Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[Dr Skeleton]

Nyrissa

Spoiler

So in order to give Nyrissa the Briar I'd have to romance her? I must have missed that completely, I just wanted to restore her soul with the Briar. I romanced Valerie. She doesn't like gods but she sure likes paladin dick.

Books

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I talked to the imp, that's how I knew which books went to the upper and lower shelves. I just thought the puzzle was about restoring Nyrissa's mind or something (putting the good and bad emotions in order from being scattered in her mind/house) and it seems to accomplish absolutely fucking nothing. The puzzle takes a long time to complete and it just gives some shitty loot, unless I missed something.

Ending

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I know there is another sequence if you go against the Lantern King. But why would I? That was a good ending. I got my kingdom, I couldn't help Nyrissa, she got
fucked over even further but that's not really my problem. I could maybe see killing Nyrissa if I can't restore her with the Briar but allying with her if she's still "evil"?

Doing everything ~150 hours.

Seems about right. I played ~50h with a wizard then started over and finished the game with a paladin, total 200-something h. And this game loves wasting your time, even with improved loading times after patch 1.2. I didn't finish some side quests and that thing in the spoiler but I had the entire map explored and everything completed in the kingdom.

Another thing I just remembered

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If I do the mirror quest before dealing with the worm mage, then talk to him, does that do anything? Because I killed him before doing the quest. I assume it doesn't change anything but who knows

 

[Daidre]

About Nyrissa

Spoiler

Yes, for her to take Briar you need to complete all her previous romance encounters + you need rank up her approval from the beginning of the game. Her romance also breaks if you have relationship with someone else (you can still skip fight with her but she refuse Briar because "your heart belongs to another"). Among other things you need 13+ curse research and "hidden" by skill checks dialogue options after defeat of Tartuk, Armag and Vordekai.
Personally, I prefer just kill the bitch. It is even funnier, if you skip her fight by romance and give her cap fucked up by Shyka.

 

[Shadenuat]

About Nyrissa

Spoiler

Yes, for her to take Briar you need to complete all her previous romance encounters + you need rank up her approval from the beginning of the game. Her romance also breaks if you have relationship with someone else (you can still skip fight with her but she refuse Briar because "your heart belongs to another"). Among other things you need 13+ curse research and "hidden" by skill checks dialogue options after defeat of Tartuk, Armag and Vordekai.
Personally, I prefer just kill the bitch. It is even funnier, if you skip her fight by romance and give her cap fucked up by Shyka.

Spoiler

I am not sure I think you can do without romance, just need high counter for positive relationship with her
Romance just gives you more chances to increase it
For me not following Tristian broke it since it allows for extra encounter with her

 

[Daidre]

And again about crazy nymph.

Spoiler

I am 100% sure you can not remove her curse and kill LK once and for all without romance. Only "Power of Love" let you do it. And Nyrissa, like all women, do not have positive relationship variable, only romance counter:D.

 

[Frusciante]

Steam review from today from a guy called (BoNE)-akaDEATH:

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Its the worst most dated scam game I have ever played on steam, but the thing that annoys me is that its priced as if its some kinda huge AAA project that cost 80 million in development ... its basically a 1/3 of the size of Zelda in 1990, with very childish dialog suitable for a small kid, everything comes down to choices ... go left go right ? Combat is real time, its 1 too 3 seconds for all 10 or 20 people to move within that time .. lul , .... so what ends up happening is AI runs the battle and its such a scam ..... I have no idea how this game got anything other than RAGE from the community , but perhaps its some huge social media suck up kick start thing full of supportive moms and aunties ...... this game is thieft, its not even a game its a pretend D&D character sheet hidden behind a story book of childish choices ... easy to finish without ever giving one crap about any detail ... when i lvl up i just click anythihng ,, pick any spell... it doesnt matter, put a cross bow in your hand and let AI win, if you die click try again and you will never lose... you will finish the game in an hour or 2 without ever using a pot or equiping armor or anything else

NOTE: ALL the positive comments about this game are clearly a group effort, note the dates and the person writing them.. then note me, I have been on steam from years, bought hundreads of games and written a total of 3 reviews ... a game must be VERY good or VERY bad for me to actually bother .... and this game is a con, a thieft, it should not be on steam at all.... this is some kinda mafia nonsense going on here ... if you doubt me then buy it... it takes 45 minutes to enter the game and test it due to 150 choices to make on your character before the game will even start ,,, All the choices are a hoax and do nothing, like What Sunsign is your toon, does it believe in the mighty protecting the weak... does it favor the bold ... bla bla bla .... total nonsense like some kinda survey from hell ... and takes 15 minutes past the refund time ... good luck with this scam, some thief is sitting in his moms basement getting rich of this hoax.

All I can say is

I notice the game currently has a Mixed rating on Steam (which given the 150 odd hours I've put into it so far it most assuredly does not deserve). Retardation aside, has a common consensus in the negative ratings been found - bugs, high difficulty? It's sad to see a great game with rough edges get tarnished by a group of philistines.

