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Blaza

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Please, Raggi, Don't ever change. :lol:

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Raggi's response about of why he published this one (from lotfp facebook post ):

Here we go...
WHY I PUBLISHED... #4: Wight Power!
'allo all!
On October 25 we made 10 new releases available from https://www.lotfp.com/store/ ; eight for sale, and two freebies to entice purchase.
Packing and shipping from that initial avalanche of orders is DONE! But while there are other duties, I'm going to take a few minutes every day or five to explain why I decided to publish the items I did, and I will do so in order from what I expected to be the most generally acceptable to what I expect to be the most controversial.
Now coming in at #4... Wight Power!
First off, I want to say that this post is the opinion of the publisher, James Edward Raggi IV. The author has his own thoughts on his instagram page, the first post of which is here: https://www.instagram.com/p/CVdNX4hJpuy/
Now this is at #4 in possible trouble for one reason: All the possible controversy is in the title. And the title is simply wordplay, since the adventure takes place on the Isle of Wight and one of the possible complications in the adventure is a reanimated corpse. And as naive as this may be, as much as I knew that people's knees were going to jerk hard at the title (I kept the title secret until it went on sale because I didn't want to catch all the shit without people being able to see the truth of the matter for themselves), I believe that what something is, is far more important for judging a thing, than what something could be mistaken for being. And I released things this time around, three of them in fact, that are substantively more subversive and disturbing in their actual contents than this book.
And there isn't anyone that's going to tell me that something so stupid as the concept and ideology behind "white power" is so important, that the words are so sacred, that wordplay and puns and generally goofing on it is some blasphemous act. Fuck off with that shit. I have no respect or reverence for "white power," either the words or the concept, and neither should you. I also have no respect for people who would insist that I should have respect for it, either the words or the concept, and neither should you.
And I don't know who needs to hear this, but "wight" and "white" are words with different origins and different meanings. Anyone who says they are the same thing is wrong, or is lying to you.
Anyone who has read any of the actual book and still says that the title is some sort of racist signal, or anyone who knows who the author Alex Mayo is and still says that the title is some sort of racist signal, is either a blithering imbecile, a vicious liar, and probably both.
But I know how people are. I know how the internet is. I knew that people were going to react to the title, I knew that most people don't look into things, I knew that certain people were going to assume the worst when they saw the title, and I knew that certain people were going to use the title as a weapon against LotFP, honesty be damned.
So then... why when Alex pitched me the title and concept along with a few others, was I immediately drawn to this one? Why would I volunteer for at the minimum being harassed by morons, and at worst being branded for all time (the association is only an internet search away!) as an absolutely horrible person (by those that don't already think that of me, of course)?
Because fuck you, that's why.
I'm going to break it down more than that of course, but that's basically it. Do we have the freedom to create or don't we? If we do, then fuck off and leave us to it. If we don't, then I don't want to be here anymore, in this job, on this Earth. It's the only thing that makes life bearable. I'll go out with middle fingers extended.
And I've felt kind of neutered the past couple years. I don't deal too well with real-world things. It's one reason why I enjoy fiction and art and publishing and all the things that occur in the mind and imagination and don't participate in the real world so much. So when Alex offered this to me, it felt like I was being confronted with Big Questions in Life.
Who am I? What do I believe in? Am I going to keep my head down and be scared of twitter rando opinion forever?
nah.
And I've told this story a bunch of times before, but it's relevant and worth repeating: One reason my tastes are as they are, one reason my tastes are as they are, one reason LotFP looks the way it does, is because of the Satanic Panic and general anti-D&D attitudes in the 80s. That devil-may-care 70s attitude towards presentation in the original books was simply superior, and they ruined most everything by watering down what they presented and how they encouraged their player base to water down their imaginations.
The forces today that want to bowdlerize creative work and sand down all the interesting edges and features aren't the same as the people who did so back then, but their influence and pressure is having the exact same effect. I don't have any respect for the people who put negative pressure to conform to certain views in the 80s, and I certainly don't have any respect for the people who are doing it now.
Your modern day Pat Pullings with their misdirected trauma, and your modern day Thomas Radeckis with their bullshit social theories about media, can all go eat shit. Leave people alone.
oohhhh trivia: When deciding how to reveal this book to the world during the release day livestream, I had something more fun in mind than just taking it out of a bag to show off the cover. The idea I had was to pretend like I had no idea how "wight" was pronounced. I was going to say I thought "wight" was Welsh in origin, and pronounce the word in that exaggerated Blackadder-phlegm-joke way. I'd say "Wicchhgt Power! It takes place on the Isle of Wicchhggt" and act completely clueless about it resembling a sinister phrase. But I didn't trust my acting ability to make it seem even remotely convincing, and I definitely didn't trust my ability to do it without cracking up.
And underneath the catchy title, there's one hell of an adventure there too. Faction play, a mystery, weird science, and multiple threat vectors. Sort of like how Towers Two had a lot of insanity laid over what was essentially a small-scale old-school sandbox setting.
#3 soon!

I'm glad Raggi is standing his ground on this one. Wight Power is a hilarious name and people need to learn to take a joke.
 

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So then... why when Alex pitched me the title and concept along with a few others, was I immediately drawn to "Wight Power"? Because fuck you, that's why.

There, fixed it for you, Raggi. No need to thank me.

