Magic the Gathering Arena

[Multi-headed Cow]

The pony that's presenting toward the viewer, obviously. What kind of horsefucker do you take me for Dawkins? I like 'em eager.

 

[Dawkinsfan69]

The pony that's presenting toward the viewer, obviously. What kind of horsefucker do you take me for Dawkins? I like 'em eager.

Her horn is even lighting up

top left is like the spunky goth chick that's been around but bottom left is a beutiful princes

Imma buy em all

 

[Dawkinsfan69]

btw milling opp's full deck turn 4 totally legit in eld

 

[Multi-headed Cow]

Never even thought about Folio being bullshit in limited, god damn. That's kind of funny.

 

[lukaszek]

deterministic system > RNG

 

[Jason Liang]

It never works out for me and non-browser based online games. Always connection issues.

Actually the real reason for paper is:

which by itself is already nuts, but combo with

and as Gambit would say, "Laissez les bon temps roulez!"

 

[anvi]

Fucking Gates decks... The zombie making land may as well just say "once you have 7 lands, you win" :/

 

[spectre]

In case you forgot, Field of the Dead is Ego-able.

It's nowhere near as explosive without Scapeshift, think of it as a test - is you deck fast enough, is my wincon decisive enough.

Hast ye heard?
It's now theoretically possible to cast a turn 1 Arclight Benis. You need Once Upon a Time, Rosethorn Acolyte, Merchant of the Vale. Or acolytes and the merchant.
Then the Benis eats a shock and all is well again.
Not sure if there's a deck in it. Three color mana base will not be fast, though a lot of good pieces are there. All that draw might grow a sizeable faerie vandal as a side product.
Most of this shit is common and uncommon. I think imma be brewing tonight and my rank will suffer for it.


While I've yet to craft or get any Murderous Knights (and all of my black decks suffer for it), but even without them Lucky Clover is fucking bananas, you get insane value out of shit like Order of Midnight and Smitten Swordmaster.

 

[anvi]

I don't think I will ever beat that land with this deck. I beat a lot of those red elemental decks though, little creatures that attack and the enchantment that lets them do 1 damage for every attack. As long as my draw is ok, I can win :D I got excited about reaching Gold Tier 3 but then I saw it is barely even half way I need to work on a net deck to get to higher ranks but most of my cards are white and black. Limits my options. Is there a trick to finding net decks? I searched for "tournament winning decks" and saw several ones that had won 5-0 in the past month or so. Is there any other way to find decks?

 

[spectre]

Most people seem to get their netdecks from here:
https://www.mtgtop8.com/format?f=ST
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/standard#paper

It's a bit silly to see these lists copied verbatim, cause they're all for Bo3.
So, either make adjustments for Bo1 (or roll with it, Bo3 takes more time but can be more rewarding).
The meta is also a bit diferent in Bo3, usually the simple red decks do not fare well in this environment because it's super easy to sideboard against them,
but if a deck is posted online and someone's won something with it, you're pretty much guaranteed to see it on Arena.

If you want something with an actual description, try starcitygames.com, or channelfireball.com they sometimes show specific decks with instructions on sideboarding.

 

[Dawkinsfan69]

I did the meme!

ha ha ah ah a

 

[anvi]

Thanks. I just got beat by a slightly different version of this overpowered bullshit:

https://aetherhub.com/Deck/Public/164738

Really crazy deck. Blood for Bones wins the game on turn 4 basically, he sacs a little creature and brings out Agent of Treachery, steals one of my lands. Then does it again next turn, I now can't really play because I am mana screwed. And then he clones the agent a few times, steals more land, and then bounces an agent a few times. Very soon he can do the "draw 3 cards" thing which just takes him even further ahead. I only got to play a few cards before he won. :/

 

[Jason Liang]

Hast ye heard?
It's now theoretically possible to cast a turn 1 Arclight Benis. You need Once Upon a Time, Rosethorn Acolyte, Merchant of the Vale. Or acolytes and the merchant.
Then the Benis eats a shock and all is well again.
Not sure if there's a deck in it. Three color mana base will not be fast, though a lot of good pieces are there. All that draw might grow a sizeable faerie vandal as a side product.
Most of this shit is common and uncommon. I think imma be brewing tonight and my rank will suffer for it.

