Mass Effect Legendary Edition remaster trilogy

[EnigmA]

After years of lurking I finally decided to join the forums so I can post this.

You cunts are great and y'all have been making me laugh but I have to ask this question.

Lacrymas how did you survive in the real world being such a huge faggot?

 

[J1M]

lol, those same things happen if you convince them with renegade points.

 

[ekrolo2]

lol, those same things happen if you convince them with renegade points.

TIM isn't, you have to use Paragon options for him in every dialogue throughout 3 to let him break the control, otherwise you just shoot him. Wrex can be talked down in 1 with high enough Renegade but in 3, the Renegade option is you stabbing him in the back by lying about the genophage cure which gets him and his entire species killed by the end of the war. Jack flat out never speaks to you about any of her personal history whatosever if you do the Renegade thing and sleep with her for a one night stand. Aria becomes even worse as a person if you're a Renegade, killing Petrovsky and tightening her first around Omega harder than ever before.

 

[Kem0sabe]

This fucking discussion is some BioWare forums thundertactics next level shit.

 

[Silverfish]

If I were Bioware, I would've made Ashley join Cerberus in ME2. I assume they mellowed out her xenophobia a bit in 2 and 3 because she wasn't a popular character back then.

If there's anything ME2 needed, it was another Miranda.

After years of lurking I finally decided to join the forums so I can post this.

You cunts are great and y'all have been making me laugh but I have to ask this question.

Lacrymas how did you survive in the real world being such a huge faggot?

Rooftop San Franciscans.

 

[Lacrymas]

Wasn't Miranda "born into" Cerberus? My idea was more that you would have a familiar face working for Cerberus so the transition to that plot won't be as jarring as it is currently. Since it's aliens that cause Shepard to die and the destruction of the Normandy, she could've been a little more radicalized in her opinions and went on to join Cerberus. It's not unthinkable. If you pick Kaidan, that won't happen, obviously, but at least there will be different content for these two very different people. That doesn't preclude Ashley from coming to the conclusions she does by ME3, she'll just change her opinions "in the kitchen" by seeing what a "humanity first" approach does and is. She kinda mellows out too fast, ME2 should've been an escalation of tensions, not a puff of hot air as it is now.

 

[ekrolo2]

Miranda wasn't born into it, Henry Lawson chose to keep her after several other, failed attempts at a successor. In-fact, when Miranda went to Cerberus for protection, he withdrew support for the organization, only renewing it when the Reapers hit. As for making the plot of 2 less jarring, good luck without completely rewriting everything and possibly needing to change its placement in the trilogy. Ashley being a third familiar face for Cerberus doesn't fix anything and it doesn't do her character any favors.

 

[Padzi]

If we're talking about Miranda, I never understood why Oriana - literally a clone of Miranda - doesn't looks like Miranda.

 

[Caim]

this wiill be my first time playing this series from beginning to end. i'll be a male vanguard shepard i think so who's the codex approved romance option? should i just go for liara and stay loyal or go for someone else each game? what's the best play here?

Quick rundown of who you can romance as a male Shepard in Mass Effect:

LIARA
+ Blue space babe who shows the most amount of skin in the sex scenes, a bit naive early on but gets smarter as the series goes on. Pretty decent in a fight.
- Some people can find her to be a bit grating. Rapes you in ME3.

ASHLEY
+ Tough professional who gets the job done. Is named after Ash Williams, making her the closest you'll get to fucking Bruce Campbell.
- Turns the bitchiness up after the first game. Gets an unnecessary makeover in ME3. One of her abilities in ME3 is broken so that when she uses it she glitches out and renders her unable to fight.

TALI
+ Cute, capable, sweet, nice hips.
- You can kill her with a cough. That weird photo you get in ME3. Can't start a family with her.

MIRANDA
+ Big T&A. Capable, will probably step on you if you ask nicely.
- Uncanny valley Yvonne Strahovski. Has major issues. Can't have kids.

