Mount & Blade II: Bannerlord

[Perkel]

PoP is my favourite mod, but I still never played it properly. I mainly just go around ganking weaklings. All that knights orders and stuff only ever got lightly into it.

Hey man everyone likes to play how they want. The beauty of POP is that all that extra stuff has an impact on your gameplay either way. I can't count how many times i cursed Knights of Eventide after they just bullied me many times. The beauty of POP is in its lore and factions and how it is all tied together and how it mashes creating this beautiful chaos and you learn to swim in that and turn franchise around after first failings.

Holy shit! That's great

Yeah it is fucking amazing. Devs behind Bannerlord are big fans of POP and you can see influence of POP on Bannerlord 2.

 

[Tweed]

PoP is completely overrated toss, fuck those one ladder siege clusterfucks. A lot of the features in the game end up being pointless like starting your own knightly order, by the time you have enough resources to do it the game will be over, you're better off just getting knights from orders that don't hate you.

Getting the elves to love you is total bullshit too, sitting around having to wait for something else to engage them and lets not even mention the trouble of actually getting your stupid allies to attack invading armies instead of running away like pussies.

EDIT: Don't get me wrong, there's lots of great stuff in PoP, but it's a mess of a mod.

 

[Perkel]

I smell minmaxer scum. Sorry this is not mod for you.

Secondly you are complaining about optional things what you can do and base game mechanic (sieges) that always was clusterfuck to begin with.

The noldor stuff is also pet peve. They are faction that ignore everything and just hangs around its forest. They do have one of best gear in game but you can occasionally find those.

 

[Tweed]

Yeah sure whatever, sorry I hurt your mod mister.

I became a jew because I kept getting crushed by overpowered adventuring parties or whatever they were called and made a load of cash to hire people strong enough to deal with them and the proceeded to conquer the map. I finished the game I just wouldn't want to do it again.

Just because sieges suck doesn't mean you should go and make them ten times fucking worse than the vanilla and what's the point of having optional content if its practically unusable?
If they really plan on making this official content it needs some serious fine tuning.

 

[Sjukob]

Pendor is indeed an incredibly overrated mod:

Prophesy of Pendor isn't as hard as it's just annoying. The mod's moto is essentially "No fun allowed". Salzber in this thread covers the problems pretty nicely. At the moment I'm too lazy to write what's wrong with the mod. Just don't buy into it's "The most balanced and polished and bestest mod evah" (it's actually true to an extent).

Ugh fuck it, let's go:

1) The whole qualis gem system is retarded. You need qualis gems to get strong shit (gear, units, stats) to beat OP enemies and conquer Pendor. How do you get qualis gems ? You have to beat OP enemies and there's only a chance that you'll get something. Have fun leading 800+ armies that move at the speed of snail into marshall armies that might just run away from it. Oh and developers removed the only reliable way of beating them in 3.9 that is using noldor lords. So much fun!

2) Speaking of qualis gems the gear you get for them is pretty shity for the effort you have to put in. Armor is only slightly better than noldor stuff but requires a shitload of time to get, the weapons are decent but you must get 3-4 qualis to get one ?! Lol. If you try to do any fighting by yourself here you are very likely to get killed anyways.

3) Combat balance is retarded. Cavalry is op and there is fuckloads of it, seriously, everybody is on the horse. Armor means nothing as even elite knights get destroyed by mid-tier crossbowmen with basic weapons. Javelins will oneshot almost anything and bows are just broken machines of death after troops/player reach certain point of skills and weapons masteries. Overall the damage is absurd and armor is like a thin foil. What's even worse developers know about and actively use all this shit to put player in annoying scenarios, "Play the way we intended" they say.

4) This comes from the previous point you either play the intended way or you are going to be handicapped and feel like a punchbag for local war parties. Don't want to be friends with noldor ? Lol. Don't want to use bows ? Lol. Don't want to ride a horse ? Lol. Don't want to abuse broken ranged and other units ? Lol. Wan't to fight enemies just like your soldiers do and not just sit behind lines shooting your bow ? You have been raped by the homing javelin of death for 9000 damage. Lol.

5) Penny economy where enterprises and fiefs barely provide you with cash but maintaining an army is pretty expensive, so you have to fight, fight, fight non stop.

6) Looting is laughable, even with skill at 10 you get no rewards if you beat an army comparable to size of yours. You have to bring a small party and fight outnumbered to get anything decent.

7) Timesink in general - a lot of things take so long to get. Weapons and armor upgrades at knighthood order stronghold, CKO, qualis, rune armor, elite troops etc.

8) Whoever thought that snake cult hideout and it's were well designed must be forced to beat that shit alone with a 2h melee weapon for the rest of his life.

 

[Vincente]

I smell minmaxer scum. Sorry this is not mod for you.

You literally have to suck elf dicks to win the mod, what minmax are you talking about?

 

[Ninjerk]

I smell minmaxer scum. Sorry this is not mod for you.

You literally have to suck elf dicks to win the mod, what minmax are you talking about?

