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Discussion in 'Tactical Gaming' started by index.php, Jun 14, 2014.

  1. lightbane Arcane

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    Alternatively, try shooting (and hopefully killing) some dudes, then tactically retreat for some extra score. Or capturing one important enemy unit, then tactically retreating.
    You can use fire extinguishers as improvised smoke bombs before you unlock smoke grenades, if that helps. Sounds stupid but also fitting for an action movie.
     
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  2. Efe Erudite

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    zombie missions i would not skip unless you see those red platemail zombies that rape your crew. easy xp and they make money liive or dead.
    honestly having a very hard time enjoying xcf after piratez.
    arbitrary mission turn limit,s a single enemy on a big map as alien lifeform that does nothing but run away. my first ever xcf map took me 50+ turns as i cleared the night map inch by inch.
    horrid scoring. hey you just killed a dozen gangsters with just two of you.. have 12 points.
     
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  3. lightbane Arcane

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    One new feature of the latest update of OXCE is the possibility of having enemy reinforcements in a map, fucking finally. Expect major changes in the two super-mods (Pirates and XFiles).
     
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  4. Alienman Arcane Patron

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    Would love if someone made a Jagged Alliance/mercenary mod for OpenXcom. Or maybe some kind of Commandos/SAS thing during World War 2. Would work perfect with the reinforcement thing too.
     
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  5. Average Manatee Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    I like how the majority of the new features in OXCE seem to be about giving modders more ways to fuck with players.
     
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  6. lightbane Arcane

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    There's mods similar to what you say. One is the XCOM UN mod, and the other one is the War of the Worlds one, which features WW1 stuff vs martians.
    Still, I would say the gameplay of XCOM is too specific to work for a "normal" WWII game. What would research and Chrysallids be replaced with, for example?
     
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    Could go the Wolfenstein route, with magical, occult weapons/creatures maybe. Or the research could just be about intel, for missions, researching officers to kill etc.
     
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  8. AgentFransis Arbiter Patron

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    The more pertinent question is what the geoscape looks like. What are the UFOs, what do missions look like? On a tactical level it's not a problem, there's already a subset of piratez where you fight Nazis with WWII era weapons. Research wise - well, there was plenty of research and advancement during the war but of course the most interesting parts were the advances in armor and aviation and not so much infantry weapons and armor. So it can work but would be kinda boring without the research going into sci-fi.
     
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  9. Alienman Arcane Patron

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    I assume you can check whatever speed you want on UFOs, so they could represent convoys or something like that. Important targets of opportunity. Missions maybe raiding supply lines for bases, taking out key officers, infiltrating bunkers. I would assume the geoscape would look as normal, but you would have to make certain restrictions, like you can't place your bases in occupied territory.

    Last mission: "Führerbunker or bust!" :)
     
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  10. lightbane Arcane

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    Why not play as Germany instead if that's the case and use magic and Nazi-tech to fight against the Allied Forces then?
    Kinda like Silent Storm but without fighting against evil cultists.
     
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  11. lightbane Arcane

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    Fun pic I found in this topic: https://openxcom.org/forum/index.php/topic,6791.msg131494.html#msg131494

    Show Spoiler

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    Can an Eastern Codexian confirm?
     
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  12. AgentFransis Arbiter Patron

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    40k let's you call a bombardment from a battleship in orbit (at a massive resource cost):

    orbital_before2.png

    orbital_after2.png
     
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  13. AgentFransis Arbiter Patron

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    So I finished my 40k Space Marines campaign a while ago (essentially. I unlocked everything but got bored waiting for the final mission). It was fun but the difficulty curve is a bit wonky. It took a while but far less than a piratez campaign.

    The start is hard. Your marines suck, your weapons are shit and you're facing off against chaos marines pretty much from the get go. Your marines in scout armor get 1-2 shot by their bolters and your own bolters barely scratch the pain off their armor and have trouble hitting the wide side of a ship. So you rely heavily on missile launchers, snipers and krak grenades and your memorial list fills up rapidly.

