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Daidre

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I am conflicted with my last Vivi about taking 12 or 16 lvls in class. I do not like alchemist lvl 5 spell list, and Transformation + last tier mutagen seems less attractive when you can get Opportunist and Double Debilitation as part of the deal with Rogue 4 for Uncanny Dodge.
 

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If my aim would be maximizing damage, the decision would be simpler. But as I wanted a mean tripping machine, buffed it's -6 BAB/CMB from missing Transformation and -2 CMB from missing Grand Mutagen.
59 CMB before TrueStrike (or 61 with Coordinated Maneuvers) -> 51 (53)
Quite a difference.
 

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Damn, I'm really torn by the "need Uncanny Dodge late game" thing. Legendary Proportions I can get from Octavia, I guess. But missing Transformation (or only getting it at 20 with Archeologist dip) would kinda suck.

Have Jubilost cast it for you.
 

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Well, I may bring Kalikke along for end game instead of Linzi... but not that small gnome.
 

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How can anyone stand Linzi is beyond me. If I could have done her personal quest without her, I would.

Oh and btw when does Kalikke's last quest phase trigger? I recruited them during 4th chapter so the sweet teeth questline failed as soon as forefather appeared. Im at ch6 castle of knives, their grandaddy still hasn't showed up yet. Are they gonna get fucked in HotaoT?
 

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59 CMB before TrueStrike (or 61 with Coordinated Maneuvers) -> 51 (53)
Quite a difference.
I wonder whether Brutal Beating from Thug gives penalties to CMD. It has -2 to abilities checks and this factors(?) into CMD. Reducing Vivi levels to 12 may allow you to get extra BAB from SS or Monk.

Oh and btw when does Kalikke's last quest phase trigger?
It is in ch7 right before final showdown.
 

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How can anyone stand Linzi is beyond me. If I could have done her personal quest without her, I would.

Oh and btw when does Kalikke's last quest phase trigger? I recruited them during 4th chapter so the sweet teeth questline failed as soon as forefather appeared. Im at ch6 castle of knives, their grandaddy still hasn't showed up yet. Are they gonna get fucked in HotaoT?

Well, I've warmed up to her and gotten quite fond of +3 attack/+3 damage, Good Hope +2 attacks and other stuff for everyone all the time, her multiple Hastes per day, extended by the Clockwork amulet, Invisibilities and enchantment spells as needed. Oh and aoe cure serious wounds equivalent for several song round uses. Plus she's not bad with the bow once self buffed, with song, Arcane Strike, Sneak attack dip, Multishotm, arrow quivers.
Maybe she doesn't quite deal as much damage as Ekun, but doesn't fall that far behind and offers way more utility.

+3 attack/damage is fairly unique, the rest can be done by other party members, but a limited time per day, at high opportunity cost. A real nice force multiplier.
+3 from Linzi, then +4 attack from Freebooter Amiri. That's +7 above party compositions that don't include these classes.
 
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59 CMB before TrueStrike (or 61 with Coordinated Maneuvers) -> 51 (53)
Quite a difference.
I wonder whether Brutal Beating from Thug gives penalties to CMD. It has -2 to abilities checks and this factors(?) into CMD. Reducing Vivi levels to 12 may allow you to get extra BAB from SS or Monk.

Well, I read that there's a Robe of Eyes that can provide Uncanny Dodge effect. Of course, it'd suck loosing 5 AC from Protector's Robe... but may still be worth it vs some obnoxious enemies. Still like 67 buffed AC - and about 38 Touch AC (plus Defensive Fighting & Combat Expertise if turned on).

Does Inherent bonus - like from that Gyronna's amulet, factor into Touch AC? Cause I did add it.
 
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What weapon you folk give valerie?
The best one is the flail from the Lonely Barrow.

Tyrant is kinda cute, particularly for boss encounters, but bad crit properties mean it's not good for melee combos. I prefer to giver her an 15-20 or 17-20 crit weapon - while dealing little damage herself, she enables some juicy AoO 50-80 hits and 100-200 damage crits for Amiri and my char.

Guess Retribution longsword would be very nice for her - if you can get Nazrielle to make it for you. Or Perfection for a more defensive setup.
 

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There is AI button right under stealth mode. AI is very restricted in P:K, it mostly auto-attacks or uses designated spell/ability on repeat.
Fucking AI thinks the best tactic is a headlong charge into raging infernos, assraping earthquakes, and vast oceans of blade barriers.

You assholes saw me cast that! Does it look safe to you? Do you remember the last 40 combats when I told you to hold position? No? Combat starts, and you charge into the blender like a god damned Rick & Morty episode.


Can you feel my rage?
 
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Yeah... Tell what you want about first Dragon Age but Hold Position button/mode was probably best thing there.
 

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Well, I read that there's a Robe of Eyes that can provide Uncanny Dodge effect. Of course, it'd suck loosing 5 AC from Protector's Robe... but may still be worth it vs some obnoxious enemies. Still like 67 buffed AC - and about 38 Touch AC (plus Defensive Fighting & Combat Expertise if turned on).

You can kinda outsource Uncanny Dodge with Foresight spell (lvl 9 Wiz and Druid) for immunity to flat-footed from Octavia. Extra 2 AC too.
 

