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treave

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If you're going with A, you're committing yourself to searching until you find the manual, regardless of the risk or consequence. Otherwise, it'll only give you the same outcome as C.
 

Elfberserker

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Ok flopped to A>C

We might able to provid good distraction while Xuezi subtly investigate their belongings or vice versa.
If we manage to divert their attention from one of us then we should have decent chance to not to be found out. Xu Jing is pretty good at trolling and distracting people even if he is not good at scheming like Madam Nie or Bai Jiutian.
 

Akkudakku

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Ok flopped to A>C

We might able to provid good distraction while Xuezi subtly investigate their belongings or vice versa.
If we manage to divert their attention from one of us then we should have decent chance to not to be found out. Xu Jing is pretty good at trolling and distracting people even if he is not good at scheming like Madam Nie or Bai Jiutian.
A = Jing only option
 

treave

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Current tally:

A - 3
B - 6
C - 7

Post-flop:

A - 1
B - 7
C - 8

I'll close the votes in 12 hours.
 

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I wonder what would happen if Madam Nie promises Xuezi to share the technique she seeks in exchange for doing a single thing, with no conditions. :?
 

Absinthe

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It's because clearly nothing can go wrong by letting Xuezi stay in the extended company of Madam Nie.

Positive thinking, you know.
 

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There are always more lemmings - as evidenced by C's current lead.
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Kipeci

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Are you guys thinking that the little girl will be loaded up with some sort of mind-control and be commanded to kill us in her unsealed state? Before she's unsealed she's powerless and after she's unsealed she's too powerful to really be controlled by much of anyone.

I prefer C to leaving us with some unclear favor hanging over our heads for the rest of time-- it's not going to be a pleasant one to do when she calls it in, or else she'd just ask nicely and we'd do it. I'm not about to rush into something where she could potentially say 'kill Yunzi' or whatever and we'd have to do that or else risk her wrath over this playground business about who should be in whose posse. A is better than C in that I don't fear the orthodontists as much as I should probably, but no one's voting for that so I'm just going to stick with C.
 

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And is prefer that unclear favor to handing Xuezi to a master manipulator like Madam Nie on a silver platter. The woman is a master of the deal, and I don't trust her not to take this opportunity to get a leg up on us.
Which is what this really is about: trust. I trust Xuezi enough to not make any dumbass requests (seriously, kill Yunzi? Wat?), simply on the grounds of her being ready and willing to put her well being on the line to unlock get powers with our chaotic qi. She matured since bet sealing, and this request is probably just for hey own peace of mind that we won't be able to pull another trick that leaves us short a limb because we consider her too vulnerable. She was pretty pissed about that.
 

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It was an example. The point is, if it was going to be a request for something that we'd be willing to do there'd be no need to solidify this into a promise for whatever the circumstances. That's a very heavy blank check to be cashed out when used to weigh down someone with Jing's power, and I don't like that. She's a ridiculously old semi-immortal who definitely has plots of her own that I think she will enact regardless of the friendly antics of a travelling companion for the smallest fraction of that life.

You need to have some more respect for her. She's not just a little kid with hidden superpowers, she's like hundreds of years old. Madam Nie is a baby to her. No, if Madam Nie 'convinces' the Child Elder into anything it'll be because she wanted it all along, so let her wrap Madam Nie around herself as she clearly wishes for her purposes. It's not the best outcome, I prefer A, but that's hardly likely by now.
 

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It was an example. The point is, if it was going to be a request for something that we'd be willing to do there'd be no need to solidify this into a promise for whatever the circumstances. That's a very heavy blank check to be cashed out when used to weigh down someone with Jing's power, and I don't like that. She's a ridiculously old semi-immortal who definitely has plots of her own that I think she will enact regardless of the friendly antics of a travelling companion for the smallest fraction of that life.
Probably because she doesn't know what that 'something' even is yet. What does she need Jing for in the first place that she can't achieve herself? She can curbstomp all the Eight Sects simultaneously, physically or mentally we're not a big help to her once she gets her powers back.

Inb4 'BUT XUEZI IS SHULGI!'
 

Absinthe

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Are you guys thinking that the little girl will be loaded up with some sort of mind-control and be commanded to kill us in her unsealed state? Before she's unsealed she's powerless and after she's unsealed she's too powerful to really be controlled by much of anyone.
She can already temporarily unseal herself. And there won't be any mind control going on. Madam Nie just has to offer what Xuezi needs in exchange for her doing them a favor, and Xuezi will probably say yes. Whatever that favor is, it probably won't turn out well for us. Not to mention, with a C vote we are basically telling Xuezi we can't be of further assistance to her.

Also, if you like A best, then vote A. Ranked preference votes exist so that you can vote for what you want and have it change if that option doesn't work out. A is currently at 4 votes with my vote, and it would be at 5 with yours. We would actually have a chance of winning it.
 
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Tigranes

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That's why we should be going for A - Nie and Xuezi are both very dangerous people we don't want to owe a favour or give an immortal to. Compared to that a little infiltration doesn't seem the most risky thing in the world, since at least if we get caught we can troll it out of there.
 

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It was an example. The point is, if it was going to be a request for something that we'd be willing to do there'd be no need to solidify this into a promise for whatever the circumstances. That's a very heavy blank check to be cashed out when used to weigh down someone with Jing's power, and I don't like that.
Another side of the coin is that if she wanted us to do something that we would absolutely never do under any circumstances (kill Yunzi, kill the Emperor, kill all the puppies and other :retarded: requests), she would need a better insurance than our promise. That she takes our word for it means that it is something that we would not refuse doing outright, though it might not be very beneficial to us. But hey, you know what else is not beneficial to us? Turning Xuezi over to Madam Nie here and now.

You need to have some more respect for her. She's not just a little kid with hidden superpowers, she's like hundreds of years old. Madam Nie is a baby to her. No, if Madam Nie 'convinces' the Child Elder into anything it'll be because she wanted it all along, so let her wrap Madam Nie around herself as she clearly wishes for her purposes.
Her strongest desire right now is to get unsealed permanently. That is what she wanted all along. What is there to be convinced about? If Madam Nie offers her a mutually beneficial trade, why wouldn't she accept it?

Right now she has a choice of doing things our way and doing things Madam Nie way. You can't refuse to help her, leaving her only one path to follow, and then say "she'll do what she always wanted to do anyway" with a straight face.


I am leaving out the possibility that Xuezi herself might not know what that favor is and may just want a guarantee we will listen to her next time she asks us something, instead of a doing what we did at the Taoying Island.
 
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Kayerts

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Yeah, I was going to make the same argument Nevill makes with regard to the upper bound for the unreasonableness of Xuezi's future favor. B -> A
 

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