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[LP CYOA] Epic

Discussion in 'Choose Your Own Adventure Land' started by treave, Jun 23, 2012.

  1. Esquilax Arcane

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    What do we want to get out of manipulating her noggin? Probably the following:
    • No more of her doing crazy shit to put her own life in danger
    • Learning why Cyber Jack is going after her in the first place
    • Hopefully another source of information to tap into for the future.
    This is going to sound kinda nuts, but what if we made her believe that she was actually Kyrie? Even though she was at the funeral, her entire job as an actress is to portray Kyrie (or at least, her version of Kyrie) so maybe if she thinks that she's Kyrie, we can have her spill the beans and not constantly be at our throats. treave, in the movie role of Kyrie, I'm assuming Senya doesn't exist or isn't in the movie to begin with.

    The best part is that when she's on set everyone will just think that she's taken up method acting :troll:

    I think it could work, but it is definitely sneaky and it might push Senya slightly into slasher mode:

     
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  2. treave Arcane Patron

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    Having her hate or resent Kyrie is not possible, but flipping the love/hate switch for Senya is. The sentence, as written, sounds awfully possessive though... if you guys aren't careful this ends in Audition. :lol:

    Edit: Esquilax's suggestion is pretty cruel. It might work, given how much she wants to be like her, but still... nasty thing to do, especially if we're abandoning her after she outlived her purposes. Interesting. Having her think she's Kyrie doesn't automagically let her know you're innocent, though.
     
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  3. Lambchop19 Arcane Zionist Agent Literally Hitler Batshit Crazy

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    Esquillax's suggestion will have her murdering Kyrie in the future so she can be the real one. Bad option. Let's be careful with how we manipulate this crazed, obsessive nutcase, ok?

    I have to go to work soon, but I vote that we have a little extra time on this choice, given how frick'n creative some of the suggestions are getting.

    Challenge: Let's see if we can find a suggestion that won't turn Senya into an utter sociopath so soon. I think the current Bandwagon vote is closer to this - provided Senya sells it, complete with the whole story about her dying in his arms and him telling her he'd coming back for her.

    What about: Empress killed Kyrie for power. Senya was her innocent lover.

    She saw that Kyrie trusted Senya. With the suggestion that we were lovers and Senya's tragic story of her death and Yua helping us cry fake tears out of the eye we can't see with anyway, it might work. treave?
     
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  4. Azira Arcane Patron

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    Now, that was a good twist, I will consider flopping to that, Lambchop19. :salute: The key part here though, is trying to shift the murderous hate Qin feels, while also keeping the heat off of Senya. Painting him as a tragic hero that was framed for the murder perpetrated by a manipulative, psychopathic bitch is good, but we also have to make it believable. Stating Senya as Kyrie's lover would explain why she was in his arms, and also why he had to flee when he was named the perpetrator.

    Thinking is called for. :hmmm:
     
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  5. Lambchop19 Arcane Zionist Agent Literally Hitler Batshit Crazy

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    The other option is a modification of another choice. Kyrie loved Senya. I love Senya. Empress greedily killed Kyrie.

    Though that'd ramp us up on the evil scale and might needlessly complicate things. Depends how we play it. I like my other option better.
     
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  6. TOME Cuckmaster General

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    How about this? "The Empress had Cyber Jack kill Kyrie. Senya is innocent." We let her figure out the why-part but at the same time we turn her attention toward capturing Cyber Jack.
     
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  7. Azira Arcane Patron

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    Seeing as it's a suggestion, we can more or less plant what we will, but that won't give her a "why". She'll have to supply that herself, and the part of Senya being innocent might be a stretch in her mind, that's why I used the word "scapegoat" instead, as that implies reluctance towards ones role, though it doesn't spell out innocence as much.
    I am still not swayed, but neither am I certain my wording is best.
     
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  8. Zwist Learned

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    I like the idea of making her an ally, but maybe that little "love" thing might come to bite us in the ass big time if Kyrie resurfaces. Maybe use revenge instead?
    Empress killed Kyrie. Senya loved Kyrie. Wants revenge. So Kawai.
    Allys in revenge is much more usefull. And she should be able to believe our motivation.

    Now I probably wont log on the next days, so you might want to ignore me.
     
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  9. TOME Cuckmaster General

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    Yes, she would have to come up on her own with a why. That isn't important part on the suggestion. "Empress killed Kyrie for political gain." If she thinks the empress killed Kyrie, she will figure out it was for political gain or for some other shit. It doesn't matter to us. Implicating Cyber Jack as a bad guy (as opposed to random stalker she doesn't care about) could get her to cooperate with us. But making Senya a good guy in her eyes still needs work.
     
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  10. treave Arcane Patron

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    Yes, you guys are right about the why. Innocence could stick if you flip the love switch first, but then again I think it'd go more smoothly providing a why for the love.
     
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  11. Kayerts Arcane

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    How about: Senya's the hero Kyrie loved. Julia killed Kyrie. Senya = scapegoat.

    It emphasizes how little Qin knows about what's going on and makes us seem like a tragic figure, as devoted to Kyrie as Qin is. Being true is sort of immaterial, but I'll take it.
     