I been brewing Legacy over on The Source, seems like Deafening Silence has killed Fenis there, should have the same effect on Standard as well.

 

[spectre]

This does preemptively kill Benis in Bo3, although rule of law has been around for some time and I haven't really seen it played at all, even when Feather was quite popular.
I don't think anybody is going to play this in BO1, which is pretty much what I am counting on.

 

[Dawkinsfan69]

that's a whole lot of building around to get a 3/2 on the board. Good luck killing someone in standard by whacking them with the same creature for 7 turns

 

[spectre]

Exactly what I said. However, it's not that all those cards are suddenly wasted. And if it's theoretically possible on turn one, it means it should be quite consistent later on. And pulling a Benis out on turn three is still good,
provided you can get them in multiples.
The interesting part is the blue component of a typical build is no longer needed - GR provides all the needed pieces - the storm count and the card draw (Inkeeper).
My current problem is getting a decent enough shell to build around it. While most of this stuff is an adventure, meaning no cards are really lost. I'm a bit short on wildcards to get a whole set of Lovestruck Beasts and Stomping Giants, which feel important.
However, the biggest problem with the whole ordeal thus far is that Merchant of the Vale and Rosethorn Acolytes aren't terribly exciting to cast as creatures and any card draw from the Inkeeper feels a bit like consolation proze.

 

[Dawkinsfan69]

Ok this is some special type of bullshit

how the fuck u gonna get THREE charmed sleep + THREE trapped in a tower + fucking circle of loyalty + goose egg/fetch sideboard removals and whatever other literal bullshit I had to deal with this sealed match that I forgot about

 

[Dawkinsfan69]

T1: Cat
T2: Witch Oven
T3: Trail of Crumb
T5: 8/8 Troll

3-piece combo in play by T3 then drop killer bomb T5. Nope, this isn't constructed. This is sealed!

fuck this bullshit game

 

[anvi]

Lost all my enthusiasm for this game now, starting to see all the things I don't like. Playing ranked is nothing but net deck faggotry, and to join in will take a lot of grind, and you can't buy cards you want. Login each day, do dailies to get more cards to make more netdecks. More like a job than a game. And all just to play World of RNG with other dipshits playing decks they copied. I can't stand it if I'm honest. It's not what MTG should be about, especially in Standard format which is already basic with not many interesting interactions. Deckbuilding should be the biggest and most important part of this game, but they have basically removed that entire aspect completely. Just a bunch of mindless zombie players copying a list, playing it against other copied lists, all to win gold to buy another copied list in the future. I get that half the people only do it because they have to, to compete, but still, the result is degenerate bullshit.

Also the netdecks aren't even fun to play, or smart. Most of the interactions are not thought up by genius players, they are basic shit that was explicitly designed by WOTC. You are supposed to use a vast understanding and knowledge of other cards to find the perfect interaction with some other interaction, and it will likely be something nobody else has ever thought of. Especially in other formats. It is fascinating and complex, whereas this is just: Hasted shit + Cavalcade = 25/3 flying creature. It also makes for boring matches because every single game is 1 out of only about 7 decks. Most games are the food recycling shit, the cavalcade shit, or the gates shit. Sad form of MTG.

It also forces such a limited type of play. For example I noticed things on day 1, like how there is no sideboard... so enchants and artifacts are super powerful because hardly anyone has any removal for them. But I can't use that observation to my advantage because there are no good cards for it. If I put a bunch of Disenchant in my deck then it fucks me against creature decks. In other formats you get cards that can deal with multiple things. Austere Command etc. It makes for much more interesting gameplay when you can think of an angle that you want for a deck and then make it happen. You just can't do that in standard, the choice is basically fuck around with junk that will make you lose 50%, or build one of these 7 decks that make all other decks completely obsolete, and then you just basically play rock paper scissors with owners of those other 6 decks.

