Inactive [LP CYOA] Overlord

[a cut of domestic sheep prime]

I do not mind running through the streets much - it is an emergency. If anything, this shows that we care.

It's more the lack of knowledge/direction. It lessens the chance that we will find anyone in time. That and the fact that we will be in public with a dead body in the middle of a city that doesn't necessarily trust us - see our -10 reputation. All that has to happen is a chase by the guards or them wanting to bring us in for questioning to delay us long enough that any healing spell won't be enough. That or her fiance somehow complicating matters.

If priests could revive people in our world, I assume there is no reason theirs can't.

It's possible the spell exists here. The magic here appears to function the same way it does in our world. Doesn't mean that the spell does or will exist here though. Sort of like how the prince had never seen petrification magic - it's possible here because it works here, but no one has invented it yet - or at least, no one that has shown it off yet.

It is a question of whether or not such a priest exists in this time and place, but I don't think we have a better chance finding one than in the capital of the bigget kingdom around... safe maybe from Byarlant Empire.

So first we stop and ask for directions to a temple, then assuming we don't get arrested when we do or along the way, we get to the temple and hope that someone can actually help us. If it doesn't work out, her body will be confiscated, returned to her family and that will be the end of it - well, apart from them blaming us for her death.

Based of this two quotes, I can see that they are aware of souls, and that there is a High Priest of Yuiria, so chances are quite high that it will succeed, if we play our cards right.

Having a mythology concerning the soul doesn't equate to knowing how to manipulate it. In fact, the idea that humans have a "pure soul" when Erd himself is proof that humans and non-humans aren't so different would suggest a lack of knowledge about souls, not an advanced knowledge of them.

There seems to be a strange aspect of magic in this world that comes from combining powers.

I think this is less to do with this world and more to do with different nations with different magical knowledge. There is no guarantee that Methuss possesses the same magic as the mages that attacked at Erise.

 

[treave]

In A, you will use Invisibility, then head straight for the largest temple-like building you can see. If there are any problems it won't be with getting there.

 

[Nevill]

It's more the lack of knowledge/direction.

Ask for the Grand Temple of Yuiria or something. There is hardly a better direction than this. I assume the whereabouts of the High Priest are well known.

That and the fact that we will be in public with a dead body in the middle of a city that doesn't necessarily trust us - see our -10 reputation.

Well, you can see Kipeci's arguments about how the same can be said of Wist's sudden disappearance while Zayan does her magic.

If we solve this successfully, reputation is not going to be our problem, as there would be a good explanation. If we do.

By the way, why is it not possible to leave the corpse, find the priest, teleport back for the body? It is much less dramatic, though, so it probably won't happen.

So first we stop and ask for directions to a temple, then assuming we don't get arrested when we do or along the way

There is no one who can arrest us here - not within their power, really. We don't even have to fight.

If it doesn't work out, her body will be confiscated, returned to her family and that will be the end of it

And if Zayan's plan does not work out?

The plans are made on the assumption that they will work out, and I think A stands a pretty good chance, all things considered. Yes, there will be 'side effects', but that's pretty much granted, considering that a niece of the top noble in the city just got offed on our watch.

In fact, the idea that humans have a "pure soul" when Erd himself is proof that humans and non-humans aren't so different would suggest a lack of knowledge about souls, not an advanced knowledge of them.

It is the same bias that exists in our world - a belief that healing and resurrection only work on humans is reinforced by the local temples. It is yet another similarity.

Edit:

Sort of like how the prince had never seen petrification magic - it's possible here because it works here, but no one has invented it yet - or at least, no one that has shown it off yet.

There are Healing spells, though. That raises the chances that a reviving spell exists.

However, there must be a reason why it is rare. The requirements must be so severe that not even a royal family could afford the resurrection of their Second Prince. So that's something one must be ready for.

 

[a cut of domestic sheep prime]

And if Zayan's plan does not work out?

As I said, she becomes part of our frozen dead girl collection until we can find a skillful priest and/or a powerful enough resurrection spell. treave has already said that A will not be a have your cake and eat it too option, so I don't think that freezing her will be an option in A.

The plans are made on the assumption that they will work out, and I think A stands a pretty good chance, all things considered. Yes, there will be 'side effects', but that's pretty much granted, considering that a niece of the top noble in the city just got offed on our watch.