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How can anyone stand Linzi is beyond me. If I could have done her personal quest without her, I would.

Oh and btw when does Kalikke's last quest phase trigger? I recruited them during 4th chapter so the sweet teeth questline failed as soon as forefather appeared. Im at ch6 castle of knives, their grandaddy still hasn't showed up yet. Are they gonna get fucked in HotaoT?

Well, I've warmed up to her and gotten quite fond of +3 attack/+3 damage, Good Hope +2 attacks and other stuff for everyone all the time, her multiple Hastes per day, extended by the Clockwork amulet, Invisibilities and enchantment spells as needed. Oh and aoe cure serious wounds equivalent for several song round uses. Plus she's not bad with the bow once self buffed, with song, Arcane Strike, Sneak attack dip, Multishot.
Maybe she doesn't quite deal as much damage as Ekun, but doesn't fall that far behind and offers way more utility.

+3 attack/damage is fairly unique, the rest can be done by other party members, but a limited time per day, at high opportunity cost. A real nice force multiplier.
+3 from Linzi, then +4 attack from Freebooter Amiri. That's +7 above party compositions that don't include these classes.
Good Hope is Bard only spell.. only way to replicate that OP spell is to have your wizards/alch/inquisitor/magus cast 6 Heroism spells (lvl 3 for wizards) which is not effective, especially not at earlier levels when you get first access to it.
I also had archer linzi in my party in my run that I finished the game with, too bad about
what happens to her at start of house, I really really missed her buffs. I used Ekun instead of her and he was less useful overall
 
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What weapon you folk give valerie?
Edict if you make her a Knife Master, Kinetic Blade if you make her any kind of Kineticist, Ravena’s Kiss if you want to smack people with Harm, Unstoppable Khanda for defense, or Redeemer for general wetwork.
 

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Does anyone know if Amiri's over-sized Bastard Sword gets better or can you find more of that kind? Because otherwise getting weapon focus for those was a colossal waste.
It does get better and you can find another good one in the game. But both of them are rather late, one from her quest is decent but not spectacular and second is easily lost due to RP choice.

I prefer to spec her out of them, usually for Greataxe or Fauchard.
 

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Yeah... Tell what you want about first Dragon Age but Hold Position button/mode was probably best thing there.
Yeah. Despite their flaws, Dragon Age: Origins and Final Fantasy 12 had solid tactic systems. Which for some reason nobody can replicate. I mean, look at the horrendous tactics system in Deadfire.
 

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Does anyone know if Amiri's over-sized Bastard Sword gets better or can you find more of that kind? Because otherwise getting weapon focus for those was a colossal waste.
It does get better and you can find another good one in the game. But both of them are rather late, one from her quest is decent but not spectacular and second is easily lost due to RP choice.

I prefer to spec her out of them, usually for Greataxe or Fauchard.

Agree those are very good picks. Vanquisher is just sick. Serpent Prince can be gotten early if lucky and offers reach.

I'd say Curved Elven Swords are nice also (you can get Bane of the Living after Act III, eventually Nazrielle can make you a +4 Ghost Touch version).
 

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Does anyone know if Amiri's over-sized Bastard Sword gets better or can you find more of that kind? Because otherwise getting weapon focus for those was a colossal waste.
It does get better. But it will never be as good as Incorruptable Petal, as fun as Thundering Claw, or late game efficient as The End.
 

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Damn, I'm really torn by the "need Uncanny Dodge late game" thing. Legendary Proportions I can get from Octavia, I guess. But missing Transformation (or only getting it at 20 with Archeologist dip) would kinda suck.
Redeemer gives you Transformation 1/Day. Blessed Defense gives you Divine Power 1/Day. You can put them on weapon swap, cast both buffs, swap back and trip almost anything.
 
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Has Owlcat explained how the DLC module will interact with the main campaign? Do your decisions from the main campaign feed into the DLC? Or does the outcome of the DLC feed into the main campaign? Or both?
 

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Has Owlcat explained how the DLC module will interact with the main campaign? Do your decisions from the main campaign feed into the DLC? Or does the outcome of the DLC feed into the main campaign? Or both?

There's going to be new menu item on the main menu for the new DLC, and the decisions you make during the DLC campaign will show up in the game from the third chapter onward.

InanKyToday at 2:48 PM
I'd say - just when chapter 3 starts. It's the best storywise, but you can go and play at an any time of the game
 

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Damn, I'm really torn by the "need Uncanny Dodge late game" thing. Legendary Proportions I can get from Octavia, I guess. But missing Transformation (or only getting it at 20 with Archeologist dip) would kinda suck.
Redeemer gives you Transformation 1/Day. Blessed Defense gives you Divine Power 1/Day. You can put them on weapon swap, cast both buffs, swap back and trip almost anything.
Now there's a thought. It's not like you can perma Transform anyway (although you can extend the effect with rods) .
Well I don't think my char has longsword por shield proficiency. But an interesting alternative, thank you.
 

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If I try to add Heighten to Octavia's Scorching ray, the game's interface automatically adds Maximize as well, and I can't remove it. Wtf?
 

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