Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker Builds and Strats Thread

[Raghar]

I mean, your party rests 8 hours + cooks. Then effect stays for 16. It's not algebra but not an unreasonable design either. If you think about it as an "adventuring day" anyway.

So when they rest 9 hours the effect lasts longer?

 

[Incendax]

Well if you're facing monsters which are hot women drowning men in lakes yes. If you're facing something like incubi (if such thing exists in Pathfinder) then it should be other way around.
But Fey gonna Fey.

Amiri throws around numerous hints that she would like the former. They never outright say it, because she’s an iconic, but the hints are there.

 

[Rob McQuown]

Food and its effect

Dish - primary effect - secondary "favorite" effect

Grilled Silver Eel - 10 movement bonus
Owlbear omelett - +1 attack rolls - +5 Nature Lore (Ekun)
Jeweled Rice - + 5 movement - + 5 movement (Jaethal)
Rice & Nut Pudding - + 5 movement - + 1d6 sneak dice with spells (octavia)
Haggis - +1 saving throws - +3 will saves (Harrim)
Sweet Pancakes - + 5 movement
Seasoned Wings and Thighs - 1 temp hitpoint per level
Sheperds Pie - +1 saving throws - +1d6 channel positive energy (tristian)
Galt Ragout - +4 hours before Fatigue
Fish on a stick - +4 hours before Fatigue - +3 Trickery and UMD (nok-nok)
Onion Soup - +1 saving throws
Succulent Sausages - 1 temp hitpoint per lvl
Monster Casserole - +2 on dmg rolls
Hunters Roast - 1 temp hitpoint per lvl, +3 Nature Lore (Ekun)
Chocolade Icecream - +3 to all skill checks
Smoked Trout and Hydra Pate - +1 AC
Broiled Tuskwater Oyster - +1 spell DCs - +5 Perception (Jaethal)
Baked Spider Legs - +3 Fortitude saves - +5 Stealth (Nok-Nok)
Kameberry Pie - fast healing 1
Mastodon Steak + 1.5 temp HP per lvl
Hearty meal - +1 saves
Cheese Crostata - +6 hours before Fatigue

Duration is "1 day" i.e. 16 hours, because in Russia a day is 16 hours long. I don't know the secondary effects for ppl not in my party, so if anybody knows these we could complete the list.

Thanks for this!

Why don't people include ingredients, would be useful. FWIW, there's also this thread, haven't checked if it's in total agreement but it lists the boosts for each companion's favored chow: https://steamcommunity.com/app/640820/discussions/0/1730963192545322821/

 

[Rob McQuown]

Any guidelines yet on which classes are good to multiclass a bit into, and which ones to focus all the way on them to get the most benefits?

Inquisitor 1 gets a domain (travel for +10 movement FTW IMO), a judgement (+1 to hit to compensate for no +1 BAB?), and all skills as class skills, if that's your thing. Also Longbow prof if you don't have it.

I have a fun NPC I called Scamper, who dipped into Inq1 (travel), Mad Dog Barb 1 (+10 speed), then is building up as a Druid with 50 speed and longbow (ranged attacks sorely lacking for stock druids). Figure if I shape change, I'll use take Weapon Finesse, but mainly plan to just summon stuff. Oh, and this char took Trickery and handles my boxes and traps (yay Inquisitor) -Perception/Nature/Trickery even with 7 INT!

BTW, I heartily recommend taking Domain-Animal as a druid instead of Animal Companion. The 1 feat for Boon Companion is a small price to pay for an extra spell at each level, IMO. At least if you plan to be a spellcaster primarily. If you're planning to turn into a tiger and shred things, that's another story.

FWIW, I have really fallen in love with Leopard as a companion. I know Smiley nominally does more damage, but Trip is really nice, and such a high dex on the cat!

 

[Rob McQuown]

Apologies, I see you listed the boosts for each companion, too. Doh!

 

[Rinslin Merwind]

Can someone recommend item for making it as host for Bonded Holy Symbol on my Ecclesitheurge? Have anyone seen item which fitting most to be a bounded item for cleric?

 

[Yosharian]

Can someone recommend item for making it as host for Bonded Holy Symbol on my Ecclesitheurge? Have anyone seen item which fitting most to be a bounded item for cleric?

The nearest young boy. I hear they're ask the rage among the clergy.

 

[bataille]

Well if you're facing monsters which are hot women drowning men in lakes yes.

Surely monks would be immune?

Monk does not equal Eunuch

but
it is a good question.

 

[Rinslin Merwind]

The nearest young boy. I hear they're ask the rage among the clergy.