I think it’s a combination of difficulty and lack of accessibility.

For me the first 3 to 4 levels there were some very annoying difficulty spikes. Like having to reload many many times to get lucky with the rolls. Later on, from level 5 to where i’m now it is perfect (am now lvl 10 and play on challenging).

And I knew how to properly built my party after some experimentation upfront.

I guess for someone new to pathfinder or dnd in general it must be impossible to figure out how to properly build an efficient character. Especially since the UI doesn’t tell you everything you need to know.

 

[VentilatorOfDoom]

not sure if all these steps are required but it works to get that ending

Spoiler

- be nice/flirting in dialogue
- do old sycamore before temple of elk
- kill Hargulka first then Tartuk then talk to Tartuk and gain the curse related dialogue, afterwards you can kill him, same applies to Vordekai and Armag, make sure to click the curse related dialogue before killing them
- bring Tristan into Vordekai tomb
- have Tristan destroy the eye
- research all curses
- do betrayers flight first for this gives you additional Naryssa encounters
- when in her dreams succeed at the cyoa sequence, tell her to not despair etc
- when all is done correctly you will 1) find the real briar on Irovetti instead of a fake one in Irovettis chamber and 2) Naryssa will come to the throne room, put everyone to sleep and then talk to you, saying how she didn't immediately realize you had entered her dreams because it wasn't the first time she dreamt about you. Don't tell her you give her your kingdom because she will just go "what a wimp, love is weakness", instead say something like, "your welcome to try to take my kingdom - if you can."
- HateoT: she takes briar, pick the romance option
- if everything worked there will be an additional location to go to after the house, go to all the other locations first to remove your curse, then go to that location together with her (everblooming flower), 3 eldest will give you a task each and help vs LK without which you couldn't defeat him, also Naryssa, defaced sister etc will be in your camp with all the other allies

 

[Efe]

Spoiler

1) find the real briar on Irovetti instead of a fake one in Irovettis chamber
rather than all listed above, isnt this because tristian immediately breaks the eye without bringingi t to her first

 

[Grunker]

While waiting for this to get bug free I didn't really consume much news - what are the odds of a sequal to this? Did it tank completely or is there hope?

 

[Cyberarmy]

-when in her dreams succeed at the cyoa sequence,-

I actually failed this but achieved romance ending nontheless.

 

[Dr Skeleton]

Spoiler

So it looks like I locked myself out of that ending by helping the Swordlords before going after Tristan. That and I didn't romance Nyrissa at all, at least I wasn't trying to but I wasn't hostile either. I've done everything else (all curses, Tristan took the eye from Vordekai, got the briar, talked to her in the dream cyoa). Pretty interesting that they did it like that. I suppose many people would be angry it's so easy to fail the "good" ending but so far few people actually had the patience to finish the game anyway.

I didn't do 2 quests

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the guy who was locked in the cyclops tomb under Kamelands. "use the key from the well but you also need to defeat 45 monsters..." no thanks. I even went back there and talked to the barrier, it told me the monster lairs would be highlighted on the map but they weren't, at least I didn't notice. Is there anything interesting there other than a fight and some loot?

Spoiler

the ghost queen trapped in monoliths puzzle. Same thing, 5 or so locations, no clue how to set the monoliths, I skipped it

 

[Daidre]

While waiting for this to get bug free I didn't really consume much news - what are the odds of a sequal to this? Did it tank completely or is there hope?

It is all speculation, but I estimate chances on direct sequel close to non-existent since there is no P:K 2 module from paizo and story has definite ending.
Owlcat mentioned that game sold above expectation (no source, sorry) and development cost a lot less in Moscow than in California. If you check amount of reviews on Steam its almost 6k now and that is huge to how niche, russian and bugged at release game is (Deadfire is 3.2k and first POE ~8k four years after).
So I hope to see them adapting another popular adventure path.

 

[Dr Skeleton]

They should make another Evil Islands.

 

[Daidre]

I'd loved to see another HOMM from them after V, but that hope is long dead after all rape franchise gone through in the hands of Ubisoft.

 

[toro]

They should make another Evil Islands.

Fuck you. This hurts.

 

[VentilatorOfDoom]

Spoiler

the guy who was locked in the cyclops tomb under Kamelands. "use the key from the well but you also need to defeat 45 monsters..." no thanks. I even went back there and talked to the barrier, it told me the monster lairs would be highlighted on the map but they weren't, at least I didn't notice. Is there anything interesting there other than a fight and some loot?

