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treave

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Not really, there's at least 2 departments where Shulgi is superior to us: elemental manipulation & telekinesis. Not to mention that we might learn effective mind shielding. But the fact that he can revive is still troublesome... I guess we should eat some of his ashes so that a part of him become faeces...

You already have the basics of that. It'd be like studying a textbook for practical matters - you will know how to do it, but you're still not going to be great at actually doing it if you neglect the knowledge and continue relying on your skill at crushing skulls with your bare hands (not that there's anything wrong with that). Knowing how Shulgi applies his powers may improve how you handle your own, but it won't automatically make you as good as him at using those powers unless you really work at it.
 

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That's not how we should do it. We roast him on a spit, eat his corpse, shit it out in a cement mixer, make a block of concrete, tie it to an anchor, swim out to the Mariana Trench(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariana_Trench), dump him in there, and force sharks to guard his grave. Then we piss on him.

:bro:

But due to the sheer amount of water, the piss might not reach him. What about taking a shit instead? :troll:

And after that we can decide whether to go to America or Northen Europe, and don't forget to monitor weather forecast on the trench closely, especially for news regarding earthquakes/tsunami/tornado; might be Shulgi's doing to escape the sharks
 

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I was originally thinking B but I doubt the benefit of preparation would be worth the 3000+ men Astarth could draw upon if he gains the allegiance of the cities. Knock him out fast and knock him out in the field, where we are master.
 

CappenVarra

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The advisor doesn't have to be Shulgi, you know. Perhaps he is, perhaps he is not. The lies we detected can actually be much simpler: the pharaoh wants us to take a risk so he can be rid of us. Hell, if his fear of us is great enough, I can see how he could send us in on a solo mission and then make a deal with Astarth, telling him we're coming... That's assuming he doesn't yet know our exact identity and abilities. We would've been better off if we told him we're a servant of the gods sent to rid the earth of the dark Gieloth menace (which is basically true; he doesn't have to know the details about our latest information source etc.) - given what we've done so far, he at least would have no reason to think we're one of them... And then reassure him we're not interested in the throne, only the blood of our enemies blah blah (again, basically if not completely true). Assuming you lot are wrong and it's not simply "Shulgi did it" :)
 

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I was thinking of a very simple solution:

Show our magic in front of Wanketh & tell him that we are servants of god like what CappenVarra mentioned. Proving that we are not the tentacles are simple: just cut our limbs & show him there's no tentacle beneath. Then we accuse this might-be-Shulgi for alliance to the Gieloth & shatter his mind, then we would know for sure whether he is really Shulgi. I can't guarantee that this will work though...

Oh by the way, another hint that links this advisor to Shulgi is the fact that Wanketh suspects us as tentacles. Seems that he knows somewhat of the tentacles' strategy to suck people with high power. Who else but an immortal could tell him that?
 

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C might be stupid after our little chat with Wanketh but that's the fastest way to resolve this matter.
 

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Warmongering is what we do best. Move on the three cities, at the head of our army. If Astarth moves on Memphis, we may have to take it back, one way or the other. We're not the Pharaoh, so it's not our head on the stake here. I'd rather be in the field with the army, than at "home" near Wanketh, and to be honest, I don't trust him enough to support his plan and attack Astarth head on.
Also, assassinations are not our forté. We probably would not have taken down Sekhenun, if not for Naram's diversion. Lead men in the field, that we can do. We're honourable, we inspire loyalty, and we're nigh unstoppable in the melee.
 

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It looks like C2 is going to win, but I'll still vote A2. I actually like C2 and would pick it if not for the fact that it's what Wanketh and Kumare want us to do.

If it fails and fucks up our reunification of Egypt, oh well. We tried. I think most of us weren't intending to stay here long term anyway. I do think we should try to find out who this Kumare really is and kill him if it's Shulgi before we leave.
 

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It looks like C2 is going to win, but I'll still vote A2. I actually like C2 and would pick it if not for the fact that it's what Wanketh and Kumare want us to do.
If it fails and fucks up our reunification of Egypt, oh well. We tried. I think most of us weren't intending to stay here long term anyway. I do think we should try to find out who this Kumare really is and kill him if it's Shulgi before we leave.