Thanks for suggestion, I will try to find a young boy in a middle of the forest which filled with undead and monsters. I pretty sure they would be nearby.

 

[archaen]

The nearest young boy. I hear they're ask the rage among the clergy.

Thanks for suggestion, I will try to find a young boy in a middle of the forest which filled with undead and monsters. I pretty sure they would be nearby.

His name is Tig. Parent of the millennium award to his mother.

 

[J1M]

Well if you're facing monsters which are hot women drowning men in lakes yes.

Surely monks would be immune?

Monk does not equal Eunuch

but
it is a good question.

Monks have high saves, they'll be fine.

 

[Shadenuat]

One of the interesting concepts I wonder if it will work for a full party is this: it doesn't seem like even endgame enemies are good at going through combat invis
But of course they have shitton of perception
But that can be countered by leveling up Sneak. Even if they have +40 perception, we can counter it with high dex party, skill focus, dazzling cloaks on some of party members (+10), and so on

Which brings me to idea - what if we run full dex, full Sneak party, where we can counter +30-40 Perception, and can we break fey with this. It should be quite interesting
Like whole party of mercs from Jagged Alliance slapped with all the camo behind enemy lines

 

[The Great Deceiver]

I've been thinking about making a Quarterstaff wielding, Neutral Monk for my next playthrough. Probably a Scaled Fist 16/Thug 4, though I've been also thinking about some levels of Two-handed Fighter (mainly to gain a lot of feats). Paladin would've been a good choice, but I want to reserve a Lawful Good run for later.

As for the feat choices, I'm thinking combat maneuvers and Dazzling Display.

Any suggestions, aside from 1 level of Vivisectionist, which seems like the best dip? Another idea was a mixture of Monk/Sorcerer, but it probably won't work well, would it? Rather than going full munchkin, I'm more interested in working around those self-imposed limitations (described earlier) - as I find that process more fun.

 

[Shadenuat]

Can't for hell remember a quarterstaff better than +2

 

[Fedora Master]

Can't for hell remember a quarterstaff better than +2

Fairly certain the monk crafting lady can give you +3 staves with various insane additional effects, but that's entirely random.

 

[Western]

Thinking of rolling a Vivisectionist, probably human and giving it a single class dip in Inquisitor, fighter is probably a better dip but with that level of Inquisitor the build has the, 'i'm here to question you painfully' vibe.

Going to try and spread points evenly between strength and dex. Atleast enough to take most 2 weapon fighting feats and get some dex bonuses from the medium armour proficiency but ditch weapon finesse.

The build isn't really optimal, but has its strengths earlier in the game as you can flip between sword and board, and dual wield eventually making it both if you want with shield fighting feats. You'd get a better weapon and armour selection by going fighter (knife master is a great dip as well but would probably be better in a dex build).

You don't get the level 20 benefits, but it doesn't sound like a character will reach level 20 (atleast there won't be much left in the game when you do) for a greater discovery anyway. Also I don't like the idea of dex builds that lack uncanny dodge (especially with the way flanking seems to be implemented in the game).

 

[Sykar]

Just a quick question, if you chose your Wizard to be for example a Thassilonian Conjurer, do you retain the extra Metamagic feats and the Conjurers class abilities like Dimension Door and extra duration for summons or do you get an additional spell slot at the expense of another opposite school only?

 

[aweigh]

What's the benefit of going bows instead of crossbows? The STR modifier from Composite?

In Linzi's case where she has no STR, should she always use a crossbow only?

I tried seeing if the game's crossbows are slower than longbows but they seem to fire equally as fast.

 

[Lawntoilet]

What's the benefit of going bows instead of crossbows? The STR modifier from Composite?

In Linzi's case where she has no STR, should she always use a crossbow only?

I tried seeing if the game's crossbows are slower than longbows but they seem to fire equally as fast.

Bows are better because you can get Manyshot, but Ekun has that covered. There are at least 1 very good and 1 godly Heavy Crossbow in the game that might be good to go for with Linzi.

 

[Cael]

What's the benefit of going bows instead of crossbows? The STR modifier from Composite?

In Linzi's case where she has no STR, should she always use a crossbow only?

I tried seeing if the game's crossbows are slower than longbows but they seem to fire equally as fast.

The main advantage of bows over longbows is the free action drawing of the arrow. Crossbows need a move to reload unless you spend a feat. Bows also comes in mighty composite form which gives Str bonus to damage (up to the mighty rating) while crossbows need another feat to add half Dex bonus to damage.

However, various games have mucked with how crossbows are done. In ToEE, for example, there is technically no difference between a light crossbow and a heavy crossbow other than the damage (in PnP heavy crossbows take a full round action to load).