ERYFKRAD get the axe

 

[ERYFKRAD]

I smell minmaxer scum. Sorry this is not mod for you.

You literally have to suck elf dicks to win the mod, what minmax are you talking about?

ERYFKRAD get the axe

Purge all elves.

 

[Sarkile]

If it becomes an official DLC for Bannerlord I would hope that there are more routes to victory than befriending the Noldor. I agree with a lot of the criticisms levied at it, but it's still a very well done and polished mod.

 

[Perkel]

Lol "winning game" you treat achievement as some sort of end game goal.

3) Combat balance is retarded. Cavalry is op and there is fuckloads of it, seriously, everybody is on the horse. Armor means nothing as even elite knights get destroyed by mid-tier crossbowmen with basic weapons.

This is how to know someone is retarded. In one sentence they say something is op and in next they say they get one shoted.
POP doesn't care about "balance" they care only what makes sense. They don't care if you can't get ahead, no one waits for player to properly rise up if you pick up bad target you will bounce of it like from steel plate. Beauty of POP is to know the world and its factions and use it to your advantage. Start from 0 ? Start to trade, go robbing, join lord in his war as common footsoldier, hire few people and get hired by lord as mercenary band aiding war effort, go to courts woo ladies for that sweet lord dough. There is so much you can do at start of game to get ahead. Yeah there are plenty of mounted stuff in game but they are also super expensive. On other hand if you know what you are doing you can easily build up footsoldier army which is what Empire is all about with its crossbowmen as "knight killers".

POP also does change a lot mechanics and how damage is calculated. Getting any armor is amazing improvement over no armor but to get "damage proof" you need to chase those extra 1-2 on better gear which will cost you literally fortune.

I agree that gem system is a little retarded but gems themselves are not that hard to find and it is not like you need it that much to begin with. It is used primary to start knighthood order of your own or to get into noldor stuff traders. You can always join existing order or just ignore orders completely as for noldor gear you can just woop noldor ass and get it this way. Sure they have best bows but aside from that they don't have rest of their stuff being the best. And their bows are not that huge difference between other good bows.

POP2 will be amazing. They wanted to add even more stuff like CK2 stuff but engine didn't allow for it. Bannerlord 2 takes huge inspiration from POP guys work and one of the things they wanted to address was marriage system and lineage.

 

[Jimmious]

My experience with PoP was that it has great production values, a lot of content but it's completely imbalanced and archery is way too strong

Also... In one day we can play Bannerlord! Holy shieeet

 

[dehimos]

are you guys trolling or did you get an early set of dementia? you are gonna pay 50 euros to beta test the game for them?

I'm not buying a game. Wanna know what I'm buying? The redemption for my sins

Pirated games when I was young, M&B was on the top. Now, I'm an old man afraid to die and not enter paradise with other seventy-two virgins.

 

[Perkel]

are you guys trolling or did you get an early set of dementia? you are gonna pay 50 euros to beta test the game for them?

Mount and Blade 1 is still yet to come out from Early Access.
So Early Access is the release.

 

[Aemar]

About that Hyborian Age mod, the equivalents of the main factions are already here:

Cimmeria - Battania
Aquilonia - Vlandia
Asgard and Vanaheim - Nords and Sturgians
Nemedia - Empire + Vlandia
Hyrkania - Khuzait
Turan - Aserai
Argos, Ophir, Corinthia - similar to the Empire
Stygia, Kush and other similar places - Aserai
Brythunia - Battania/Sturgia

Bandits and other assorted rabble can count for smaller factions.

 

[Peachcurl]

are you guys trolling or did you get an early set of dementia? you are gonna pay 50 euros to beta test the game for them?

I will.

Money's going to be worthless anyways, once the economic crisis reaches its peak. Invest now into toilet paper rolls, and you'll be able to fund your lifestyle and gaming addiction for years to come.

 

[a Goat]

ONE DAY CLOSER

 

[Vincente]

Lol "winning game" you treat achievement as some sort of end game goal

It is an end game goal though? You have to have positive relationship with Noldor to truly finish the game.

Beauty of POP is to know the world

Post apocalyptic Lord of the Rings, what a world.

 

[Sjukob]

This is how to know someone is retarded. In one sentence they say something is op and in next they say they get one shoted.
POP doesn't care about "balance" they care only what makes sense.

What does make sense in PoP ? That even common bandits ride horses to battles ? Or maybe that the full plate armor knights die from 1-2 javelins thrown in their direction ? Or maybe that majority of castles still only have 1 ladder during the siege ? Or maybe that an enterprise can only support a handful of upgraded troops ? Or maybe that you get stripped of all the loot if you fight an evenly sized army ? Or maybe that there are invading armies wandering the land, that are so strong that it takes marshallized army to beat them and nobody except the player is concerned about them ? Or maybe that the lords lead armies of 200+ trained men, while only having a single fief, but if you try to do that yourself you'll discover that you can't afford that without having a big number of enterprises and a few fiefs ? Or maybe that the order of ebony gauntlet - knights that hate noldor and want them gone are unfit to fight them ? What are you even trying to say here ?