I would have liked to make a glorious ego deck that fucks netdeckers in ranked, but it would take me months of boring grind to build it. Also there just isn't much chance for a good deck builder to do their thing, because the meta is so limited that the 7 netdecks are always going to be the most efficient ways to win. Other formats are no better really, in extended/classic you still play against 100% netdeck faggotry, the only difference is that you get more options to make a homebrew that might be able to beat netdeckers, but they also have more options too so play 4 egos by turn 4 and the match is pointless.

I think I need to try some other CCGs :/

 

[Multi-headed Cow]

Ayyyyyyyyyyyyy lmao. Opponent playing Golos field/gates, me playing degenerate jund adventures. We get into a holding pattern with me assassin's trophying his fields and keeping the zombie number manageable with the occasional legion's end, he boardwipes/3feri/zombies to stop me from beating him up. Both decks are getting super low, in the 10s-20s range. Finally stick a Vraska on the board, keep upticking her until I can ult, and then manage to play American Giant X to curbstomp zombies (With 4 clovers on board) and double trophy to reduce his blockers enough to sneak a point in and poke him. Match took forever and I'm sure the dude thought he won like 5 fucking times, but innkeeper/clover/bird of return target creature from graveyard gets shit done. My two general plans were either curbstomp him to death (Set aside when he cast planewide celebration for a fuckton of life) or ult Vraska and Vraska just BARELY fucking made it.

Tempted to try to squeeze some Garruk in there just because Garruk and Vraska go together so well, but eh. Nothing I feel very comfortable cutting for him.

 

[lukaszek]

deterministic system > RNG

 

[lukaszek]

deterministic system > RNG

 

[lobsterfrogman]

Or... you cna try reaching ranked diamond. This is where clear waters are

Unfortunately clear waters seem to lie at mythic. The reason is that people grind to mythic for the monthly rewards and once they can't win more goodies they start playing more for fun (most decks are still meta as majority of people enjoy winning but there is less netdecks in mythic than in gold).

 

[spectre]

I think I need to try some other CCGs :/

Unfortunately, you will be back. Shit's the same in all other online CCGs. There is also this phenomenon of "Gold Hell" in MTGA, since nearly fucking everyone ends up in gold eventually - silver players will eventually get to gold with winrate 50%, higher rank players are reverted back at the start of the season and everyone wants to move up, which creates that tryhard atmosphere with "flavor of the day" decks all day. So I don't know really, do you need to stay at low ranks to avoid netdecks? You'd have to throw games on purpose, because getting out of silver is pretty much automatic if you have any grey matter left between your ears. Perhaps the solution is to avoid ranked entirely.

On the other hand, a lot of what you're talking about can be rectified by playing Bo3 games. Can't promise you won't avoid netdecks, because people really copy their decks 1:1, the good thing is you'll avoid some of the more brainless strategies that are easy to sideboard against.
Biggest problem for me is the required time investment, but that's a trade off for higher quality of games played.

meh that event... must be extremely lucky not to get mana screwed twice. My rakdos kittens were pulling only lands

speaking of kittens, spectre you should replace theater with midnight reaper. Also got 1 dreadhorde invasion to keep sacrifices flowing if needed

Good call on the midnight rapist. Fixes the major problem I had with the Theater not being a threat in itself. Or perhaps I just wanted to try out some of the cards I never use.
I think I just forgot about the Dreadhorde Invasion. Last time I played with it, it kept killing me. I think I'd want another sac outlet to justify it. Perhaps two Priests, but whatever should I swap for those?

I would tell you how the deck fares after these changes, but I keep not drawing these things.

 

[Jason Liang]

Lost all my enthusiasm for this game now, starting to see all the things I don't like.

Ranked is cancer, so is Standard right now. If you had started last year, the meta was decent. Ah to go back to the days of complaining about Crackling Drake and Niv Mizzet! Unfortunately Standard has been in decline since RNA. Sadly you missed the glorious golden age of Pirates entirely.

Don't even bother with Ranked Constructed, except to get out of Bronze/ Silver. An extra pack is not worth it.

Play when you feel like, don't feel a need to grind daily, don't get attached, make alt accounts to try different decks.

Hopefully the next set will have more Welsh/ Prydain folklore cards, then I will brew harder. Could we get an oracular pig?

BTW Extended no longer exists, it's just Legacy now. And Legacy is pretty fun, there's some serious brewing going on right now.