Obsidian's Pillars of Eternity [BETA RELEASED, GO TO THE NEW THREAD]

[Roguey]

I hope that means an end to those fucking obnoxious romance derails in the SA thread.

What details he gave about the story sounded fantastic. I hope you guise like liberal writing.

Edit:

Overzealous, aren'tcha? Prepare for a merging.

 

[hiver]

SoZ.

 

[Ninjerk]

 

[garren]

thank fucking god for no shitty romances. Time not developing them better spent elsewhere.

 

[Roguey]

Yeah, Josh believes something should be done well or not at all. Given their limited time/money and all the other things that have to be delivered, something superfluous like optional romance tymes likely wasn't happening.

 

[sea]

I hope that means an end to those fucking obnoxious romance derails in the SA thread.

More likely they'll just complain even more about how much it ruins the game, and demand romances be added in.

 

[Athelas]

The Pillars of Eternity shall fall before the combined wrath of the Societus Biowarius.

 

[Chateaubryan]

Have no fear, an overwhelming crowd of modders will pour their most disturbed prepubescent fantasies into this game and fix it.
That's the perk of not having voiced-over dialogs : the threshold for modding companions is lower.

 

[Goegoff]

"When Tim Cain [key person from the original Fallout games] was implementing it, he had only implemented it essentially through text - there wasn't even the area, and he was still having fun with it."

Bodes well!

 

[DeepOcean]

Have no fear, an overwhelming crowd of modders will pour their most disturbed prepubescent fantasies into this game and fix it.
That's the perk of not having voiced-over dialogs : the threshold for modding companions is lower.

Jesus, it will be the invasion of Aerie clones.

 

[Oesophagus]

What modders will do is beside the point.
Real incline for lack of romances

 

[Delterius]

Have no fear, an overwhelming crowd of modders will pour their most disturbed prepubescent fantasies into this game and fix it.
That's the perk of not having voiced-over dialogs : the threshold for modding companions is lower.

Jesus, it will be the invasion of Aerie clones.

You wish. Compared to the Mary Sues some modders put out for Baldur's Gate, Aerie is a well centered individual that doesn't whine about her tragic past at all.

 

[eremita]

You guys are fucking posers. (I get it, you're all self-confident good looking sex machines, so sex in video games seems pathetic and it's only good for Biowhorean losers... That's cool. You're cool! Can we have a serious conversation now?) I wouldn't mind romanceslike they were in PT or MotB or even some in BG2 (Viconia) - means feeling natural and in correspondence with NPC's presonality. If I am introduced to a hot female NPC who's not a frigid (or) lesbian (welcome to New Vegas!), then the lack of flirting/romance options at all (meaning in case of any type of character I'm roleplaying) feels as arbitrary and out of place (paradoxically) as does having every single character romancable (another extreme). Long story short, do what makes sense!

Conclussion: I don't give shit about romances in general, I want my story to be believable and reactive as much as possible! So, unless that hot chick who is obviously in to me suddenly interrupts our evolving conversations (heh, sorry guys, lack of developement time and money), i'm fine. Otherwise, fuck you.

You're all welcome.

 

[DeepOcean]

You guys are fucking posers. I wouldn't mind romanceslike they were in PT or MotB or even some in BG2 (Viconia) - means feeling natural and in correspondence with NPC's presonality. If I am introduced to a hot female NPC who's not a frigid (or) lesbian (welcome to New Vegas!), then the lack of flirting/romance options at all (meaning in case of any type of character I'm roleplaying) feels as arbitrary and out of place (paradoxically) as does having every single character romancable (another extreme). Long story short, do what makes sense!

Conclussion: I don't give shit about romances in general, I want my story to be believable and reactive as much as possible! So, unless that hot chick who is obviously in to me suddenly interrupts our evolving conversations (heh, sorry guys, lack of developement time and money), i'm fine. Otherwise, fuck you.

You're all welcome.

 

[eremita]

You guys are fucking posers. I wouldn't mind romanceslike they were in PT or MotB or even some in BG2 (Viconia) - means feeling natural and in correspondence with NPC's presonality. If I am introduced to a hot female NPC who's not a frigid (or) lesbian (welcome to New Vegas!), then the lack of flirting/romance options at all (meaning in case of any type of character I'm roleplaying) feels as arbitrary and out of place (paradoxically) as does having every single character romancable (another extreme). Long story short, do what makes sense!

Conclussion: I don't give shit about romances in general, I want my story to be believable and reactive as much as possible! So, unless that hot chick who is obviously in to me suddenly interrupts our evolving conversations (heh, sorry guys, lack of developement time and money), i'm fine. Otherwise, fuck you.

You're all welcome.

Yep! And storyfag on top of that!

