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[LP CYOA] Epic

Discussion in 'Choose Your Own Adventure Land' started by treave, Jun 23, 2012.

  1. TOME Cuckmaster General

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    I would much rather stay in this universe, maybe play an immortal trying to win one of the earlier games for Masters?

    We don't know a thing about Shulgi and we didn't take the council info, so A is bound to fail.

    I'm fairly certain that surprise attack is "not out of expectation", he'll be ready for it. He'll just activate the defenses and bring down the corridors.

    C. Time to test this power. It will be unexpected and might work now that he isn't expecting it.
     
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  2. Esquilax Arcane

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    Not the sort of surprise attack that Senya has - he won't expect that. Look, this guy is expecting Shulgi and in many ways, is just like Shulgi himself: arrogant and too dependent on things going according to his expectations. As Kayerts said, the sort of attacks that Senya has aren't something that he'll expect because he's so certain that we're Shulgi. He'll probably account for Boshen's head being used as a projectile weapon, but there's no way he'll account for our limb-severing tentacles.

    We have to be aware of the great cost that this power brings, and I'm not yet ready to pay it. Remember this?

    We've reloaded already, and to make matters worse, our psycho alter-ego was killed a few times by Shulgi. Yes, this single use of the Observer's power won't damn us, but it all adds up. We have alternatives here, and it's best not to rely on a desperate last resort as a first resort.

    To make matters worse, once he's gone, any knowledge he's had is gone as well. So if it turns out Shulgi is still kicking around, good luck finding out:

    @treave, does this mean that deleting him would also erase the memories of all that knew him? So, if we erase him, would the other Council members know if he was ever gone?
     
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  3. The Brazilian Slaughter Arcane

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    Voting A. We need to see what's up with this guy and what he knows. Could be the key to figuring out how to defeat the Council, discover if Shulgi is alive or find out more about Mere Tarliss' desertion, IF that was Mere Tarliss.

    I am beginning to really think Mere is Shulgi, can't see a young immortal like that defeating the much more experienced and powerful Shulgi in combat.

    If it is the true Mere, that only raises more questions.
     
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  4. Esquilax Arcane

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    Brace yourselves everyone, this is tin-foil hat time. Esquilax has gone full retard.

    You know, I've been having a lot of questions about Mere and the circumstances under which she saved us:

    Okay, so according to Mere, she didn't know we were coming and she happened to be on Volkin's ship at the time. So she's basically saying that thanks to this happy coincidence, our asses were saved. But I do find it unusual that Mere was already on her shuttle near the jump point before the drone was launched. Then she tells us that she didn't know it was us, that this was all happenstance. I mean, imagine the odds of Mere being around at exactly the right place and alerting us at the right time to warn us of danger. You'd have to be really lucky, right?

    Then there's the question of why Mere would suddenly defect:

    She said this as if it was certain, but then you have to ask "why the fuck would someone defect to the losing side all of a sudden?" Mere isn't Ean - she isn't going to join a losing side out of sheer moral duty and idealism, she's always struck me as pretty pragmatic. Okay, so Mere never liked the Council and she didn't rat us out about the quantum computer, true, so maybe she found the Council's secret and wants revenge. Hey, that could be it.

    But then you have to ask how the youngest immortal in the League would find a piece of knowledge that important and closely guarded to begin with. She got captured by the Empire on a covert mission not too long ago, how the fuck would she manage to get something like this? A millenia-old chessmaster with a boundless thirst for knowledge might find out about this independently, but someone that low on pecking order?

    Of course, this could all be a red herring by treave, but many things don't add up. But now we head to the enemy fortress, just as our friend is expecting Shulgi to fall into his trap, only we're not Shulgi, and thus outside of his expectations...

    The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he doesn't exist.
     
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  5. treave Arcane Patron

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    No, the database metaphor applies to the records of fate, the perception of the people living in the universe doesn't get retroactively changed. All they'll notice is this guy was here, then now he's not. As for Mere... there are a few possibilities that come to mind.

    She's Shulgi.
    She's a double agent.
    She's unwittingly serving the purpose of another, more experienced and smarter player in this conflict.
    Happy coincidence, you're all just paranoid.

    Or perhaps even a combination of two or more of the above.

    Also, do expect a difference in information obtained from an interrogation (if it works) compared to a smooth con (if it works). I don't feel that what you hear in one case should be exactly the same as what you get in the other.
     
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  6. Anabanana Augur

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    I think I'm going to vote A for this. Also I really hope Mere turns out to be Shulgi. It'd be the best twist in the entire CYOA. ;D
     
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  7. Esquilax Arcane

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    Haha, well Dario did turn out to be Dio, so maybe it's something else now. I'm still sticking with B because A is too risky while C is a horrible waste with dire consequences, but I am considering ways that we can make the con work on this guy by piecing together what we know. We need to work out the time frame they've known each other:

    So Shulgi's known this guy ever since Earth's location became uknown to the Masters. I wonder how Shulgi got in contact with the League, and a Council member at that, while Earth was isolated. Not only that, this Council member decided to play along and not reveal Earth's location; I suppose he figured that Shulgi was more useful to him without any of his Council pals knowing about him.

