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[Nevill]

I finally figured out the mystery of how the odds work.

Each time you repeat your argument, they go up by 5%. Each time you hustle for votes, they increase by 10%. If you mention some kind of stats or techniques, they skyrocket by 20%.

That's how they always make it from 'solid' to 'good' and finally to the 'absolute certainity' by the end. They must be hitting four digits by now.

 

[TOME]

How come Jing is his enemy? Jing may have acted against him a couple times (Youxia city for example) without really knowing he is stomping on Nie's plans and he may have trolled Nie just like everyone else, but we aren't sworn enemies yet. Last night offerings were a good sign of that.

 

[Absinthe]

Nevill is going full retard again, I see.

TOME, he would try to recruit us to his side if he can (another point in favor of Qilin just talking her way out of it), but he also just plain dislikes Jing and we're basically waging a political battle where we try to outmaneuver each other.

 

[tropic]

Flopping back to AAAAA...

Save our childhood bro, Emperor of all China, at all costs, even the waifus.

 

[TOME]

Otherwise I can't see what you are getting at.

Just saying that "totes nothing bad can happen trust me guys!" doesn't work in this game. Like it didn't work in that update no matter how many times Yunzi's superior AGI stat was thrown in the air. And like now "totes nothing bad can happen because our girls can retreat trust me guys! won't work.

 

[Esquilax]

Yeah, Absinthe, you had some good points until you had to go into statsturbation territory. If you want to argue that bringing Armaiti along to protect Shun is great PR for the Fire Cult - great, that is an interesting angle, and one worth considering - but now you've lost me with this wishful thinking and this focus on individual techniques, which, it must be mentioned, is often repeated but has never been a good argument. Ever.

For the record, I agree with TOME. Going in with the assumption that Nie Wuxing won't do any harm to the girls is very wishful thinking.

 

[a cut of domestic sheep prime]

are we voting for the rollback yet?

 

[Absinthe]

Esquilax, how did I engage in "statsturbation"? Just for mentioning Armaiti has unconventional techniques I think would be useful? And then when someone asks me about them, I actually try to go in detail? I think it's quite unfair of you to demand that I not explain myself when someone tries to get on my case. And while you're off arguing that it's unpersuasive dreck, consider that Fangshi actually considers Armaiti's skillset a solid point in favor of bringing her along to fight the Emperor.

If an argument is unpersuasive to you, you can just consider the other arguments, you know. You don't need to reject the whole position for it.

 

[TOME]

The battlefield shaking technique would be good point, if we would be sending Armaiti to fight multiple people, like Nie Wuxing and his cronies. Yet we are voting to send her fight one person with her crowd controlling technique.

 

[Absinthe]

Why are you assuming the veiled lady will be alone? We don't know that. She must have had co-conspirators. And the problem is that she uses crowd controlling techniques and special defenses of her own so we need to keep her off-balance with non-conventional attacks. Remember, she blasted needles & Jing out of the way with her music techniques.

Besides, we are sending our strongest sword master to face the sword masters. Yes, I happen to think Murong Yandi would be most effective there.

 

[Esquilax]

We need Bro Fu on our team because of that musical attack, he managed to shrug it ok, Jing was floored by that, prolly because low endurance. Nie did even better, prolly high neigong, but he's evil.

Guo Fu managed to tough it out because of his ridiculous END stat, but I am pretty sure that Nie Wuxing is in cahoots and so was prepared for the technique when the veiled woman unleashed it:

“I’ll secure the sword! Then, we go after that woman and rescue the boy!” shouts Nie Wuxing, grabbing the Xuanyuan Sword from the dais. The old bastard has recovered the quickest out of everyone present – you are still flat on your back, struggling from the effects of the song.

I think that this is rather curious. Either he has somehow developed a massive amount of inner strength (if he learned the Jiuyang manual thanks to his Zhang Clan connections) or he knew what was coming. Or both. Still, this is definitely a suspicious detail. Look at the series of events: We make a peaceful agreement to escort the blade together, then immediately the veiled woman comes in with a contingency plan (she didn't want this to happen, otherwise she wouldn't have done anything), then Nie Wuxing gets to his feet almost immediately and leaves to "secure the blade". I believe these two events are connected.

Why are you assuming the veiled lady will be alone? She must have had co-conspirators. And the problem is that she uses crowd controlling techniques and special defenses of her own so we need to keep her off-balance with non-conventional attacks. Remember, she blasted needles & Jing out of the way with her music techniques.

Sure she did. I think one of them was Nie Wuxing.

 

[TOME]

I'm not assuming she is alone. It's just that if I think the crowd controlling technique, I will sent her to a place where I know for sure are multiple opponents than to place where totes must be more than one. Simple as that.

Just because she once managed to block needles doesn't mean she will always be able to block them. You are just making assumptions to make your own case look good.

 

[Absinthe]

Esquilax, entering a serious fight with Nie Wuxing and company is not worth considering (he has a legendary tech and that's a lot of masters). All we need is enough firepower to make them back off if shit happens. Their priority is to secure the sword, not to kill our crew, so those three should be good enough. Last I checked, Qilin, Yunzi, and Yandi are damn strong. Maybe Qilin isn't the strongest in a straight fight, but once she uses her poisons, it's another story.

At any rate, if you're trying to win against Nie Wuxing, you might as well vote BBBBB or some shit because I assure you they will not win that fight with Armaiti either.