 

[Abelian]

How are we posers to admit that we don't like tacked on relationship simulators? There's no accounting for taste, but it's been over 13 years since Bio started shoving the waifu sideplot in their games. Just like most Hollywood shove in a pointless romantic interest. What's so wrong about having a game that doesn't do that once in a while? If people think this is a fatal omission, they can go ahead and play Sims Medieval to their hearts' content.

 

[Delterius]

I wouldn't mind romanceslike they were in PT or MotB

You know what stood out for me in MotB and PT? That the Romances made sense, that they were integral to the plot. I don't really care about romances in general, indeed, I find them too cheezy for my cynical self. But when Safiya declared her love for my PC I went along with it because of how everything in MoTB's story was about Romance. This isn't a zanny random adventure through High Fantasyland where you get to bang some people who like you, this was a story about two tragic souls who fell from grace because of their love.

Meaning that romances either make sense or they don't. If they weren't here from the start best to keep them away. Unless, of course, the objective is merely to pander.

 

[eremita]

How are we posers to admit that we don't like tacked on relationship simulators? There's no accounting for taste, but it's been over 13 years since Bio started shoving the waifu sideplot in their games. Just like most Hollywood shove in a pointless romantic interest. What's so wrong about having a game that doesn't do that once in a while? If people think this is a fatal omission, they can go ahead and play Sims Medieval to their hearts' content.

Are you retarded? That's not what I've been saying at all. Again, a writer should do what seems natural for his story/characters. Forced romances and forced lack of romances are equally bad.

Disclaimer: the word "forced" is supposed to indicate something arbitrary or out o place - it has been done simply for the sake of it. Justified lack of romances is OK.

 

[Lhynn]

I enjoy a good romance as much as a good friendship, or a good rivalry, or a good betrayal, etc, etc etc. As long as the writing is good i dont see why we would need shoehorned romances in our rpgs, People need to understand its not a feature,
Got fucking ninjaed by Delterius but yeah, i agree, it either belongs there or it doesnt.

Id even argue that romances on bg II were very good, and fitting, because they came as a natural result of the circumstances. while romances in later games mainly came as a feature after the acceptance they saw in BGII, and that was pure and utter garbage.

 

[eremita]

I wouldn't mind romanceslike they were in PT or MotB

You know what stood out for me in MotB and PT? That the Romances made sense, that they were integral to the plot. I don't really care about romances in general, indeed, I find them too cheezy for my cynical self. But when Safiya declared her love for my PC I went along with it because of how everything in MoTB's story was about Romance. This isn't a zanny random adventure through High Fantasyland where you get to bang some people who like you, this was a story about two tragic souls who fell from grace because of their love.

Meaning that romances either make sense or they don't. If they weren't here from the start best to keep them away. Unless, of course, the objective is merely to pander.

Exactly!

 

[Tommy Wiseau]

The problem with not having romances is that it's difficult to place one man and woman in the same group and not have them try to bang each other after enough time has elapsed. It has to be brought up sooner or later.

 

[eremita]

The problem with not having romances is that it's difficult to place one man and woman in the same group and not have them try to bang each other after enough time has elapsed. It has to be brought up sooner or later.

Are you saying that men like women and women like men?

 

[Delterius]

I wouldn't mind romanceslike they were in PT or MotB

You know what stood out for me in MotB and PT? That the Romances made sense, that they were integral to the plot. I don't really care about romances in general, indeed, I find them too cheezy for my cynical self. But when Safiya declared her love for my PC I went along with it because of how everything in MoTB's story was about Romance. This isn't a zanny random adventure through High Fantasyland where you get to bang some people who like you, this was a story about two tragic souls who fell from grace because of their love.

Meaning that romances either make sense or they don't. If they weren't here from the start best to keep them away. Unless, of course, the objective is merely to pander.

Exactly!

On the other hand, Romance pandering is the flagship of a particular demographic which is blamed for many misfortunes in RPG design.

 

[DeepOcean]

This isn't a zanny random adventure through High Fantasyland where you get to bang some people who like you, this was a story about two tragic souls who fell from grace because of their love.

Yeah, I think when most people in here are against romances, we are against Bioware type of romances. Bioware romances are creepy bullshit to manipulate dumb women that behave like teenagers to go to bed with you while saying platitudes that would only impress a 12 years old. So Biowhores can have fap aid. Safiya and Deionarra are integral to the main plot of their games because what happened to them was in part what set things in motion on the story. If POE story doesn't involve a a tragic character like them, there are no reasons to make tacked on bullshit for emotionally unstable people.

 

[Tommy Wiseau]

How are we posers to admit that we don't like tacked on relationship simulators? There's no accounting for taste, but it's been over 13 years since Bio started shoving the waifu sideplot in their games. Just like most Hollywood shove in a pointless romantic interest. What's so wrong about having a game that doesn't do that once in a while? If people think this is a fatal omission, they can go ahead and play Sims Medieval to their hearts' content.

Disregarding Bioware, many novels that have nothing to do with romance will have some romance subplots. It's because storytelling is meant to portray (all important facets of) life.