You actually have no idea what chance A has of working based on what I've pointed out about our lack of knowledge about their magic. That's kinda my whole point.

It is the same bias that exists in our world - a belief that healing and resurrection only work on humans is reinforced by the local temples. It is yet another similarity.

Humans being biased against non-humans in both worlds doesn't mean both worlds share the same magical abilities. Again, despite that oh-so-shocking similarity, petrification magic does not appear to exist here.

To state it again for clarity, religious and cultural beliefs do not equate to magical knowledge, ergo similarities of religious and cultural beliefs do not equate to similarities of magical knowledge.

 

[Nevill]

As I said, she becomes part of our frozen dead girl collection until we can find a skillful priest and/or a powerful enough resurrection spell. treave has already said that A will not be a have your cake and eat it too option, so I don't think that freezing her will be an option in A.

Yes, yes, but what does that mean in context of our dealings with Methuss? I think that's what concerned you?

You actually have no idea what chance A has of working based on what I've pointed out about our lack of knowledge about their magic. That's kinda my whole point.

And my whole point is that the things we've seen make me more optimistic about it.

Humans hating non-humans in both worlds doesn't mean they both share the same magical abilities.

No, it doesn't. What, do you want me to quote passages from spellbooks? We are both talking assumptions.

There are healing spells, there are temples, there are beliefs about souls (with much the same bias against monsterfolk), and there are Gods that supposedly grant miracles. That makes me suspect that this branch of magic does not differ too much from ours.

 

[a cut of domestic sheep prime]

There are Healing spells, though. That raises the chances that a reviving spell exists.

There is lightning magic, doesn't mean they have Gygadyne.

However, there must be a reason why it is rare. The requirements must be so severe that not even a royal family could afford the resurrection of their Second Prince. So that's something one must be ready for.

Indeed. If indeed it exists at all, there must be quite a catch to it.

Yes, yes, but what does that mean in context of our dealings with Methuss? I think that's what concerned you?

Not so much. More that we'd lose all hope of resurrecting her if we are arrested. Plus the fact that we would be arrested. There is a difference between being caught and assumed guilty and fleeing and being assumed guilty.

And my whole point is that the things we've seen make me more optimistic about it.

But you haven't seen anything. What aren't you getting about that? You have zero hard evidence of resurrection magic. Only the belief in a soul. Most religions in the real world believe in a soul. Does that mean they have actual resurrection magic that their priests use today?

No, it doesn't. What, do you want me to quote passages from spellbooks? We are both talking assumptions.

I want you to admit the risks involved. We have zero idea of whether or not they can resurrect her. The same with Zayan - though her miraculous, quickly-made inventions and history of human experimentation would suggest that she could have the knowledge - but the difference with Zayan is that her body would be under our control and we would have already escaped the city.

There are healing spells, there are temples, there are beliefs about souls (with much the same bias against monsterfolk), and there are Gods that supposedly grant miracles. That makes me suspect that this branch of magic does not differ too much from ours.

A healing spell is one thing. A revive spell is on a whole other level. Again, there are lightning spells, there are lightning wolves, that doesn't mean they have gygadyne.

 

[Nevill]

doing a fetch quest for resurrection magicks

That would be one nifty magicks to have, though.

There is a difference between being caught and assumed guilty and fleeing and being assumed guilty.

Do tell.

If you are assumed guilty, you need to be caught and stand trial. If you are assumed guilty and flee... you need to be caught and stand trial.

Edit:

A healing spell is one thing. A revive spell is on a whole other level. Again, there are lightning spells, there are lightning wolves, that doesn't mean they have gygadyne.

If I wanted to get anal about this, I could always mention that no one but us has Gigadyne, both in this world and in ours. The spell is unique.

 

[a cut of domestic sheep prime]

If you are assumed guilty, you need to be caught and stand trial. If you are assumed guilty and flee... you need to be caught and stand trial.

I think you missed the word "caught" in "caught and assumed guilty". Again, if we are caught in the city, that raises the chance that they will somehow get the drop on us and capture us right there - a poison dart when we least expect it, some unexpected spell, some plot by the archmage etc. Similar to how the Erise mages got the drop on us with the antimagic spell they shouldn't have been able to cast. If we flee, they will have to find us and right now they don't know where we are.

