Mass Effect Legendary Edition remaster trilogy

[NJClaw]

Lacrymas: "I wouldn't fuck this imaginary woman"
The entire Codex: "WHAT DID YOU SAY YOU LITTLE PIECE OF SHIT IMMEDIATELY FUCK THIS WOMAN"

 

[Lacrymas]

Lacrymas: "I wouldn't fuck this imaginary woman"
The entire Codex: "WHAT DID YOU SAY YOU LITTLE PIECE OF SHIT IMMEDIATELY FUCK THIS WOMAN"

They defend her because they personally hold similar, if not the same, beliefs, not because I wouldn't fuck her. This is a classic example of damage control, she IS xenophobic at least in ME1 without a shadow of a doubt (they even admit that), but they want to mellow out her more taboo/unacceptable statements in order to secretly push agendas.

RE: Cerberus and Ashley - this is a classic case of disavowal. Distancing yourself from others with similar beliefs who are perceived as extreme in whatever culture you are in in order to protect yourself and continue working for the cause in secret and dogwhistles. I'm not saying Ashley is this out there, but I am saying her comments about Cerberus don't let her off the hook.

 

[Larianshill]

Ashley did nothing wrong, and her beliefs are not that extreme at all, considering the very recent history between humans and aliens.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

codex: everything ashley did was justified
retards: WAHHH MUH XENOPHILIA I HATE MYSELF BECAUSE MY DAD ABANDONED ME

 

[Lacrymas]

Equating aliens with dogs/animals in one of her first conversations is justified?

 

[Larianshill]

Yes.

 

[NJClaw]

codex: everything ashley did was justified
retards: WAHHH MUH XENOPHILIA I HATE MYSELF BECAUSE MY DAD ABANDONED ME

I know it's hard for you to read due to your condition, but I'm defending Ashley in this conversation. I just thought it was funny how a 4 pages discussion sprung from Lacrymas' sexual preferences once again.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Equating aliens with dogs/animals in one of her first conversations is justified?

You mean the dog-walker conversation?
She was comparing humans to the dog. Humans would be the dog in that scenario.

 

[Lacrymas]

It's not so much a sexual preference as a preference in romantic partners. I've had enough experience with extreme personalities in order to say it's not exactly a comfortable ride. When those extreme personalities start flirting with the law a bit too much it becomes dangerous. I'm not saying don't hold extreme political beliefs, I myself am radical in my beliefs, but having such a romantic partner is not the wisest choice.

 

[Lacrymas]

Equating aliens with dogs/animals in one of her first conversations is justified?

You mean the dog-walker conversation?
She was comparing humans to the dog. Humans would be the dog in that scenario.

Yeah, I just listened to the conversation again and I seem to have misremembered it. However, it's very easy to point out she says that because she thinks this way about aliens and assumes they are the same.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Equating aliens with dogs/animals in one of her first conversations is justified?

You mean the dog-walker conversation?
She was comparing humans to the dog. Humans would be the dog in that scenario.

Yeah, I just listened to the conversation again and I seem to have misremembered it. However, it's very easy to point out she says that because she thinks this way about aliens and assumes they are the same.

but she was right
in ME3 they all go piss off and put themselves first and you have to solve all their bullshit before they're willing to work together to actually stop the reapers

 

[Lacrymas]

Like I said multiple times already, this is not about whether she's right or wrong.

 

[Larianshill]

Now, to be fair, Earth is not the only planet in trouble, they're all in deep shit. It would be silly to expect them to put humans before their own people, when all of them are in equally terrible situation. It's not like aliens see that Earth is getting fucked, and ditch you so they can prepare to defend against the Reapers better - they're also currently under attack.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Like I said multiple times already, this is not about whether she's right or wrong.

wow if I have to choose between being a bigot or getting blown up by giant space robots I choose getting blown up
wow
can you even believe being a bigot?!
just wow

 

[Nano]

RE: Cerberus and Ashley - this is a classic case of disavowal. Distancing yourself from others with similar beliefs who are perceived as extreme in whatever culture you are in in order to protect yourself and continue working for the cause in secret and dogwhistles. I'm not saying Ashley is this out there, but I am saying her comments about Cerberus don't let her off the hook.

Or it could be, you know, because she remembers all the creepy experiments they were doing back in ME1. Not to mention their assassination of Admiral Kahoku.

 

[J1M]

But it does influence her decisions, the decision to shoot Wrex. I don't know what to say, though, you are arguing in bad faith. I'm 100% sure you know private opinions can lead to bad stuff happening. I also said she's an extremist *in the universe they are in*, you don't need to have done the stuff you profess in order to be an extremist (and the whole point was that you never know when she's gonna do the bad stuff), but you are just too biased against me for some reason or another to see past yourself. It's also not about "being not 100% inline with the zeitgeist", it's about holding taboo opinions that can lead to unlawful actions within the universe they are in and those could get you in trouble. It's not even necessarily about whether she's right or wrong.

The majority of aliens in the Mass Effect universe hold the same opinions as Ashley. The character doesn't exist in the universe of [current year].

 

[Lacrymas]

RE: Cerberus and Ashley - this is a classic case of disavowal. Distancing yourself from others with similar beliefs who are perceived as extreme in whatever culture you are in in order to protect yourself and continue working for the cause in secret and dogwhistles. I'm not saying Ashley is this out there, but I am saying her comments about Cerberus don't let her off the hook.

Or it could be, you know, because she remembers all the creepy experiments they were doing back in ME1. Not to mention their assassination of Admiral Kahoku.