The thing you need to look out for is how many attacks a round you get with a crossbow. It should only be 1 per round regardless of your base attack bonus, while bows will give you multiple attacks according to your BAB. Unless she has the Fast Reload feat.

 

[aweigh]

isn't attacks per round determined by the character's BAB?

as for the crossbow loading action: that's why I asked, because crossbows don't seem to require loading in Kingmaker, making them same as bows in that regard.

EDIT: I re-read your post and now I understand! Sorry.

Crossbows: ALWAYS only 1 attack.

Bows: Attacks determined by BAB.

 

[Cael]

isn't attacks per round determined by the character's BAB?

as for the crossbow loading action: that's why I asked, because crossbows don't seem to require loading in Kingmaker, making them same as bows in that regard.

EDIT: I re-read your post and now I understand! Sorry.

Crossbows: ALWAYS only 1 attack.

Bows: Attacks determined by BAB.

Yep. You can get a feat to reduce the loading times to free action (medium) or move action (heavy), which means that heavy cbows are always only 1 attack per round but the medium behaves like a normal bow.

That is, by the way, the main advantage of repeating cbows over normal ones: they have a magazine of 5 bolts, which allows you to do multiple attacks as per your BAB until the mag runs out. That feat basically screws up the medium repeater because you need an exotic weapon feat to use the repeater in the first place.

 

[Jarpie]

According to someone in discord, they fixed the quarterstaff working with flurry of blows, so looks like I'm starting over with the monk. Wasn't it recommended to multi-class with sorcerer?

 

[The Great Deceiver]

According to someone in discord, they fixed the quarterstaff working with flurry of blows, so looks like I'm starting over with the monk. Wasn't it recommended to multi-class with sorcerer?

I'm planning this build:

1 Vivisectionist/4 Thug/5 Two-handed Fighter/10 Scaled Fist

Lawful Neutral Human

17 STR
14 DEX
12 CON
13 INT
8 WIS
16 CHA

It's essentially a debuff specialist build (Dazzling Display, Debilitating Injury, Brutal Beating, Disarm, Trip, Sunder Armor, Shatter Defenses, Dreadful Carnage), but it also should deal more than respectable damage.

1 Scaled Fist: Monk Feat - Crane Style, Weapon Focus - Quarterstaff, Combat Experstise
2 Thug
3 Thug: Trip, Combat Trick: Dazzling Display
4 Thug: + 1 STR
5 Thug: Combat Trick: Power Attack, Bull Rush
6 Vivisectionist: True Strike, Shield, Cure Light Wounds, Enlarge Person
7 Two-handed Fighter: Outflank, Disarm
8 Two-handed Fighter: + 1 STR, Greater Bull Rush
9 Two-handed Fighter: Sunder Armor
10 Two-handed Fighter: Weapon Specalization - Quarterstaff
11 Two-handed Fighter: Shatter Defenses
12 Scaled Fist: + 1 STR, Monk Feat: Dodge
13 Scaled Fist: Draconic Heritage: Green
14 Scaled Fist: Ki Power: Barkskin
15 Scaled Fist: Style Strike : Leg Sweep, Dreadful Carnage
16 Scaled Fist: + 1 STR, Monk Feat: Intimidating Prowess, Ki Power: Sudden Speed
17 Scaled Fist: Crane Riposte
18 Scaled Fist: Ki Power: Restoration
19 Scaled Fist: Style Strike: Defensive Spin, Improved Critical - Quarterstaff
20 Scaled Fist: + 1 STR, Monk Feat: Combat Reflexes, Ki Power: Wholeness of the Body

Would appreciate feedback on it, as am not really an expert on Pathfinder.

Two levels of paladin would probably a good fit for this build, but I plan on doing a Lawful Good run later.

 

[Serus]

The Great Deceiver
Locking yourself into one type of not very popular weapon is not something I would do but that's probably just me. People mentioned that you can get good quarterstaffs from an artisan eventually but it can take a while. Overall, you'r probably be fine and it's just my autism speaking.
More importantly, isn't so many different maneuvers an overkill? Sunder Armour, Disarm, Bull Rush and what else... I doubt you will be able to make effective use of all this very often. I would take feats that would work to my advantage most of the time earlier instead (like dodge or intimidating prowess for better dazzling display).
And finally why no Cornugon Smash? You'd need Power Attack as well for that so 1 or 2 combat maneuvers need to go but if you are going for a Thug/debuffer (with high STR and intimidating prowess on top of that) than not taking it seems like a wasted opportunity.

Consider, I'm a noob as well so take what I said with a grain of salt.