Preview Massive Fallout 3 coverage at NMA

[Deleted member 7219]

Heh heh, VD, I doubt that'll change their minds.

And what exactly don't they like about our forums if it isn't just the swearing? There are some racist assholes here, yes, but their threads are always thrown into retardo land anyway....

 

[SuAside]

*snip*

haha, nice going VD.

big thumbs up

 

[tardtastic]

Is this Gstaff person on the Beth forums Pete Hinnes?

In any case, he just made some silly reply about "Respecting everyone's opinions" to the ongoing thread - and it really sounds like Pete, because it's all just textbook Marketing strategies: failing to answer the real question, drawing attention away to a secondary and non-confrontational topic, etc... So when everyone speaks up on the forum saying, "Hey, had you not ignored them, it wouldn't've happened! Howabout engaging them and fixing the problems?", his response is something like, "Everyone has a say. We read their article and heard what we expected, because different people like different things. You can say whatever you want on the forum."

It's all incongruous, there's no logical connection from the thesis to the antithesis, there's no continuity from one statement to another. It's like anime dialogue.

 

[Deleted member 7219]

Is this Gstaff person on the Beth forums Pete Hinnes?

No, apparently he's below Pete in the Bethesda ladder. Pete emailed this Gstaff guy last week to warn him about NMA attending the preview and the Q&A.

 

[tardtastic]

I see - I remember that now. In any case, I think my other points still stand. It's all marketingspeak - like the responses to the questions asked whenever they were the slightest bit difficult (in the case of not just the NMA questions, but many other recent ones too). Now that Gstaff is actively posting in the thread, I'm surprised that nobody calls him on his avoidance of the real issue.

marketing people would lead you to believe that until bagel bites were invented, people were trying to put whole pizzas into their toasters.

 

[TalesfromtheCrypt]

Pete called me on Friday (or maybe it was Thursday), and he suspected that someone at NMA had met with him based on questions he got, and reading the interview, you can definitely tell they're from Fallout fans.
(...)

I just love the delicious selfexposure in this message. It's telling on so many levels that I don't know where to start.

What is more sad? DEFCON 1 at Bethesda headquarters because some *actual* Fallout fans managed to get a preview of the game (OMIGODOMIGOD WHAT DU WE DU NOW?!)
or how he basicly admits that all those gamespy/gamespot/ign whores who get to preview the game aren't Fallout fans at all and are pretending that they love the franchise?

Oh, and a quote from the NMA preview which made lough out loud:

Note that SuAside saw the demo together with a group including GameInformer and Gamespy reporters, who laughed at all the right moments and applauded at the end. Brother None was in a more unfriendly audience, only one of whom occasionally guffawed at the jokes, and no applause given.

 

[Lingwe]

Poor GStaff is just a peon as far as being on the corporate ladder goes. All he can basically do is ask people higher up than him if they can do something and then when they tell him no he has to come back and say so. Even so I'm not quite sure how he will respond to VaultDweller's comments. I might even post this link to prove something about gaming journalists and it will probably be allowed. Only if you typed Ctrl+f and then motherfuckers would you see it down the very bottom. Of course since it isn't from the Codex it means that the swearing would be fine.

I don't think anyone has issue with criticism of the game, and obviously, I'd expect it. As we've said in interviews before, we're not going to please everyone on everything. That said, not every Fallout fan has the same expectations of a Fallout sequel. No one site gets to claim the speak for everyone. They speak for themselves and I didn't read anything in their preview that surprised me, nor probably anyone else here. They said exactly what we would expect them to say.

If they said what you expected them to say and what they said wasn't half as bad as what they could have said then why didn't you give them an interview sooner. Bethesda wonders why people hate them yet they force fansites to go undercover in order to get a preview and ask some questions.

 

[Kingston]

VD, why don't you just make a "www.iloveoblivion.com" avatar?

 

[Lingwe]

I can't believe you actually registered www.iloveoblivion.com and had it redirect to RPGCodex, ROFL.

 

[Texas Red]

Concerning what the fans would want to see... I always imagined a good sequel to feature tactical party combat where you can control every member. But apparently this would not sell, as Pete says and hes a marketing dude, so we have to believe him.

Its amusing when we think back on it. *All* of the fears the Fallout fans had came true.

Im waiting for the reply to VDs message though I doubt the admins will send him one as he was obviously trapped.

 

[tardtastic]

I'm perplexed by why no-one has said in simple, blunt language that Pete Hinnes lied outright when he said that he was in contact with The Troika and that they had the same opportunities as the other sites. The statement leaves the realm of blatant falsehood only when subjected to absurd reinterpretation.