Spoiler

the ghost queen trapped in monoliths puzzle. Same thing, 5 or so locations, no clue how to set the monoliths, I skipped it

1) no, there is only a fight and a lot of very good loot, you can dimension door over the barrier
2) easy fight, drops good loot, it's a 5x5 grid, regarding north as the top row , starting with the top row, counting the position from the left, you have to put the monolith in the following places: 1,3,5,2,4,
or if you want row/column coordinates: r1c1, r2c3, r3c5, r4c2, r5c4, if you make screenshots of all 5 grids you will see that some of the ground is intact/destroyed, 1 spot in each row, however, is always intact, this is where the column goes

 

[axedice]

There's an album with secreenshots of ghost queen puzzle aswell.

https://imgur.com/a/sSCiuBS


What does wiz lvl7 spell firebrand supposed to do? The only spells you'd like it to work are sirocco and tar pool, yet you're immune to neither. Not sure if this is intended or a bug.

 

[Haplo]

the guy who was locked in the cyclops tomb under Kamelands.

Yeah, so, about the Lonely Barrow Lich.
You "only" miss loot and Exp (worth almost a full level at level 11). Among the loot is a crazy good hat, crazy awesome top Greataxe, sick Duelling Blade, great flail, best x-bow, interesting spear, top bracers and amulet.
This place is a real Monty Haul treasure trove.

 

[Dr Skeleton]

Meh, by the Pitax chapter I was swimming in +5 weapons and +6 to everything belts/hats so I didn't need more stuff. If anything there is too much good stuff in the last quarter of the game, I think by the end had 4 different +5 longbows and 3 +5 longswords and they were all very good. I don't know if that's a Pathfinder thing but IMO there are too many stat boosting items and too early. In IWD or BG a +2 or +4 belt to one stat was very nice, here everyone gets +4 to 2 stats or +2 to 3 as soon as they leave town in chapter 2/3. The longbow that deals 2d6 + 2d6 acid and counts the strength bonus is like something you'd get in IWD Heart of Fury, here it's in chapter 2 when you're like level 6 or 7. But I guess that's just how the game is balanced, it's not like the enemies are pulling any punches.

They should make another Evil Islands.

Fuck you. This hurts.

Hey, they put Evil Islands on the Owlcat website under "Here’s a few of the games we worked on" so at least someone else remembers it - the devs. Maybe they need to be pestered about on the forum? I don't even care much about the Allods settings, I just want that fast RTwP combat style, stealth and backstabbing, crafting and maybe that primitive setting of the first island. Why can't they do a "spiritual successor" that has those?

 

[Daidre]

I just want that fast RTwP combat style, stealth and backstabbing

Nowdays they are pestered on forums that their games should be accessible, balanced and TB. In the topics of game that was designed to be casual enough for western audience. They just did not expected that this audience has too high opinion about themselves to play game on normal.

 

[Haplo]

Meh, by the Pitax chapter I was swimming in +5 weapons and +6 to everything belts/hats so I didn't need more stuff.

Uh, well, some of the stuff in Lonely Barrow is kinda better. Or +5 with some sick properties.

 

[Daidre]

And one and only +8 hat is there.

 

[Jaedar]

While waiting for this to get bug free I didn't really consume much news - what are the odds of a sequal to this? Did it tank completely or is there hope?

It is all speculation, but I estimate chances on direct sequel close to non-existent since there is no P:K 2 module from paizo and story has definite ending.
Owlcat mentioned that game sold above expectation (no source, sorry) and development cost a lot less in Moscow than in California. If you check amount of reviews on Steam its almost 6k now and that is huge to how niche, russian and bugged at release game is (Deadfire is 3.2k and first POE ~8k four years after).
So I hope to see them adapting another popular adventure path.

I'd be completely fine with a same engine sequel/expansion. I think I'd also prefer to see them make a game consisting of 3 shorter campaigns (preferably most of them focusing on the level range the game works best at ie 3ish-8ish) than another 100+ hours campaign. More opportunity to try out nifty character builds that way.

Obviously I'd prefer them to switch to an engine that isn't unity to get rid of the insane loading times, but I doubt that will happen. More races/classes/feats is obviously also a requirement.

Nice to hear the game probably sold well at least.

 

[Grunker]

Unity isn't the problem as far as loading times go, or at least, you could shave them down pretty easily even in unity. The game is very swift and runs well during a new game. The problem is that the game saves every crappy item and entry almost forever, which becomes part of your save file which grows and grows. I'm playing on a pretty monster rig and the game chops once in a while now, it didn't at all when I started. But besides that flawless loading has become laggy, long loading.

There was a mod that did exactly what I suggest (just clear out items from areas when you commanded it too) but I think it broke with the latest patch.

 

[Daidre]

Good thing that Pitax is last chapter with long loading screens. After going to ch 6 game shaves off all kingdom and world map data and loading/saving is back to normal.

I agree that doing smaller campaign will do a world of good for them. One of the Devs mentioned on forum that they do not have proper QA department and outsourcing decent QA for video-game is incredibly difficult. With shorter module there is less C&C piling up in save game and chances to do sufficient "in house" testing is a lot higher.

 

[Grunker]

I dunno, I really enjoy the massive scope of this thing and I mean it came out in what - October? - and here I am playing it in February more or less bug-free. That's pretty damned impressive for something I thought had the potential to be rus-jank.

It's pretty rough around the edges of course, but then again what RPG isn't