    Slowly it gets easier. You gradually put your guys in real armor made from looted adamantium. You unlock better weapons (most notably lascannons and master crafted bolters and bolt clips). Master crafted bolters with master crafted clips are massively more accurate and deadly than basic bolters and can reliably take out chaos marines at longish ranges especially as your marines learn how to shoot straight. From there it's just gets easier as you unlock stuff like terminator armor, plasma weapons and dreadnaughts as well as larger crafts. The opposition however doesn't really improve too much. At some point chaos marines are replaced by chaos terminators but by that point your guys are so elite and decked out that they don't represent any meaningful difficulty. So at a relatively early point most missions become pretty trivial and you'll only rarely take casualties.

    There are some nice special missions too. Special chaos bases like in previous post. Space hulks (I did two and they were full of Orks but supposedly they can also contain Tyranids). Eldar can also show up but I never saw any. The air game is also a bit weak. Most ships will simply land at some point and can just be assaulted. Really only terror ships never land and need to be shut down if you want to tackle them before they spawn a terror mission (careful, they're can be full of dreadnaughts or demons which actually are pretty pathetic). Enemy fighters do spawn and attempt to intercept your landers but they can't catch droppods and are no threat to the later dropships. Craft weapon progression is also bizarre with later weapons being sidegrades at best. You can also build auxiliary systems to customize your craft but for some reason they cost honor badges to make which are much better spent on master crafted weapons and special armors.

    Some special notes on gear:
    - Melta guns. Can be useful early to melt chaos marine armor but they didn't impress me terribly in that role. More importantly they can burn through ship walls so are quite useful in breaching larger ships. I always had a marine in devestator armor carry one in his backpack (other armors don't have backpack space).
    - Assault marines are very useful against the larger ships. I chose the tactical strategy so I only unlocked them when I finally met some chaos raptors. The bigger ships usually have a roof access that provides a back door for assault marines to come through and chaninsword those annoying buggers hiding in the back rooms.
    - Chapter Standard is incredibly OP. Wielded by someone with high bravery (I used my captain in captain armor to be thematic) it can restore full TUs to your entire squad if they're standing close enough together. It costs a lot of energy to use but an apothecary can just top it back up with some juicy combat stims. I stopped using it after a while since it made things even more trivial.
    - Plasma rifle, especially the master crafted version, is very strong. Wielded by an elite marksman it can snipe half way across the map and make short work of anything. I unlocked it pretty late but you can rush it as soon as you unlock mid-tech.
    - Castaferum dreadnaughts are incredibly strong. Tanky obviously and armed with a rapid firing plasma cannon that can melt anything across the map. Moreover even when a dreadnaught takes damage it doesn't suffer any healing time and can go right back to the field with full health.
    - Tomes of smoke. Unlocked early through the chapter teachings tech (btw in openxcom you can press q to search the full tech tree). When used by someone with high bravery it creates a massive smoke screen on demand.
     
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  14. lightbane Arcane

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    Check the newest update. It fixes some stuff. There's also a fanmod for this mod that introduces variety on orks and Sororitas, as well as general fixes.

    Seems fitting considering the bizarre tier progression (or lack of thereof) with WH40k weaponry.

    Do they have shit range?

    Loyal to canon then. Plasma weaponry without overheating issues is usually strong.

    I wonder what replaces Chrysallids and zombie spawns here. Genestealers?
     
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    Yeah. Like 10 tiles or something and it's hard capped and max 2 shots a turn. The way meltas are implemented is that they are a shotgun with 0 spread that fires 10 low damage "pellets" that do 100% pre damage armor damage. So they melt right through armor but do no damage to the unit until the armor is fully stripped. Later you unlock multimetas that have much higher effective range and they fire a double shot but they can only fire once per clip and each clip takes two inventory slots so it's very cumbersome.