 

[Nevill]

I want you to admit the risks involved.

I have admitted both the risk and the cost.

However, you seem to think that Zayan's alternative is much better both if it succeeds or if it fails...

 

[treave]

There is a difference between being caught and assumed guilty and fleeing and being assumed guilty.

Nah, the difference is between a potential murder charge in A and a certain kidnapping charge in B.

Up to you guys to weigh the risks and advantages though.

 

[a cut of domestic sheep prime]

Nevill I do. Because if it suceeds, we will be far from the city and she will be our...guest. If it fails, we will be far from the city and can freeze her and plan what to do next. Even if we can't freeze her for whatever reason, we still have more breathing room than being in a potentially hostile city.

edit: well, a kidnapping charge is better than a murder charge. *cough* Plus, there is the opportunity for ransom. I had wanted to kidnap her from the beginning anyway.

 

[Nevill]

Because if it suceeds, we will be far from the city

I don't place much importance on being far from the city. As I said, I don't think there is anything that can stop us, short of an army. And perhaps not even it, considering that there is nothing really holding us in the city.

Getting out of the city won't be a problem. It's what you do afterwards that is. No way Hargreave would let it slide.

I had wanted to kidnap her from the beginning anyway.

But... what about Princess Faislin? 17 years old, fresh from the University... if we had to make away with a maiden and send a whole kingdom after us, why not aim higher?

 

[a cut of domestic sheep prime]

I don't place much importance on being far from the city. As I said, I don't thing there is anything that can stop us, short of an army. And perhaps not even it, considering that there is nothing really holding us in the city.

I think that Erise should have taught us not to get overconfident by assuming what an enemy can or can't do. Especially not when we're going to be distracted by Wist's death.

Getting out of the city won't be a problem. It's what you do afterwards that is. No way Hargreave would let it slide.

Well, if she lives and isn't too...altered by Zayan, we can always claim she wanted to come with us for a visit and let her absolve us herself. Wouldn't be the first time a bride-to-be to an old man got cold feet and left him at the alter regardless. Especially not when a tall-hat-wearing gentleman mage takes her out for a date.

But... what about Princess Faislin? 17 years old, fresh from the University... if we had to make away with a maiden, why not aim higher?

I find your lack of harem disturbing, young padawan. Why not kidnap all the pretty girls?

 

[treave]

But... what about Princess Faislin? 17 years old, fresh from the University... if we had to make away with a maiden an send a whole kingdom after us, why not aim higher?

If you didn't get involved in the duel during the banquet, Farland would have offered to have his sister and Leila show you around the city.

 

[Nevill]

we can always claim she wanted to come with us for a visit and let her absolve us herself.

I don't think we want her coming out of Grahferde afterwards. For security reasons, if nothing else.

I think a substitute golem is a given.

If you didn't get involved in the duel during the banquet

You offered Codex a duel.

The other options may as well not have existed, even if they had promises of riches and glory written in plain text.

 

[a cut of domestic sheep prime]

I think a substitute golem is a given.

Well, perhaps... I was thinking it'd end up being more "million dollar woman", "We can rebuild her. Faster. Stronger.".

treave, what does Erdrick think about the likelihood of Zayan reviving her with her beauty and/or soul intact?

 

[lightbane]

I hate it when it happens, but GK and co have a point: even if A is successful, we'll be considered guilty of attempted murder and our reputation will take a nose-dive. With B, we'll be considered a kidnapper and our reputation will fall... But certainly less because kidnapping is not as bad as murder, right? Besides, even if Zayan fails, she should be able to make a hastily-done flesh golem that can pass as the real thing. If said substitute later on develops a taste for human flesh, it's not our problem.
More importantly, B ensures Zayan will be distracted for a while and not attempt to discover what's Erd's true nature, which will most certainly result into being strapped into her operating table and be vivisected by a giant, magnetite-powered drill.

Therefore, I change my votes to:

A

Also, regardless of what happens, we have to remember there's that Adventurer Guild that's planning to come closer to our territory. That cannot be tolerated. Lastly, once this crisis is dealt with, I say Erdrick should spend a few days teaching the basics of human anatomy to Rin, Zayan and the twins. Better to be safe than sorry.

 

[treave]

treave, what does Erdrick think about the likelihood of Zayan reviving her with her beauty and/or soul intact?