Edit: actually, no, that isn't good enough either. Should've gone with:

"Wight Power". Because fuck you, that's why.
 
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Ultimate conclusion: "very polished meh". Lots of OSE stuff seems to suffer from this. There is a generic soullessness that haunts the line.
Aside from what Gavin writes himself, I'm feeling the same about the OSE products. And it has a lot of "not actually made for OSE but let's publish under that license because it's popular" as well.
 

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Yeah, Gavin's stuff is top notch. His succinct style is exactly what I want to read, I don't need my gaming books to be poetic or tied to a certain setting. With all due respect to the late mr Gygax, of course. ;)

Edit: but "Old-School Essentials" is still a godawful name. Oh well, at least it's better than "B/X Essentials"... try explaining that to newbies.
 

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Maybe we'll get the Hyperborea 3e pdfs before Christmas. Maybe.


Emiliano MarchettiSuperbacker6 days ago
I was wondering if there is a current estimated date for the PDFs. We're planning an "old-school" reunion during Christmas with a player who is normally unable to play with us due to family commitments and Hyperborea is one the system that is being considered... :)

Jeffrey TalanianCreator6 days ago
It's coming along really well. All the final parts of the process are in motion, so your wish is very likely to come true. Cheers!
 

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Melan I got a print cop of Castle Xyntillan a few months ago and finally got through it. Loving the book and interesting to see things from the DM side after playing through it looking forward to run it.

I have to compliment you thought when I first held the book on my hands I was surprised by the book size. Playing in it the adventure felt so large that I imagined the tome huge but you really did pack so many amazing things in a excellent package.

Also it's nice to have a mega-dungeon book I actually want to carry with me and use at the table rather rather than just leave at home and just use a notebook of spark notes. Looking at you Forbidden Caverns of Arcahia.
 

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Thanks! A lot of the effort with the book went into making sure it stayed reasonable lean without sacrificing depth. A lot of game stuff is positively bloated, while some modern OSR modules are so lean that they end up missing meaningful content. It is a fine line to walk, but if I have done it, it is great to see the effort recognised!
 

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Melan I got a print cop of Castle Xyntillan a few months ago and finally got through it. Loving the book and interesting to see things from the DM side after playing through it looking forward to run it.

I have to compliment you thought when I first held the book on my hands I was surprised by the book size. Playing in it the adventure felt so large that I imagined the tome huge but you really did pack so many amazing things in a excellent package.

Also it's nice to have a mega-dungeon book I actually want to carry with me and use at the table rather rather than just leave at home and just use a notebook of spark notes. Looking at you Forbidden Caverns of Arcahia.

Xyntillan is the ONLY book that I have that I ran without reading it beforehand (I read only the city part and about the encounters in the end of the book and that was it). It worked flawlessly.
Even the necrotic gnome ones I need to read before to translate and interpret some of the stuff.
 

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Small correction, although I'm pretty sure everyone reading this thread already knows this: if you want B/X, get the Classic Fantasy tomes. Advanced Fantasy has bards, druids, ..., and (as an optional rule) separate race and class!
 

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IIRC the previous Advanced Fantasy KS only came with the books, this time there's a box for them as well. And the Classic Fantasy box will have new art and I suppose the books are new printings with more art and with errata applied.

Dunno if I, personally, will back them this time, I already own everything on offer and the errata and new art alone isn't that intriguing. We'll see.
 

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At this point, I have no idea anymore which OSE edition contains what.

Meanwhile, Moldvay/Cook is still Moldvay/Cook. BFRPG is still BFRPG. Labyrinth Lord is still Labyrinth Lord.

This has the smell of "sooper rare GOLD FOIL speshul edition".
 

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At this point, I have no idea anymore which OSE edition contains what.

Classic Fantasy = Moldvay/Cook B/X.

Advanced Fantasy = "B/Xified",
-- i.e. simplified -- AD&D stuff, possibly also containing the Classic Fantasy stuff, possibly not. Depends on the exact book. It's not ideal.

Labyrinth Lord is still Labyrinth Lord.

What about Advanced Labyrinth Lord? ;)

This has the smell of "sooper rare GOLD FOIL speshul edition".

You're not wrong.
 

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The stupidity of Necrotic Gnome was to listen to Exalted Funeral and release the Advanced stuff as two books with all the classic material plus the advanced instead of just one with the extra advanced material. Now it is just confusing for everyone and I had to get overlap material when i just wanted the Advanced material. To make it worse, now you can't get the little booklets separately, you need to buy the boxes if you want just one or two of the booklets.
 

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Thoughts on Whitehack? Was looking at it for running an OSR campaign. Truncated stat blocks appeal to my ADHD zoomer brain, but I want to make sure the cool kids on RPG Codex don't think it's lame before I DM it.
 

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Thoughts on Whitehack? Was looking at it for running an OSR campaign. Truncated stat blocks appeal to my ADHD zoomer brain, but I want to make sure the cool kids on RPG Codex don't think it's lame before I DM it.
It's pretty gay (the deft, the strong, and the wise,) but if you like the mechanics go for it :)
 

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Thoughts on Whitehack? Was looking at it for running an OSR campaign. Truncated stat blocks appeal to my ADHD zoomer brain, but I want to make sure the cool kids on RPG Codex don't think it's lame before I DM it.
I haven't played it, but my players have. Their impressions: it is like every other ultralight system EVER.
 

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