    Moving on:

    Okay, so the last time Shulgi and this guy talked was before our alliance with the Empire. Speaking of names that Shulgi's collected, I can think of one: Senya Hoshikawa. No wonder this guy believes we're Shulgi.

    Any idea as to the real reason that Shulgi took the heat for our alter-ego's crimes?

    As Senya suspected, he's bullshitting. If he knew what we were looking through, it wouldn't be so heavily encrypted and he'd know that we weren't Shulgi just as soon as we started looking for information on the Masters. Shulgi knows more about the Masters than the League does, he wouldn't bother looking through their limited info on the matter.

    Um, I could like, totally kick your ass and stuff, but I don't want to! There is some truth here, but he'd really rather not resort to fucking up the entire fortress. He just told us that we don't stand a chance if they have the superweapon, so why risk the fortress? I'd call his bluff on this one.
     
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  8. The Brazilian Slaughter Arcane

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    Many, actually:

    1. Senya is useful, he is very smart (but immature for Shulgi's uses), a scientific genius and has the one weapon against the Masters he will never have: He can delete people from existence. He is also unkillable so Shulgi doesn't need worry anymore about him dying and failing.

    2. It has HIS fault that Senya's crazy alter-ego took over when he put him in World Zero without enough defenses. Shulgi knew about Psycho-Senya before.

    3. Senya needs to be accepted by lawful society in order to operate with support. Taking the heat off him through all of Senya's crimes (Kyrie's death, Gray Death, etc) would enable his pawn Senya to come back again without being chased by everyone.

    If Mere was Shulgi, then it was also a possible way of making the best of a bad situation: Hijack someone in their hierarchy who came hunting for him, then have the only witness dumped into the sun. He now has a foot in the door (telepathy allows him to take over a person's "personhood", so to say) and nobody is going to come looking for Shulgi, who is now in the sun. No witnesses, no distrust, no nothing. Shulgi is dead.

    Once we take out Vajra Shura and defeat the League, there's no obstacle to him except Senya, and Senya is manipulable.

    I really can't see why else would Shulgi take the heat. I mean, the man is not totally without feelings, but I don't think he would take the heat out of Senya out of the goodness of his own heart. I'm surprised nobody thought about it earlier. Only reason I could see Shulgi do it is that eventually he would grown tired and just want it to end, but I'm sure he would do better by just telling Senya to kill him for realz instead.

    Alternatively, Mere is a pawn of Shulgi or someone else, possibly mind-controlled. The Devourer is unavailable, so it can't be him. One of the Council Members wouldn't order his pawn to sabotage Vajra Shula during a war with the Empire and the Federation. The Masters would't sabotage the League, unless it was a renegade (Shulgi's friend/lover/ally?). Or she's actually a pawn of... dumdumdum, EDEM/ARES!

    :troll:

    Awesome, we're gonna expend until Sunday in what is going to become a old codex pasttime: Shulgi Paranoia!
    SHUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUULGIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!
     
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  9. Baltika9 Arcane

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    HE'S EVERYWHERE!
    Seriously, the next LP should have him as a cameo.
     
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  10. Kayerts Arcane

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    Alternatively, Gallardo might have built a Shulgi replica for the League to execute.

    Definitely agree that this guy thinking Shulgi's alive is suspicious. Shulgi's execution was a big deal for the League; if this much better-informed bro thinks he might have survived it, that's interesting.
     
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  11. treave Arcane Patron

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    Or he could just be paranoid. Really, some kid appears out of nowhere, builds political support on Earth, orchestrates the defeat of the Dragon Emperor and gains the support of his legions? Anyone paying attention would suspect something. Even the least detailed of Mere's reports would provoke suspicion, particularly since he was connected to Shulgi before this. Who's to say the dickhead didn't pull a switcheroo?

    Or Mere could be purposely feeding him reports that made him think you're Shulgi. Because she's Shulgi.
     
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  12. Anabanana Augur

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    Or perhaps we're Shulgi and we just think we've been playing Senya all this time! That's why he thinks we're Shulgi, we're actually Shulgi!
     
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  13. Baltika9 Arcane

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    But Mere is also Shulgi.
     
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  14. Storyfag Perfidious Pole Patron

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    I see. The only way treave could let us play Shulgi and not fuck up epically was to not tell us we're playing Shulgi! Well played :salute:
     
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  15. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Flopping back to Broshen!
    It'll suck if he dies.
     
