No Man's Sky

[Zep Zepo]

If Nu Man Sky partnered with Sony, it was probably an 80/20 split. Minus the refund cost that happened coming out of their 20.

Zep--

 

[Makabb]

NMS was supposed to have real life physics.... this is what actualy happens in game

 

[Thane Solus]

If Nu Man Sky partnered with Sony, it was probably an 80/20 split. Minus the refund cost that happened coming out of their 20.

Zep--

lol!

Not even steam gives that, or any store. On publishers you get between 30 to 60%. Since most likely they did the marketing, payed for stuff, also the team etc. The deal depends on how much they do for you and since the team grew up to dozens of people, i bet they didnt get more than 50% of the pie.

For a pub to get only 20% they will do mostly a newsletter mass email and wish you good luck.

 

[Zep Zepo]

For a pub to get only 20% they will do mostly a newsletter mass email and wish you good luck.

Yes...the 80/20 I mentioned was SONY(80)/NuManSky(20).

Zep--

 

[Thane Solus]

For a pub to get only 20% they will do mostly a newsletter mass email and wish you good luck.

Yes...the 80/20 I mentioned was SONY(80)/NuManSky(20).

Zep--

ah ) , my bad.

 

[Makabb]

Also Scam Murray said there will be no skyboxes........ what NMS is, is basicaly you hyperspace between levels which are locked in a black skybox which wants to fake universe, and those levels contain a few planets, you couldn't travel to another system if you would want to by normal means.

You cannot do the same thing as in space engine, fly anywhere you please.

 

[adrix89]

Also Scam Murray said there will be no skyboxes........ what NMS is, is basicaly you hyperspace between levels which are locked in a black skybox which wants to fake universe, and those levels contain a few planets, you couldn't travel to another system if you would want to by normal means.

You cannot do the same thing as in space engine, fly anywhere you please.

Every game has skyboxes.

 

[Makabb]

Also Scam Murray said there will be no skyboxes........ what NMS is, is basicaly you hyperspace between levels which are locked in a black skybox which wants to fake universe, and those levels contain a few planets, you couldn't travel to another system if you would want to by normal means.

You cannot do the same thing as in space engine, fly anywhere you please.

Every game has skyboxes.

this was supposed to be without skyboxes

 

[jcd]

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[Villagkouras]

Just a reminder that I predicted this 90 pages and 7 months ago:



All of my predictions in this thread came true. I must be some kind of an oracle.

Or just using common sense.

 

[Beastro]

Just a reminder that I predicted this 90 pages and 7 months ago:



All of my predictions in this thread came true. I must be some kind of an oracle.

Or just using common sense.

Yeah.

As much as jcd is in the right to gloat about seeing this coming in the face of Makabb's BS, they promised so damn much it's pretty bold to be declaring yourself an oracle.

 

[Infinitron]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...dards-launches-investigation-into-no-mans-sky

Advertising Standards launches investigation into No Man's Sky
Do videos and screenshots misrepresent the game?

The Advertising Standards Authority has confirmed to Eurogamer that it has launched an investigation into No Man's Sky.

The ASA investigation revolves around the Steam store page for No Man's Sky.

The watchdog launched its investigation after receiving "several complaints" about No Man's Sky advertising, a representative told me.

The ASA has the power to have advertisements it believes are in breach of its code of conduct withdrawn, and prevent them from appearing again. If an advertiser refuses to comply with an ASA ruling, it can impose sanctions, such as asking internet search websites to remove a marketer's paid-for search ads.

The investigation is on-going, and so the ASA declined to comment further, but one of the complainants revealed details of its response in a post on Reddit.

The investigation revolves around No Man's Sky's Steam store page, which includes assets some believe misrepresent the controversial space game.

The ASA has contacted both Hello Games and Valve and asked them to respond to a raft of questions relating to No Man's Sky advertisements.

Complaints centre around screenshots and videos that feature more advanced animal behaviour, large-scale combat and ship-flying behaviour than ended up in the launch version of the game. Complainants also say screenshots misrepresent the graphical quality of the game.

There are also complaints around the Steam store page's reference to a lack of loading screens and factions that contest territory.

Another No Man's Sky screenshot currently advertising the game on its Steam store page.

While the complaints target Steam, the ASA said any ruling would apply to other advertising for No Man's Sky, such as official YouTube videos and the game's listing on the PlayStation Store.



No Man's Sky and its chief developer Sean Murray have come under fire since the July launch of the hotly-anticipated game, with some players feeling it did not turn out as promised.

"AzzerUK", the Reddit user who issued a formal complaint to the ASA, told me he doesn't feel enraged at No Man's Sky, Hello Games or Steam, but felt the need to contact the watchdog "after seeing just how vastly different the trailers for No Man's Sky were from the actual released game".

AzzerUK did not request a refund for the game, "but I did feel personally misled", he said. "The marketing of the game was very different to the end game. The end game is a shallow screenshot generator, and in some ways it reminded me of Spore.

"I figured that if we want Steam store pages for games to start falling in-line and stop misleading consumers, then it would take consumers to point these problems out to the ASA, rather than all sit around on Reddit complaining to each other but assuming that it'll all get sorted by itself eventually."

AzzerUK said he hopes that his complaint could spark Valve and other companies in control of video game storefronts "to start forcing publishers that use its platforms to show realistic, actual, genuine, non-pre-rendered or scripted gameplay trailers and footage, and screenshots actually taken in-game from real game code that is going to be what the consumer purchases".