Who knows what would've happened had Cerberus gotten to her first instead of the military? I can see her being able to justify these things in the right context. And like I said, she isn't that out there, but still.

 

[racofer]

Imagine discussing Mass Effect writing in 2021 and trying to make any sense of it.

 

[InD_ImaginE]

Ashyley was a racist in ME1, but in that case her racism is kinda justified as she has a military background and the recent fighting with the Turians. Your experience in the world shapes your view and while you can disagree on her racism, her characters pretty much suit her background.

And as pointed above, while she is biased and suspicious against Turian/other Alien races, she is decidedly not a human supremacist and not even slightly sympathetic to Cereberus.

Who knows what would've happened had Cerberus gotten to her first instead of the military? I can see her being able to justify these things in the right context. And like I said, she isn't that out there, but still.

This is a fair point. But in this case I would argue this would apply to lot of people as well if you take the parallel to other characters in-game or real life. Spend years with some human supremacist and it rubs on you. You can put normal guys inside an extremist group of any kind for years, isolated and feed upon selective information and they would becomes extremist themselves. Heck, this is pretty much how extremism works in real-world with echo chamber and all.

 

[J1M]

Still waiting for an example of this. Like I said, my own memory is a bit rusty, but if this is "constant" behavior, you should have no trouble finding something from the first ME to back it up.
Take your time, it doesn't have to be now, feel free to @ me in a couple of days when you totally find some damning evidence of virtual space extremism.

This is not a realistic thing to expect. I'm not willing to comb through hours upon hours of Let's Plays in order to find Ashley content. Even if I did, you would dismiss her comments as not xenophobic or try to defend her by willfully misinterpreting what she says.

EDIT: Let me demonstrate. I actually found some of her comments, but I don't know where they appear in-game -

"You want to get involved with some alien (black person)? Go ahead, it's none of my business."
"Make nice with the bug-eyed monsters (flaming queers)"
"I am no fan of aliens (Jews)."
"Jealous? Of you? You are not even our species (not even white)."

Do you consider it a rather bold choice to cast a black voice actress for a Hispanic character model if that's what they were going for?

 

[ekrolo2]

Now, to be fair, Earth is not the only planet in trouble, they're all in deep shit. It would be silly to expect them to put humans before their own people, when all of them are in equally terrible situation. It's not like aliens see that Earth is getting fucked, and ditch you so they can prepare to defend against the Reapers better - they're also currently under attack.

They're not all in equally bad situations, not until later. The humans and turians get hit the hardest first since they wield considerable military power the Reapers would naturally want to destroy first. Nobody helps either of them. The asari and salarians are fine with either doing their usual bullshit of guerilla tactics and covert warfare (regardless of how several characters outright say how useless this is against Reapers) while their supposed allies burn. I mean, really? The salarians can't send some STG spec ops to help the resistance on Earth with information gathering or help train civilians on how to fight? The asari commandos can't do that either for Palaven?

This isn't even about humans either, its for the turians too. Unless Shepard works things out with the krogan, a species that has all the reason and then some to automatically let the turians burn, NOBODY sends them any meaningful reinforcements to take off the pressure. The fucking turians, the big three of the Citadel Council. Sparatus, who's the BIGGEST cunt to you in the first two games amongst the councilors is the first guy who comes to Shepard with a proposal that's all but an open admission that the Council is fucking useless and the only way to salvage anything is to work around them and make deals on the side.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

and Rusty_Retard love to frame it as.

buy some glasses

 

[rusty_shackleford]

the way Tali treats Legion -- by all accounts an intelligent lifeform that was created by her people -- is far worse than anything Ashley does btw

 

[Lacrymas]

If I were Bioware, I would've made Ashley join Cerberus in ME2. I assume they mellowed out her xenophobia a bit in 2 and 3 because she wasn't a popular character back then.

 

[ekrolo2]

Ashley not joining Cerberus was the right call, it gives some depth to her character. It shows that, despite her own prejudices, there are lines she will never cross even for humanity's sake or at the expense of other species. I know this is nigh impossible for many to understand in the current year, but it is possible for a person to not like or trust certain groups of people (or species in this case) without letting that interfere with their job or turn them into some extremist fucktard.

There's also a running theme, at least for Paragon Shepard's, that they can positively influence people around them, steering them into better life directions. Wrex, who is a broken down mess and has given up on the krogan in 1 can become one of the most optimistic and hopeful characters by 3, thanks to a Paragon Shepard. Garrus never fully losses his renegade streak but he can and will realize the necessities of rules and that not everything can be solved with a bullet, thanks to a Paragon Shepard. Jack, especially in her romance, undergoes one of the most startling and best executed arcs, thanks to a Paragon Shepard. The same goes for numerous other companions and NPCs. The Illusive Man, the biggest pro-human extremist in the series, can get convinced by Shepard that all he's done is just hurt mankind will kill himself as a final act of redemption by a Paragon. Aria even tells a Paragon Shep they're like a disease when a few hours of telling her to chill out makes Aria slightly less of a murderous bitch.

One can make a good argument for a Renegade influenced Ashley to become a nastier person down the line, since working under Shepard informs a lot of her personal and profesional life experiences but to say even an Ashley under a Paragon Shepard would 100% become the next TIM or some shit is beyond ridiculous. Why in the ever loving shit would she be the cosmic, imovable object of space racism when numerous other characters like Wrex, Garrus who's prejudices run far deeper than hers ever did, can get over it and call each other friends when everything's all said and done?