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  16. treave Arcane Patron

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    Wouldn't there be a greater risk of him dying if you toss him at the enemy? Sometimes I don't get the thought processes of you guys. :lol:
     
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  17. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Well, it'll suck, but it's the only way a bro like him should go out. Anyway, I just reviewed the arguments in favor of B and flopped, that was just me being lazy.

    So, unless this guy is stalling for time to let Alpha catch us unaware, we're fine.
     
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  18. treave Arcane Patron

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    I would think that the same lack of knowledge that makes A dangerous to navigate would also mean B is as much of a gamble because you don't know what his abilities are. Too bad no one wanted the Council infodump even though I hinted that one or more of them might be on-board. :lol:
     
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  19. TOME Cuckmaster General

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    Guys, guys. This is do or die time. Don't you think an immortal that old has battled against both gieloths and other immortals? The only weapon we have and he won't expect is the degeneration field. The disintegration won't work because he has regeneration and I'm sure he knows how to counter the slowing effect (or he could just be super fast). So that leaves us weapons he is familiar with; tentacles and gravity suit. Tentacles, really? Against a being that is programmed to kill gieloths? And gravity suit against super human? We can't even beat the lowliest of Dunamis with it and he is at least on par with Shulgi. (Unless he is Shulgi?)

    We can't go and waste our surprise element on a half witted attack. After that it will be too late to pretend to be Shulgi. Or try to delete him. We won't get the chance. So vote anything but the B.

    @Esquilax, this time you seem to want to have your cake and eat it too. You want to disable the Vajra Shula, hijack Vajra, destroy alpha, get this immortals knowledge about the council, Shulgi, masters, League's military, etc (well a little bit exaggerated, but you get the gist). The objective was to destroy or disable Vajra Shula, everything else will make this infiltration more likely to fail and us getting captured/killed. So let's do what we came to do and get the hell out.

    We can delete him. We should delete him. Why? First of all, we need to test the ability. treave said it won't tip the iceberg on ghostpocalypse so that's not to worry. It will have some effect, but not too much. Sure it should only be used as a last resort, true, but we need to test it first. Remember Ean's hunger anyone? Treat this like that. I wonder could he have been able to eat the Tree if he had not become familiar with the ability? Senya needs to do the same. Become familiar with it, add a new weapon to the repertory but use it as a last resort. Our enemies won't get any weaker at this point of the game, so soon we will be back at the same situation we were with Shulgi: we can delete but at the cost of dying or worse.
     
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  20. Storyfag Perfidious Pole Patron

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    Are you trying to imply we, The Codex, herp-derped? :what:
     
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  21. treave Arcane Patron

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    No, the information about the fortress will be useful if you try to sabotage it from the control room, or otherwise make bluffs about it, while the Vajra info would be needed to remove the piece properly or harness the fortress's full power combined with the former option. The Council information would greatly increase your chances of succeeding in tricking or attacking this guy, though I'm not saying it's impossible to do so without it, and knowledge of their military plans would be helpful after this to soundly defeat their fleets. That and make more bluffs.

    Not erasing this chap could partially help compensate for one or more of the above. Maybe.

    The herp-derp hasn't hit the fan just yet. Though perhaps it arguably did the moment I had to write about Senya going into a fortified system alone with little idea of what to expect.
     
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  22. Esquilax Arcane

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    Alright TOME, you've convinced me. If we take a small hit in the short-term that will draw us slightly closer to the apocalypse, it's probably better than fucking up and reloading, which is worse from that standpoint and pretty likely considering our lack of information on the Council. The choice here is basically either making a small sacrifice now vs. risking a reload. Given that we lack the knowledge to pull off either a clever con or exploit the immortal's weaknesses, this seems to be the best thing that we can do in the long run.

    Destroying a powerful immortal is bad on the cosmic scale, but reloading is probably significantly worse. And if we pick A/B, we're probably looking at a reload.

    However, I'd like to point out that him being super-fast is unlikely. The guy isn't a combat specialist and he even told us that he didn't want to go toe-to-toe with our mech. Whatever his non-psychic abilities are, they don't involve him being a combat badass. But yeah, there's plenty of other ways that he can fuck us up.

    But you're right - our mission is to destroy Vajra Shula, and that's what we must do. We've taken a lot of very big risks in this chapter so far, and it's probably time we started to play it safe a little bit before our luck runs out (which is probably soon). We should be content with the new information we've received on the Masters, as it's changed the way we view things here considerably. I've flopped my original post to C

    We should also heed Sekhenun's words of warning before we fought the Devourer:

     
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  23. Kipeci Magister

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    im no one huh : \
     
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  25. treave Arcane Patron

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    Sorry, but you weren't persistently trying to convince others about the folly of their choices so it kinda slipped my mind. :(
     
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