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  12. treave Arcane Patron

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    Oh, regarding deadlines, I'll leave it open as long as there's discussion coming in and no conclusive decision has been reached. It'll be open for at least another day and a half. Even I won't know how the B option will turn out until you guys finally decide on it, so writing the update itself will take some deliberating too.
     
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  13. Lambchop19 Arcane Zionist Agent Literally Hitler Batshit Crazy

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    I love Senya because Kyrie loved Senya. Empress framed Senya.
    Well, in my suggestion above, the reason for the love is because Kyrie loved him. Hell, she practically worships everything Kyrie except us. Good enough reason or flop?
     
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  14. Rex Feral Liturgist

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    Good enough for me. I'll flop to this.
     
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  15. Kipeci Magister

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    I flop to Lambchop.
     
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  16. Smashing Axe Arcane Patron

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    The weakness of that explanation is that she knows we "killed" Kyrie. I don't think that feeling of love for that reason will work right.
     
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  17. Lambchop19 Arcane Zionist Agent Literally Hitler Batshit Crazy

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    Does she? She knows what the TV said, that's it. That's what our suggestion is for. To cause her to doubt. Kyrie trusted us and she actually saw this. (And she already knows the TV painted us to look like a killer when we really don't btw.) If we can introduce another suspect to pin it on - ie, the Empress and sell it with our tearful story of Kyrie bleeding to death in our arms and our promise to come back for her and how we visited her funeral on the last day... Dude, she'll eat it up.
     
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  18. treave Arcane Patron

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    I love him but at the same time I hate him because he killed the other person I loved?

    O ye cruel Fates! My hand is forced in bitter vengeance yet my heart desires only the sweetness of love. Why must I be mired in such a quandary, that I love which I hate and hate which I love?

    The first part is alright, second part doesn't work as well because it's certainly possible for Kyrie to love Senya and for him to be the culprit in her murder.

    Azira's 'Empress killed Kyrie for political gain' is probably the benchmark to be aiming for here if you want to establish the 'why' for innocence. Other than that, you could have a 'Senya loved Kyrie', which somewhat weakens her belief that you are the murderer.
     
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  19. Lambchop19 Arcane Zionist Agent Literally Hitler Batshit Crazy

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    Damn.
    Senya loved Kyrie. I love Senya. Empress killed Kyrie greedily.
    edit Damn. Can't count. Best I can up up with.
    In this case, the why for her love is left to her to come up with. She'd love us because we love her obsession (Kyrie) and because Senya loved her, he therefor felt the same pain Qin did when Kyrie was killed. A mutual understanding of suffering can usually bond people together. Again, we'd play the tragic lover - Yua, cue the tears!
     
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  20. treave Arcane Patron

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    You know, given the circumstances that we're currently in, you can expect her to interpret 'They', 'I', 'He' and 'She' in proper context, should you use it in a way such as 'They loved each other', or 'I love what she loved'.

    Needing her mind to fill in the blanks can be an advantage too.

    edit: And the word limit is an attempt to limit the suggestion to something simple, not some convoluted munchkinized power-gaming plan rife with triple-level contingencies.

    I'm interpreting your line as three different parts:

    Senya and Kyrie's relationship.
    How she feels about Senya.
    The Empress's role in Kyrie's murder.

    That's a bit more complex than I'd like to allow for. Could it be limited to two, with wording that allows her to connect the dots for herself?
     
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  21. treave Arcane Patron

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    I figure ideally I should restrict it to a single sentence of ten words or less, to prevent cramming of ideas, but as long as it doesn't get too silly I'll permit it.

    It's pretty bad, yes, but as it is a suggestion it is hardly a permanent compulsion; people can fall out of love... though I wonder if that will happen with this particular girl. The nicest thing you could do as a follow-up is to take responsibility for your actions like a man, of course.
     
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  22. Smashing Axe Arcane Patron

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    I love Senya. Empress killed Kyrie for political gain. Shit.
     
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  23. treave Arcane Patron

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  24. Lambchop19 Arcane Zionist Agent Literally Hitler Batshit Crazy

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    Whu? And women don't do that to men all the time? Seriously, she tried to kill us. We're just defending ourselves and doing it in a way that helps her help us save Kyrie - which is what she'd want if she could possibly believe she was alive... *cough* Ok, it's bad, but it's nowhere near turning her into a vegetable

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    In that case we either let her love us on her own or let her assume our feelings for Kyrie on her own - as you pretty much showed us that unless we exonerate ourselves, she'll want to kill us - even if she loves us.

    Empress framed him for power. I love him.
    Senya loved her, she him. Empress framed him for power.

    One sentence versions:
    Empress framed him for power, but I love him.
    Senya was her lover, but Empress framed him for power.

    My preference is for Senya loved her, she him. Empress framed him for power. as it's clearest.
     
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  25. Lambchop19 Arcane Zionist Agent Literally Hitler Batshit Crazy

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    Push-up bra. All I'm say'n.

    edit: root Well, personally, I'd consider it less evil to force someone to love me, than to murder them. In the former, they are alive and happy. They have freewill in every other aspect of their life. With the latter action, they are dead and I have denied them ALL freewill - imposing my will over theirs absolutely. Robbing their freewill entirely, rather than partially.
     
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