 

[treave]

As for Armaiti's battlefield shaking moves, treave, can you explain what they are and how they work? Armaiti can selectively target with them, right?

She can selectively target with moves that are meant to be selectively targetable. Her entire repertoire doesn't consist of AoEs only, even if those do make up the majority of her power-hitting moves. Um, I'm not sure if I get why this question is important?

 

[Absinthe]

TOME was suggesting that her battlefield shaking moves are all AoEs that will hit our own team.

 

[treave]

Well yes, I'd assume that if you want to shake up the field effectively then you are going with an AoE. Your allies just have to know when to get out of the way.

 

[Absinthe]

Good enough. Well, lets recap the main positions for why Armaiti should help rescue the emperor:

#1: Shun told us to keep our eyes open for opportunities to have the Fire Cult serve the emperor. This is that opportunity. Armaiti on the rescue mission would earn the fire cult the amnesty it needs.

#2: Murong Yandi, Qilin, and Yunzi alone are already plenty strong. At any rate, they shouldn't be going for a serious fight because those odds would be terrible, so adding more firepower is not the solution. They're only there to scout and escape, so it's better to travel light. Qilin can probably fast talk their way out of it with Murong Yandi there, and if not, they can probably fight a defensive battle and get out (since Nie Wuxing is more interested in securing the Xuanyuan Sword than chasing our buddies).

#3: Armaiti's techniques may be more useful against the veiled lady's defenses than conventional weapons.

 

[Nevill]

Odds +5% +25%.

Actually (potentially) relevant arguments:
1. Shun told us to keep our eyes open for opportunities to serve the country.
2. Don't weaken the group that already has less fighters in it even more while sending them off into unknown.
3. Armaiti might want to go with Yunzi and you will have to pull rank on her to bring her with you so that she could look pretty while you save the Emperor. Does wonders for morale.
4. There are two orthodox disciples you might want to enlist to help you, and Armaiti might make things more difficult on that front.

 

[Absinthe]

Nevill, your arguments are shit.

1. We aren't even publicly announced as the leader of the fire cult. Shaolin also wants to see that the Amesha Spenta can be trusted to follow our lead. Ergo, we need Armaiti to prove the Fire Cult can be trusted.
2. You can't fucking win the fight against Nie Wuxing and his crew. Give up. It's not happening. There's too many of them, and they're too strong. That's not even the point of those two going there. They're going there to scout. We're sending Murong Yandi to have a legitimate pretext for being there ("oh hi we're just helping you secure the sword as promised") and to have just enough fighting power that they can make a run for it.
3. I've already gone over the reasons why Armaiti's specific moves will help us against the veiled lady, so you're just being intentionally retarded here.
4. Those disciples will listen to Song Lingshu and Guo Fu when they back us up. Also, Armaiti can make it difficult for Qilin and Yunzi to avoid hostilities (too much fire cult) if we send her there.

And considering we're up against Nie Wuxing, Madam Nie, and Zhang Manlou, who are all politicking bastards, we need to be prepared for political battles, so we need to establish Fire Cult's cred asap. After this, they will know we're with Fire Cult, and if they try to move against the Fire Cult to weak us, we will be in a bad position.

 

[TOME]

1. Amesha Spenta doing what Jing ordered -->Amesha Spenta can be trusted.
2. Scouts that never return aren't were good scouts. Remember Wudu cult incident? Those scouts were too few because Jing massacred them.
3. And how exactly are Armaiti's different from everyone else's qi-based attacks? What's so special about them? This point eludes me completely.

 

[Absinthe]

1. Amesha Spenta going with Yunzi instead of rescuing emperor is not a good sign they can be trusted.
2. Don't compare some scouts to our crew. We're in a different league from those scrubs.
3. Yiyang Finger and battlefield shaking moves seem like they couldn't be blocked by sonic blasts like most shit. It would also create openings for the rest of us to exploit.

 

[Nevill]

Are we at the 'an aerial assault is the best counter to music-based techniques' stage yet?

If not, how long will it take us to get there?

 

[Absinthe]

You can stop shitposting now.

 

[TOME]

1. So Murong Yandi can't be trusted also because he isn't going to rescue the emperor? And Armaiti is doing exactly what we order, so the fault lies in Jing if there is fault somewhere.
2. How is it not comparable if they get ambushed and cut down before they can mount any defensive?
3. Is this the Yiyang Finger?

You scowl, draw your wodao, and leap forward, right into the path of his attack. Executing the form of the Vermillion Pheasant, you strike out at his axes in quick succession. Your powerful slashes knock away his swings, negating his attack entirely. As Pang Xiaohu falls back, surprised yet pleased, you turn to face Yunzi. She is no longer behind you, however: Xuxian is. He jabs at you with his middle finger, from a distance away. As the powerful qi attack rushes towards you, you bring your sword up. With a shout, you bat it away, deflecting the energy with your sword more on sheer reflex than any controlled effort.

How is it any different from, say, Raging Claws of the Mad Lion? (qi-enhanced swipes with the potential to tear up the earth and bring down trees in a wide swathe of destruction)

 

[Absinthe]

1. Murong Yandi has a good reputation. Fire Cult has a terrible reputation. Terrible reputation means people judge your actions negatively. That's why we need the cult to prove themselves.
2. Again, because our crew is not a bunch of scrubs. Also, because there is no fucking way they'd win a serious fight against all those guys anyway. Armaiti wouldn't make a difference.
3. Range.