AzzerUK's actions were met with a mixed response on Reddit, with some expressing anger, others concern that the ASA investigation could hold up Hello Games from improving No Man's Sky with updates. Some wondered why someone would go to the trouble of complaining about video game screenshots and videos in the first place.

"I feel most people on the Reddit thread wanted to see Hello Games 'punished' directly though, rather than share my more generalised view that game's marketing needs to be brought down to earth a bit more," AzzerUK added.

Players discovered No Man's Sky's distinct lack of multiplayer, despite Murray's comments in interviews that the game would feature a mechanic in which two-players could see each other - however unlikely it is that they would meet.

In August I reported on disgruntled No Man's Sky players who tried - and failed - to get a refund from Sony.

Sony's stringent refund policy is in stark contrast to that of Valve, which sells the PC version of No Man's Sky on Steam. Steam gives players a no questions asked refund if the request is made within 14 days of purchase, and the title has been played for less than two hours.

Interestingly, there's a note on No Man's Sky's Steam store page that stresses that the standard Steam refund policy applies to the game. "There are no special exemptions available," it reads.

At Tokyo Game Show this month, Shuhei Yoshida, the president of Sony's Worldwide Studios, told Eurogamer he understood why some fans were critical of No Man's Sky - and blamed Hello Games' pre-release PR strategy for building up unrealistic expectations.

Sony told Eurogamer that Hello Games was the developer of the game and the publisher of the PlayStation 4 digital and PC versions. But Sony was the publisher and distributor of the Blu-ray disc version of the game.

In declining refunds, Sony has told No Man's Sky players that the game changed over the course of development, to expect patches to address glitches, and said the game will continue to evolve and benefit from new features over the coming months.

Eurogamer has contacted Hello Games, Valve and Sony for comment.

 

[sullynathan]

Leave no man's sky alone

 

[Black]

Makabb You might want to lay low for a while.

 

[Zewp]

To be fair, they'll probably get away with the loading screens one because it specifically says "Fly smoothly from deep space to planetary surfaces, with no loading screens," so they'll just argue that there are no loading screens for getting onto planets. As for these, on the other hand:

-every star is the light of a distant sun, each orbited by planets filled with life (nope, stars orbit planets)
-Will you be a fighter, preying on the weak and taking their riches, (you can't even attack anything other than trade convoys and those are hardly 'weak')
-or taking out pirates for their bounties (I wasn't even aware this was an advertised feature. Is it actually in the game because I never saw it)
-The galaxy is a living, breathing place. (nope, completely static place)
-Trade convoys travel between stars, (no they don't)
-factions vie for territory, (no they don't)
-Perhaps you will see the results of their actions as well as your own... (would be pretty funny if they claim the word 'perhaps' doesn't imply the feature necessarily exists)

They probably have a very weak case here. Pity it doesn't sound like the ASA is going to fine the shit out of them like they should, but just get them to take down the offensive material.

 

[Black]

If Advertising Standards actually did something they'd be over video games and other media years ago.

 

[Ash]

True that.

There's some conflicting emotions for me here. I hate seeing garbage be financially successful and drown out other potentially good indie games, but at the same time I take great joy in seeing all the hyping retards that fell for the advertising and fabricated hype suffer great butthurt. And this game has been very successful, even despite all the refunds, and even if not it's still drowned out other projects.

 

[Burning Bridges]

Most companies won't survive more than one such "success". It's a massive embarassment for Sony and for Hello Games it's already Goodbye.

 

[Ash]

You're confident. Last I looked, game companies today consistently over-promise/lie, sell games lacking in or stripped of content to be sold as DLC, and with garbage design, but the people behind it only grow stronger. Hello Games' mistake was probably only that that didn't label the release "early access". But I don't know, I've only been checking in on the subject from time to time to enjoy the butthurt. The moment I realized the extent of the budget being spent on marketing was the moment I was suspicious it'd be shit. And if the masses hate it it must really be shit.

 

[Zewp]

It's all about the extent to which they do it. Ubisoft and CDProjekt get away with it because the final product still somewhat looks like what was advertised.

Then you get idiots like Hello Games who pretty much lied about 90% of the promised features.

 

[sullynathan]

seems to me that only multiplayer was left out. Ubisoft still makes good games once in a while

 

[Metro]

Or people can just use half a brain and wait until they see the actual game upon release rather than rush to preorder.

 

[Zewp]

It would be interesting to see if their claims of making creatures extinct are true, considering there are already mods out that increase the number of creatures. I wonder if someone is autistic enough to try exterminating an entire planet.

 

[Somberlain]

Most companies won't survive more than one such "success". It's a massive embarassment for Sony and for Hello Games it's already Goodbye.

I would guess that, in PR terms, Sony won't suffer from Nu Male's Sky much and their role in this will be forgotten soon. Hello Games, on the other hand, is probably done for. Sony is such a massive, faceless company that it's difficult for the average gamer to direct their hatred at them or even grasp what they actually did. Hello Games is a small studio and the whole game and its advertising were pretty much entirely centered around Sean Murray, which makes him the easiest target to both remember and hate.

 

[Thane Solus]

Well now as a "proper indie" developer promoted by the awesome press, he can also buy an LA mansion and whine on twitter that his life sucks.