Obsidian's Pillars of Eternity [BETA RELEASED, GO TO THE NEW THREAD]

[Delterius]

Regardless, overhauling systems so close to release is a definite sign of incompetence

This isn't that significant an overhaul. As Josh said on SA, he's not folding space here.

I'm sure Josh quotes are a great way to gauge his own incompetence.

 

[Sensuki]

it's jesawyer, not jsawyer

https://twitter.com/jesawyer/

 

[Infinitron]

That would have worked better if you used the right Twitter account.

 

[Delterius]

Bringing up Sawyer quotes to suit my needs is harder than I thought.

 

[Grunker]

Bringing up Sawyer quotes to suit my needs is harder than I thought.

Really makes you wonder at the twisted dedication Roguey and Sensuki must display to achieve that, right?

 

[Sensuki]

My dedication is to the game though. Roguey's is to the man.

 

[Delterius]

Bringing up Sawyer quotes to suit my needs is harder than I thought.

Really makes you wonder at the twisted dedication Roguey and Sensuki must display to achieve that, right?

Not twisted at all, Sensuki does us a great service by making Roguey redundant. He's a hero. Roguey? Well, you've all seen the picture.

 

[Lhynn]

Regardless, overhauling systems so close to release is a definite sign of incompetence

This isn't that significant an overhaul. As Josh said on SA, he's not folding space here.

I'm sure Josh quotes are a great way to gauge his own incompetence.

Perfect balance is a fucking pointless and boring concept, the best kind of balance comes from giving each character a chance to shine in its selected field of expertise. and those fields are not fucking "DPS" "tanking" and "healing".

Fucking mmo/dota mentality should die.

 

[Sensuki]

I won't be on Watcher duty for PE over Gamescom/Gen Con unfortunately guys, I'll be pretty busy Friday-Sunday AU time. I'll be here for the first day of it though.

 

[Delterius]

Fucking mmo/dota mentality should die.

Competitive balance is an issue but those two specifics are hardly the same.

The issue with DPS is that it implies a world in which damage dealing is a drawn out race with carrots on sticks.

The issue with Tanking is that it implies a world of threat mechanics.

The issue with healing is the same as DPS, except on the verse.

Those are all specific issues with MMOs and the best encounters in WoW were those that fled from the conventions of boring steady DPS, Healing and, God willing, Tanking. In Dota, damage dealers are about opportunity and burst damage; 'tankers' are only hard to kill and healers fill more specific support roles of which healing is only a part. Its also unlike WoW where healing can't really save you from a barrage of attacks. And that is fine for a combatfag game.

 

[Infinitron]

Wenn ich Balance höre ... entsichere ich meinen Browning!

 

[Lhynn]

Fucking mmo/dota mentality should die.

Competitive balance is an issue but those two specifics are hardly the same.

The issue with DPS is that it implies a world in which damage dealing is a drawn out race with carrots on sticks.

The issue with Tanking is that it implies a world of threat mechanics.

The issue with healing is the same as DPS, except on the verse.

Those are all specific issues with MMOs and the best encounters in WoW were those that fled from the conventions of boring steady DPS, Healing and, God willing, Tanking. In Dota, damage dealers are about opportunity and burst damage; 'tankers' are only hard to kill and healers fill more specific support roles of which healing is only a part. Its also unlike WoW where healing can't really save you from a barrage of attacks. And that is fine for a combatfag game.

Combat should be about fighting, not about dps. healing on the fly is the most tension breaking bullshit in new mmos design, its a cancer that should be removed. The instances where it actually feels risky are rare at best.
DPS is another bullshit oversimplification of an abstraction, it makes encounters uninteresting and predictible and it was born to help retarded people keep up.

 

[Ninjerk]

Regardless, overhauling systems so close to release is a definite sign of incompetence

This isn't that significant an overhaul. As Josh said on SA, he's not folding space here.

I'm sure Josh quotes are a great way to gauge his own incompetence.

Perfect balance is a fucking pointless and boring concept, the best kind of balance comes from giving each character a chance to shine in its selected field of expertise. and those fields are not fucking "DPS" "tanking" and "healing".

Fucking mmo/dota mentality should die.

You really practice being clueless, don't you?

 

[Lhynn]

Regardless, overhauling systems so close to release is a definite sign of incompetence

This isn't that significant an overhaul. As Josh said on SA, he's not folding space here.

I'm sure Josh quotes are a great way to gauge his own incompetence.

Perfect balance is a fucking pointless and boring concept, the best kind of balance comes from giving each character a chance to shine in its selected field of expertise. and those fields are not fucking "DPS" "tanking" and "healing".

Fucking mmo/dota mentality should die.

You really practice being clueless, don't you?

I played dota once, didnt care for the bullshit nor the repetition.

 

[Ninjerk]

the best kind of balance comes from giving each character a chance to shine in its selected field of expertise

This is literally the game in a nut-shell.

 

[Lhynn]

the best kind of balance comes from giving each character a chance to shine in its selected field of expertise

This is literally the game in a nut-shell.

and those fields are not fucking "DPS" "tanking" and "healing".

 

[Grunker]

There are DPS/tanking/healing roles in Pillars of Eternity?

Oh, it's Lhynn. Basically a less aggressive FtR when it comes to making unsubstantiated claims about PoE. Let the Sawyer-butthurt flow.

 

[Infinitron]

Seriously, you know that Twitter image is a Photoshop right

Not sure what is weirder, thinking that's real or knowing it's fake and wanting to nerdrage about balance anyway

 

[Delterius]

Combat should be about fighting, not about dps.

And apparently I disagreed with this notion?

 

[Ninjerk]

There are DPS/tanking/healing roles in Pillars of Eternity?

Oh, it's Lhynn. Basically a less aggressive FtR when it comes to making unsubstantiated claims about PoE. Let the Sawyer-butthurt flow.

He's referring to DotA.

 

[Delterius]

Seriously, you know that Twitter image is a Photoshop right

I only deliver hard hitting journalism.

 

[Lhynn]

Arent fighters tanks, rogues single target dps/burst, barbarians AoE dps, mages CC, etc?

 

[Delterius]

Arent fighters tanks, rogues single target dps/burst, barbarians AoE dps, mages CC, etc?

Burst isn't even the same as dps.

 

[Lhynn]

Arent fighters tanks, rogues single target dps/burst, barbarians AoE dps, mages CC, etc?

Burst isn't even the same as dps.

Burst is short term dps increase. Its like saying green apples arent the same as apples.

 

[Delterius]

Arent fighters tanks, rogues single target dps/burst, barbarians AoE dps, mages CC, etc?

Burst isn't even the same as dps.

Burst is short term dps increase. Its like saying green apples arent the same as apples.

So all short terms increases in overall damage imply a scenario in which steady damage per second matters?