 

[MetalCraze]

I can't believe you actually registered www.iloveoblivion.com and had it redirect to RPGCodex, ROFL.

ROFL ROFL ROFL I can't believe it as well

adding to favorites - www.iloveoblivion.com

edit> damn it... www.iloveoblivion.net
this is some hot shit

 

[Lingwe]

I'm perplexed by why no-one has said in simple, blunt language that Pete Hinnes lied outright when he said that he was in contact with The Troika and that they had the same opportunities as the other sites. The statement leaves the realm of blatant falsehood only when subjected to absurd reinterpretation.

If you think about Pete Hines didn't actually lie.

We are in contact with those communities and they receive the same treatment as all the other communities

They are in contact since the admins of the site can talk to them through emails and on the official forums. As to whether they get responses or not is a different matter. Also he is right in that they treated the same as all the other communities - with a press blackout.

 

[Ladonna]

Note that SuAside saw the demo together with a group including GameInformer and Gamespy reporters, who laughed at all the right moments and applauded at the end. Brother None was in a more unfriendly audience, only one of whom occasionally guffawed at the jokes, and no applause given.

Well done NMA. You guys really achieved something in this department, not only in getting actual information (A few others have done a little, but nothing like this...), but also totally embarassing the majority of mainstream gaming journalism.

The part from the Bethesda forum thread was amusing too. Where one of the guys speaks about the other journo's just taking off with their Beth written spiels and not bothering to stay around to ask questions... Telling.

 

[Texas Red]

Bethesda - Protecting your children from naughty language.

 

[Bradylama]

Note that SuAside saw the demo together with a group including GameInformer and Gamespy reporters, who laughed at all the right moments and applauded at the end. Brother None was in a more unfriendly audience, only one of whom occasionally guffawed at the jokes, and no applause given.

I bet the first group was full of Germans.

 

[Jasede]

I guess you mean last, since Germans are known to have no humour and they never ever applause easily. Heck, even in an awesome opera in Germany, no one will actually give a standing ovation unless it was the inscenation of the millenium.

 

[Brother None]

SuAside group contained a Gamespy reporter that was seeing it for the fourth time. He still laughed at all the jokes.

I got the impression my group was more international. I think the chubby guy sitting next to me was Russian, with a Frenchman next to him

 

[MetalCraze]

I guess you mean last, since Germans are known to have no humour and they never ever applause easily. Heck, even in an awesome opera in Germany, no one will actually give a standing ovation unless it was the inscenation of the millenium.

When there's big money and/or boss that will ass-rape you unless you will do a blowjob to the current-guy-presenting-some-big-*hit - you will laugh.

He still laughed at all the jokes.

so they do use drugs actually!

 

[JuJu]

Isn't that ironic that the most critical preview of FO3 actually made me think that Bethseda hasn't fucked up as much as I expected? I now even have some hopes that actually something from the original Fallout would be in this game. Bethseda should have allowed fans to see this game earlier, instead of trying to impress by their hype machine.

 

[Ander Vinz]

SuAside group contained a Gamespy reporter that was seeing it for the fourth time. He still laughed at all the jokes.

So it's not that he's stupid but that those jokes were so awesome, catching the true spirit of Fallout.

 

[Bradylama]

I guess you mean last, since Germans are known to have no humour and they never ever applause easily. Heck, even in an awesome opera in Germany, no one will actually give a standing ovation unless it was the inscenation of the millenium.

I meant Brother None's group was first chronologically, not sequentially in the sentence.

 

[SuAside]

i was at 12:00, Brother None was at 14:00 (which was the last of the day).

 

[sqeecoo]

Isn't that ironic that the most critical preview of FO3 actually made me think that Bethseda hasn't fucked up as much as I expected? I now even have some hopes that actually something from the original Fallout would be in this game. Bethseda should have allowed fans to see this game earlier, instead of trying to impress by their hype machine.

You know, I agree. While the NMA preview clearly show the extent to which beth is fucking up, they also fairly highlight some good points, and I am now actually convinced that there will be some - something that the official hype-machine previews never managed.

To clarify, the game seems to be turning out better than OBV. Still a brutal rape of FO, but a somewhat-less-than-horrible game on its own.

 

[denizsi]

GStaff is a puppet, just like all the others. No matter how rational a conversation you attempt to make, the answers you receive almost always have this simplified and dumbed down attitude, treating you like a special boy and assuming all is fine and dandy, ignoring details. Except for a few devs perhaps, everyone at Beth behaves the same way.

It's creepy actually. It reminds me of "The Village of the Damned", and the whole 3 (soon to be 4) versions of "Invasion of the Body Snatchers".