs to do is send out a few of those massive qi swipes to keep them back for a moment while Yunzi makes a run for it.

Besides, if you had Armaiti there, then Armaiti would need to run away too. I don't see how that helps.

 

[asxetos]

And how much stealth does Yandi have?
Your case might actually work if Yandi wasnt there, but that isnt happening. They are most probably going to be spotted.

 

[Absinthe]

Yeah, hopefully Yandi won't need to stealth. Or maybe he'll do quite well following their lead. I mean he did manage to drop in on Bai Jiutian with his master.

Alternatively, maybe they'll just go for the direct and diplomatic approach. It's hard to attack a group that approaches you peacefully. Considering what we pulled at the conference, Murong Yandi has a legitimate reason for accompanying Nie Wuxing right now.

At any rate, I still don't see how bringing Armaiti along would help. She would have to escape too, and in a straight fight their odds are still terrible against Nie Wuxing's lineup. It just seems like bringing Armaiti along is a recipe for a bigger problem.

 

[a cut of domestic sheep prime]

If the veiled woman is a co-conspirator of Nie, then why the whole sham? Why not just hand him the Sword to give to Zhang Manlou or something?
Also, how come Shun was apparently unaffected by the attack and just ran at her?

 

[treave]

First, Qilin has 10 stealth.

???

 

[Absinthe]

Well, she was at 8 stealth before she learned Kagemi. I assumed Kagemi raises her stealth by 2 when used, like it does for us.

Am I mistaken?

 

[treave]

She wasn't at 8 before she learnt it.

 

[Absinthe]

Huh, could have sworn otherwise. Alright then. Qilin is at 8 stealth.

Kashmir Slippers, kazgar, would you be willing to weigh in on this vote? Right now the question is whether or not we should have Armaiti come rescue Shun with us or go with Yunzi and Qilin. I prefer that Armaiti comes with us for the following reasons:

#1: Shun told us to keep our eyes open for any opportunities to have the Fire Cult serve the Emperor. This would be the opportunity. Bringing Armaiti along would allow Shun to declare amnesty for the Fire Cult. Even Shaolin is taking a wait-and-see stance to see if the Fire Cult can be trusted under our lead, so the problem isn't whether Jing can be trusted, but if the Amesha Spenta can be trusted.

#2: A serious battle with Nie Wuxing is an unreasonable assumption. In that case, Nie Wuxing would they would have so many masters and swords on his side that our group would lose even with Armaiti's assistance. We're better off relying on Chi Qilin to diplomacy their way through it, which means we should keep Fire Cult attendance low. Otherwise, they should make a run for it, and if we send Armaiti in, Armaiti would also have to escape, which does not improve the situation.

#3: Armaiti's Yiyang Finger and battlefield shaking techniques don't seem like they would be stopped by the veiled lady's musical techniques like Jing and Gao Ying's needles were.

Would you care to add your vote?

 

[Kashmir Slippers]

I reeeeeeally want to send Armaiti with Yunzi to keep an eye on her (and Qilin)...

But I have to vote to ensure that the Emperor is safe.

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