JACK
+ Crazy chick full of tattoos. Has a hidden soft side.
- Crazy chick full of tattoos. Has un-hidden issues.

SAMARA
+ The Millenium MILF. Walks around with her suit zipped down, doesn't care. Chivalrous as shit.
- Won't actually fuck you.

MORINTH
+ Big tiddy goth alien.
- Will literally fuck you to death.

KELLY
+ Supplementary romance option, is okay with being your side hoe. You know she's into the kinky shit. Will dance for you in a kinky outfit.
- Fucks space dogs, who gave her several space dog STDs.

KAIDAN
+ The most well-adjusted member of your crew. Most likely to form a stable, lasting relationship with.
- Not the most interesting banana in the bunch. Canadian.

STEVE
+ Capable pilot, affable guy. Comes with free straight best friend.
- Major hangups regarding his dead husband, even if you help him process it.

DIANA
+ Skimpy outfit all the time. Big tits.
- Is Jessica Chobot in space, romancing her will have you selling out.

 

[kreight]

This fucking discussion is some BioWare forums thundertactics next level shit.

Yankees called for cavalry.

 

[wahrk]

I could see a version of ME2 where Ashley ends up with Cerberus out of desperation over Shepard’s death and the Collector threat. But she would need to replace Miranda in the story and she wouldn’t be gung-ho for Cerberus, it would a tense alliance out of necessity.

Virmire would make that difficult though because replacing Jacob with Kaidan wouldn’t work the same way. It also wouldn’t fix the deeper issues with the plot anyways. You’d be better off removing Shepard and the Reapers from the story entirely, and just making it a loosely connected side-plot.

 

[Correct_Carlo]

ASHLEY
+ Tough professional who gets the job done. Is named after Ash Williams, making her the closest you'll get to fucking Bruce Campbell.
- Turns the bitchiness up after the first game. Gets an unnecessary makeover in ME3. One of her abilities in ME3 is broken so that when she uses it she glitches out and renders her unable to fight.

Ashley is also a 22nd Century Christian. I don't know if she mentions her religion after the first game, but it's a big character development thing in ME1.

Honestly, this is the main reason why I usually let Kaiden die. Both Ashley and Kaiden are pretty dull, but this is the one semi-interesting character trait that Ashley has. You can have some interesting discussions with her about science and faith.

 

[Larianshill]

Kaiden's boring, because his defining character moment (and his arc) ended before the first game even began.

 

[Bliblablubb]

One can make a good argument for a Renegade influenced Ashley to become a nastier person down the line

"Yeaaaaah, call me daddy. We'll bang, okay?"

Seriously tho, she looked like a stripper in ME3, and fucked up the one job she had. I remember being pretty upset about some basement dwelling incel at Bioware turning her into a dumb bimbo blowup doll.
Ashley was a refreshing normal stronk womyn, but nope, they had to oversexualize her for the 3rd game.

As a result, from then on every female character was made as ugly as possible to avoid accusations... while male characters were still beefcakes running around shirtless.
Gee, thanks for that...

 

[EnigmA]

One can make a good argument for a Renegade influenced Ashley to become a nastier person down the line

"Yeaaaaah, call me daddy. We'll bang, okay?"

Seriously tho, she looked like a stripper in ME3, and fucked up the one job she had. I remember being pretty upset about some basement dwelling incel at Bioware turning her into a dumb bimbo blowup doll.
Ashley was a refreshing normal stronk womyn, but nope, they had to oversexualize her for the 3rd game.

As a result, from then on every female character was made as ugly as possible to avoid accusations... while male characters were still beefcakes running around shirtless.
Gee, thanks for that...

Oh dude, the redesign lol.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but the they ended up changing the writer for Ashley (Legion, Thane) in ME3 since the dude left and mix that with Ashley/Kaiden sharing the budget (same amount of lines etc.) you end up getting shit. ME3 the fetch quest, eavesdropping space opera.