I think rather than going through the trouble finding out who is he, we can just fuck this shit & kill him right away... then run to the north. Makes no real difference if we plan to leave anyway, unless you really want to bring Egypt to new heights
 

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It looks like C2 is going to win, but I'll still vote A2. I actually like C2 and would pick it if not for the fact that it's what Wanketh and Kumare want us to do.
If it fails and fucks up our reunification of Egypt, oh well. We tried. I think most of us weren't intending to stay here long term anyway. I do think we should try to find out who this Kumare really is and kill him if it's Shulgi before we leave.

I think rather than going through the trouble finding out who is he, we can just fuck this shit & kill him right away... then run to the north. Makes no real difference if we plan to leave anyway, unless you really want to bring Egypt to new heights

Well that wouldn't really be in line with our honorable character so far. Egypt deserves a good faith effort from us now that we committed to it and we should at least be beyond a reasonable doubt that Kumare is Shulgi before killing him.
 

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The problem with A is that if the three cities were not fully behind Astarth before, it risks putting them firmly in that camp. (They could also decide it's not worth it and join us, but we probably won't get to influence which way the dice falls.) I don't like doing what Wanketh wants either, but C2 seems to be a decent option not only on the objective of defeating Astarth, but also finding out more about this assassination business (which may go ahead even if we refuse) and to potentially drive a wedge between Wanketh and Kumare.
 

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treave: Can we just opt to grab him and shatter the guy's mind now? We can act surprised and say he suffered some sort of seizure. Even if he's not Shulgi, we'd still learn more about the new pharaoh.

Edit: Also, if it is Shulgi, then c is the worst choice we could make. What happened the last time we left Shulgi at home while we went to war?
 

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Maybe we shouldn't shatter the guy's mind just like that. If it is not Shulgi, then we killed Pharaoh's advisor. If it is, then we have a battle of minds and that's not very smart thing to do considering our prowessness is swords. Just cut him "accidentally" and see if he heals.
 

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I don't know we might want to just kill the turd before he can do anything bad in that light:
C
3 kill this "advisor" and don't follow through with the assassination plan.

it might even be Naram for all we know.

I wouldn't mind testing out the Honour Blade *still unnamed* on his wicked and black heart
 

a cut of domestic sheep prime

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Well, the easier way would be to simply touch him and see if he really can shield his mind. Trouble is that once we do that Shulgi will know we know and we'll have a harder time getting the drop on him.
edit: And skewering the guy will definately make an enemy of the pharaoh.
 

TOME

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Didn't we change our appearance and name? It's a long shot but Shulgi might not recognize us, so cutting him wouldn't give us away. But then again we really haven't been hiding our identity.
 

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Oh, if it's Shulgi he already knows who we are - based on our combat prowess, our sword with the psychic presence identifiable as us, our own ability to conceal thoughts, etc - otherwise he wouldn't be trying to lure us into a trap. He just doesn't know we know who he is so now might be our chance to catch him off guard.

Us seeing him regen would alert him to our knowledge of his identity and give him an opportunity to accuse us of being a tentacle agent who attacked him - seems like he's been sowing those ideas into Wanketh already given the pharaoh's open allegation against us.
 

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And if shatter his mind, we can always say that this is a symptom of transformation into a Children of Sekhenum and ask our companions to confirm our lie, allowing us to cut him to pieces to "free him from all worldly burdens"
 

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Sounds good to me.
Best case it's Shulgi and we stop him from screwing us over yet again. Worst case it's not Shulgi and we learn if Wanker can be trusted or not.
My vote is is to shatter his mind now while his guard is down.
 

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And if it is Shulgi:

My Pharaoh, that's not enough.
You know, these creatures can regenerate fast enough, he'll be reborn in a few weeks!
We have to cremate him & purify his ashes on the waters of the nile!

And see you 2 millenia later Shulgi
 

treave

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I didn't think Ean was written as the sort to put a sword through someone, or utterly break their mind, just because he might be another immortal that you think is out to harm you. I suppose the failing is mine. :lol:
So it only takes 300 years to become a bitter, cynical paranoid.
 

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