    Yeah. Personally I would have given plasma rifles a weaker auto burst. Right now they can fire triple bursts so they're just as strong an assault weapon as they are a sniper.

    Slaanesh demonettes and corrupted brothers/sisters. Don't remember if they actually spawn a new demonette when killed though. They're pretty weak since, well, they're naked. A better "oh shit it's coming kill it kill it!" equivalent would be Khorne berserkers that rush you on sight swinging their chainaxes and screaming blood for the blood god. And they're quite hard to kill.
     
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    Odd, I expected it would be Nurglites if daemons are the infestor equivalent here. I suppose Slaneesh demons could easily turn people into degenerates instantly though, so I suppose they wanted to make something fresh for a change. As for being neekid, so are Chrysallids and zombies and that's not an issue. Are Tzeench demons a thing? A Lord of Change would be something like an Uber-Ethereal.
     
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    Chrysalids aren't naked, they have hard chitin armor. Demonettes just have skin. The chaos factions go:
    Slaanesh - Demonettes, noise marines (armor bypassing AoE sonic cannons, nasty stuff)
    Nurgle - Plague bolters and plague missiles (infest on damage causing a huge amount of wounds), lesser Nurgle demons
    Tzeench - Flamers, psykers that panic and mind control, Tzeench sorcerers
    Khorne - berserkers, warp talons, some demons
    Raptors - raptors and behemots
    Generic - Demons and flying demons, dreadnaughts, chaos sorcerers that shoot fireballs. Later terminators
     
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  18. The Brazilian Slaughter Arcane

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    Wow, they just built an space elevator here in Pará!

    Wait, Nevermind that, that's just my reaction to these news.

    Can't wait for maps where we have to go to a place, get the objective and then scram before overwhelming numbers of enemies kills us.

    Would also be perfect for representing "Hold the Line" kind of missions.

    It would also be perfect for "soft-timed" missions. Remember the Crop Circles missions of XCF? It would be ultra cool if, instead of losing instantly because of reasons, the map just got filled with MiB goons who will likely kill you in one or two rounds.
     
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  19. Efe Erudite

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    pls dont give xcf autist any more ideas.
    its insanely repetitive as is
     
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  20. lightbane Arcane

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    They have DEMONIC skin, which is not the same, but whatever. Demons in the Dark Heresy pnp games were tough. I suppose this might not be the case here when you have access to heavy weapons.

    No Unclean Ones, thankfully.

    That's exactly what happens! You can still complete it by killing/defeating everyone or taking care of the maddened farmer/s and then scrambling for the exit.
     
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  21. The Brazilian Slaughter Arcane

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    Yeah, but its a "hard failure" - turn timer goes to 0, you lose because its assumed "They" (MiBs) get to you, too.

    With this change, it would be more like the timed missions of nuXCOM2 - if the timer goes to 0, the enemy gets reinforcements.

    I hope Solarius does this, it would improve these missions tremendously.
     
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    That's what I was saying right now, no? The point is that instead of instant loss, now you have spawns of new enemies with powerful gear gunning after you. I haven't checked how it works yet, but that's the theory.
     
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  23. Alienman Arcane Patron

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    Just a little throwback, the PS1 X-com cutscenes:



    Some grimdark stuff in there, but they are all very charming I think. Also interesting to see the Power armor visualized in 3D. Almost look alien/crab-like.
     
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    fuck im sure its just a nostalgia talking but even the ugly ass old cutscenes have so much immersion and feeling coming out of them... compared to some of the new AAA games.
     
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    Made a tiny mod for the X-com Files mod that remove flags from agents. Made it for personal use, but thought I might as well share. It's mostly for when you want to create custom names without bothering having to find a nation flag to match - also I think it looks a bit cleaner.

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    Download X-com Files No Flags 1.0 here!
    Backup download since Tinyupload seems to be down.

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    How to install:

    Put the files in:

    C:\ ... Documents \ OpenXcom \ mods

    And activate the mod from the mod menu in-game.
     
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