It's Zayan.

Erdrick can't predict anything concrete because he doesn't know all her methods, and isn't holding out for the chance of full resurrection, but if there's any stop-gap measure available to make-pretend everything is okay, he'll take that for now.

 

[Nevill]

I hate it when it happens, but GK and co have a point: even if A is successful, we'll be considered guilty of attempted murder and our reputation will take a nose-dive.

I am sorry, but you seem to miss the point - we only get accused of murder if Wist dies and remains dead. Simply because they have a dead body who can't clarify what happened.

There is nothing pointing at an attempted murder - and Wist certainly is not going to accuse us of one.

Also, regardless of what happens, we have to remember there's that Adventurer Guild that's planning to come closer to our territory. That cannot be tolerated.

But they pay good money for it. Perhaps this is one way to pay the bills for whatever operation it will take to bring Wist back.

 

[lightbane]

A guard saw us getting with her in the same boat. And people knows Erd has a cow as one of his companions. If Wist remembers the details of her attack, that may be enough for them to consider us guilty. It doesn't help Erd already has a bad reputation.

 

[Nevill]

A guard saw us getting with her in the same boat.

Sure. I don't know why it matters if Wist can confirm it herself, though.

If Wist remembers the details of her attack, that may be enough for them to consider us guilty.

Do you seriously think that Wist is going to accuse us after all the trouble we would go through to revive her?

Who exactly do you think she is?

How is this an attempted murder if we succeed in resurrecting her? If we wanted to attempt murder - if that's our goal, why the resurrection?

How does it make sense?

 

[a cut of domestic sheep prime]

It's Zayan.

Erdrick can't predict anything concrete because he doesn't know all her methods, and isn't holding out for the chance of full resurrection, but if there's any stop-gap measure available to make-pretend everything is okay, he'll take that for now.

So at worst we could be talking Weekend at Bernies and at best we are probably talking about a flesh robot that may or may not have a soul. All of these options sound awesome! :D

*sigh*

...but I find it inconsistent that we would mourn the loss of Mieren and not at least try to resurrect her. I mean, it is different because Mieren was our friend and Kyle murdered her because we betrayed him (this was just Rin being her loveable self), but she is still an innocent hottie and it is sort of our fault she's dead, so for the sake of character consistency:

Flopping to A>B

I still have my doubts as to whether or not it will work, but the intent of our character is what's important to me.

 

[Nevill]

I dunno who she is. Who exactly do you think she is?

First, she is a noble knight, with all the assumptions of what is 'fair' and 'appropriate', and what isn't that it entails. We've got a glimpse of it during the duel, both with Arlin and with us.

I do know who exactly she thinks we are, though.

An uppity mage who is also a good fencing partner and is a better date than her fiance could ever hope to be.

Did you miss that she seemed to be enjoying the date... until it was interrupted, that is?

shit over her fighting skill without trying

That is called 'being a worthy opponent'. Unlike Nostrils, she seems to appreciate those.

demanded she give us a tour that she didn't want to give

She is a free woman. She can do whatever she wants. This was the whole point we wanted to get across.

Have we done anything to her or her friends that she would rate decent behaviour yet? Anything at all?

Like... I don't know, a resurrection? That would be pretty decent, no?

We expect her to not want this disreputable little shit to stand trial for all the trouble that he caused in a few short days? Why not? Why would she have any sympathy for our dilemma?

Because she would owe us her life? That she knows for certain we didn't take. We didn't kill her. In fact, she is not our responsibility at all.

Well, she kind of is, because we would be (wrongly) accused of kidnapping/murder/whatnot if we dumped her back in the river instead of solving the problem, but there is no real moral obligation for us to do anything for her, and if we still do... We know she is big on honor and other knight values.

Then again, I remember you advocating that Rin will certainly betray us the first chance she gets, so...

 

[a cut of domestic sheep prime]

If you had brought up that argument at any other point than right now, just before all of Methuss thinks we're a dangerous oddball as a best scenario due to her initiative, then I would not be laughing quite so well. Thank you for waiting for the perfect moment.

It's not like she has some brilliant plan to betray us and meant for it to happen. She's just a hyper-strong moron. Like in Of Mice And Men. A hot, loveable moron though.

 

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