Although I would say that you are going a bit to far in saying that all female characters in Bioware games ended up being ugly after that, might even say offended

Look how pretty I am!

Tell me I'm pretty!

 

[Narax]

the way Tali treats Legion -- by all accounts an intelligent lifeform that was created by her people -- is far worse than anything Ashley does btw

Bioware's audience tend to hate characters that personally offend them, even when those characters make sense in the context of the game's setting. For example in DA:I, Vivienne is the most hated companion because the audience are offended by her views on the Circle and mages, but imo her views are what make her stand out from the rest of the cast, and she's probably the only realistic companion in the medieval-inspired fantasy world, alongside Blackwall (another unpopular companion).

 

[Grimlorn]

Lacrymas: "I wouldn't fuck this imaginary woman"
The entire Codex: "WHAT DID YOU SAY YOU LITTLE PIECE OF SHIT IMMEDIATELY FUCK THIS WOMAN"

They defend her because they personally hold similar, if not the same, beliefs, not because I wouldn't fuck her. This is a classic example of damage control, she IS xenophobic at least in ME1 without a shadow of a doubt (they even admit that), but they want to mellow out her more taboo/unacceptable statements in order to secretly push agendas.

RE: Cerberus and Ashley - this is a classic case of disavowal. Distancing yourself from others with similar beliefs who are perceived as extreme in whatever culture you are in in order to protect yourself and continue working for the cause in secret and dogwhistles. I'm not saying Ashley is this out there, but I am saying her comments about Cerberus don't let her off the hook.

You should just admit you are wrong and move on. People time and time again have clarified what Ashley was talking about specifically, and you keep misinterpreting the meaning and context of what she was talking about. You've done this several times and continue to push the xenophobic narrative despite this. Just admit you're wrong.

 

[Lacrymas]

People who defend her admit she's xenophobic. The discussion wasn't whether she is that or not, but whether she's justified and whether she'll start a race riot at one point and drag you down with her if you are dating her.

 

[Grimlorn]

People who defend her admit she's xenophobic. The discussion wasn't whether she is that or not, but whether she's justified and whether she'll start a race riot at one point and drag you down with her if you are dating her.

No again you're wrong. People have been criticizing the fact you called her xenophobic. Never does she demonstrate an irrational fear or hatred of aliens. This also doesn't change the fact that you misinterpreted multiple things she said that people corrected you on and then ignored them to continue to push the same narrative and try and move onto something else.

You just said this on the previous page.

Like I said multiple times already, this is not about whether she's right or wrong.

The discussion wasn't whether she is that or not, but whether she's justified

So why are you flipflopping now? And before you make up some lame excuse saying being right or wrong isn't the same as justified. Being right, in the end, does kind of make you justified.

 

[ekrolo2]

Through examining her character you can get a pretty clear picture she has some good reasons for feeling how she does, she's not an extremist over it and she's not gonna make Shepard fall to the dark side. If anything, a dickish Shepard is certain to make Ashley's worst tendencies become more troublesome than the other way around.

 

[Lacrymas]

People started discussing whether she's right or wrong/justified, but my initial point wasn't that at all. You can search Lambach's posts and see he also said she's xenophobic. I also pointed to multiple instances of irrational paranoia or casual species-based derogatory comments.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

humanity's first encounter with an alien species was them bombing the shit out of humans with zero warning

ashley williams' grandfather was the general that surrendered at shanxi due to the orbital siege, btw

 

[True Ukrainian]

Ashley isn't xenophobic. She was shit on for most of her adult life because her father was the general who surrendered to the Turians. That's like saying someone who got robbed is "Xenophobic" of armed men.

 

[Lacrymas]

Ugh, what do you people consider xenophobic? What does she have to do for it to count for you? Genocide or suggestions of such?

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Ugh, what do you people consider xenophobic? What does she have to do for it to count for you? Genocide or suggestions of such?

-phobia implies irrational