They don't care if you can't get ahead, no one waits for player to properly rise up if you pick up bad target you will bounce of it like from steel plate.

I don't even know why are you bringing this up.

POP also does change a lot mechanics and how damage is calculated. Getting any armor is amazing improvement over no armor but to get "damage proof" you need to chase those extra 1-2 on better gear which will cost you literally fortune.

In the early game you get oneshotted by javelins and 1 or 2 hits with twohander is enough to put you down. Buy full plate armor, now javelin takes 75-85% of your health and the same twohanders kill you in 3-4 swings, wow talk about progress.

Sure they have best bows but aside from that they don't have rest of their stuff being the best. And their bows are not that huge difference between other good bows.

Yeah, nevermind that their armor is better than plate:

Noldor armor is literally the best in the game, with the exception of rune armor that you get for qualis gems. And their swords are only rivaled by ebony, rune and unique weapons, which basically nobody wields.


And their skills are better than those of the fully trained specialists from other factions:

Spoiler

Best Ravenstern archer that takes a lot of time to train

Basic noldor unit

I agree that gem system is a little retarded but gems themselves are not that hard to find and it is not like you need it that much to begin with

Ridiculous ! You need qualis to boost your stats, you need qualis to get the best gear, you need qualis to trade, you need qualis to recruit noldor, you need qualis to build knight chapters. So how do you get them ? You can find one in the Red Brotherhood hideout and one in some city, that I can't remember the name of, then you have two options: win noldor tournaments to have A CHANCE to get a qualis, beat overpowered invading armies of 800+ men to get A CHANCE to get qualis.

You are acting just like a blind fanboy.

 

[Perkel]

Mate. You are being retarded here. It is like you hate for elves completely blinds you and every problem there is starts with noldor this noldor that.

Like i said the only problem i see from gem system is starting order with gem. But it is not huge issue because as you said you can get them also you can find them in some chests in game maps. Never had issues with javelins in my 1000 hours. Siege crossbows were my menace always and biting more than i could chew. Never used noldor gear other than bow once in my bow play-trough and i still basically annihilated everyone including noldors (though you can't really beat them as they are not really a faction in game). The biggest problem i had was Jatu stack of doom which i had to slowly chip away with lords.

As for money i never really had any trouble with money reaching end game. Even without single village you can keep 200 people strong army just from loot after battle. Knights are super expensive but you won't find many armies going with more than 30-40 pro knights.

Other than that i see autistic screeching of minmaxer.

My issue with end game was that i usually take a long time to reach end game and by that time stuff like snake cultists are huge stacks of doom that takes a while and help to beat but it is fun as hell to dismantle jatu horde with bros.

 

[SmartCheetah]

I didn't like PoP as well. There was one mod I really liked, but can't remember it's name. Something with the "radiant cross" in it? There were landsknechts, muskets and other stuff. I had a lot of fun with it.

Still, I'm more into historical mods (or semi historical, mixing eras)

 

[Jogobogos]

I had no chance to play Single Player yet, which is the thing I wait for the most, but the Captain mode seems to be pretty cool - especially when I have only 15-20 minutes for a fast round. Feel a bit weird about shield hitbox against arrows, but I guess it's for the best for the game balance.

 

[Butter]

L'Aigle was everything I wanted from a Napoleonic War mod.

 

[Vincente]

Spoiler

This is my 200 day in character. She just captured a castle of her own, Seven Cross belongs to some Lord I married for power. Truly the best Warband mod ever made, how can others even compete?

Something with the "radiant cross" in it?

Eagle and the Radiant Cross.

 

[Sjukob]

Other than that i see autistic screeching of minmaxer.

It's useless, even when presented with numbers you just go: "Lol, I don't see the problem bro".

Like i said the only problem i see from gem system is starting order with gem. But it is not huge issue because as you said you can get them also you can find them in some chests in game maps.

My issue with end game was that i usually take a long time to reach end game and by that time stuff like snake cultists are huge stacks of doom that takes a while and help to beat but it is fun as hell to dismantle jatu horde with bros.

"Yeah it's kind of a problem... but no, not really".

If that's not fanboyism then I just don't know.

 

[Perkel]

That connan mod is interesting.

If that's not fanboyism than I just don't know.

It is called not being minmaxer scum that autisticly screeches over some bullshit +1 to his armor. Secondly i said their armor is not the best in game and you like autistic had to correct me because apparently order knight armor which is almost as good is not good enough for you. I mean you even said yourself that their armor is not the best and you had to add that "runnic armor is the best" like autist you are.

Secondly compared to what exactly ? Warband vanilla is completely barebones game with 1/4 of gear POP has even if you cut out noldors completely you still have a lot more content than warband. There is basically no elite gear in vanilla warband to chase as best gear is on kingdom troops you just get from battle and prices for best gear are almost the same as for normal gear.