Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[ArchAngel]

This latest hotfix has more undocumented changes and bugs it seems. Time Passed now shows up everywhere and numbers it gives mean little.
I also got new kingdom project that says I need to remove penalty from pestilence and get my unrest closer to Stable but my unrest level is currently at Serene ..
Also I did my first on local map rest after the hotfix and it was first time there was 0 banter during the rest

 

[HoboForEternity]

Obsidian - good story, but shallow gameplay. Owlcat assumed they will have an edge over Obsidian in depth of world setting, character development and name recognition of writers (MCA). They consider it a big marketing success that they managed to create a false impression that Chris is the main writer.

Larian - excellent combat, but "eclectic" story. Owlcat assumed they will have an edge over Larian in depth of world setting, focus on story, and name recognition of writers.

they aren't wrong

 

[Safav Hamon]

Months ago I wrote a post about how the lead narrative designer was upset that they were intentionally misleading people into believing Chris Avellone was the head writer. He let it go after they threatened to replace him.

 

[Safav Hamon]

Have you guys tried reading the dialogue aloud? This isn't what good writing looks like.

There's also obvious grammatical errors in all of these examples.

 

[razvedchiki]

Have you actually played the game?

 

[Yosharian]

Ok Safav:

1) Amiri is the token powerful female, of course her dialogue is going to be utterly retarded. (Some might suspect it was done on purpose, but I'll leave the conspiracy theories for another conversation)
2) The Technic League dialogue isn't even that bad. That's pretty much how a snooty, arrogant aristocrat might talk. And "Listen, you tramps!" is hilarious.
3) Convenient that you're ignoring the massive incline of the available responses. Yeah the Stag Lord's dialogue isn't the best, but those responses are excellent, especially the Chaotic Evil one.

I'll take this kind of writing any day of the week over POE/POE2's pretentious, overwritten tripe, frankly.

 

[Sykar]

Should I restart my playthrough by playing through Varnholt first? Or is it fine to just play them separately?

 

[Daidre]

But it is screens from beta. There was definitely editorial pass over them before release (Kalannah dialogue looks different in game and Stug Lord probably too).

And Amiri is illiterate and stupid as brick.

 

[Sykar]

But it is screens from beta. There was definitely editorial pass over them before release (Kalannah dialog looks different in game and Stug Lord probably too).

And Amiri is illiterate and stupid as brick.

Probably the most loyal and least demanding companion though. Just let her crack enemy skulls and she is happy.

Ok Safav:

1) Amiri is the token powerful female, of course her dialogue is going to be utterly retarded. (Some might suspect it was done on purpose, but I'll leave the conspiracy theories for another conversation)
2) The Technic League dialogue isn't even that bad. That's pretty much how a snooty, arrogant aristocrat might talk. And "Listen, you tramps!" is hilarious.
3) Convenient that you're ignoring the massive incline of the available responses. Yeah the Stag Lord's dialogue isn't the best, but those responses are excellent, especially the Chaotic Evil one.

I'll take this kind of writing any day of the week over POE/POE2's pretentious, overwritten tripe, frankly.

She is not even that powerful and it is clear from her character introduction and arc that she is overcompensating her inferiority complex. Same goes for Valerie who gets humbled during her duel unless you cheese the shit out of that duel.

 

[Daidre]

Hey, I like Amiri, she is first available melee and was "smilodon with the girl" in my party for hundreds of hours.

At least, Owlcat writers have enough sense not to rape thesaurus at every paragraph like their main "competitors".

 

[Sykar]

Despite what people claim, she is not even build that badly. I would agree that it is not optimal but you really only need to swap the human +2 bonus to strength and she would be very well made for a 20 point build. Skillwise she is great and flexible thanks to the human bonus skill point per level. The bonus feat is a bit questionable since you do not find any two handed bastard swords early on, but you can focus on Cleave and survival talents until then, or specialize in any other purely two handed weapon category.
Funny enough she can serve as a decent second tank if you go for Guarded Stance, wear the best medium armor and shield, get dexterity to 14 and chose AC talents. Heck here you can even go with bastard sword specialization and switch between her giant sword and sword and board depending on circumstances.

 

[Daidre]

I was perfectly ok using her as she is when game seemed too unstable to mod. I really liked her as 1 Barb/3 Sacred Huntmaster/16 Ranger, but I specced her out of Barbarian only because Valerie is Atheist and locked out of classes with clerical spellcasting and I always want one pet with team feats.

Now with Respec I just make her Mad Dog (+3 SH, +1 Thug) and only thing I change statwise is moving Human Bonus to STR.

 

[Commissar Draco]

Despite what people claim, she is not even build that badly. I would agree that it is not optimal but you really only need to swap the human +2 bonus to strength and she would be very well made for a 20 point build. Skillwise she is great and flexible thanks to the human bonus skill point per level. The bonus feat is a bit questionable since you do not find any two handed bastard swords early on, but you can focus on Cleave and survival talents until then, or specialize in any other purely two handed weapon category.
Funny enough she can serve as a decent second tank if you go for Guarded Stance, wear the best medium armor and shield, get dexterity to 14 and chose AC talents. Heck here you can even go with bastard sword specialization and switch between her giant sword and sword and board depending on circumstances.

To be honest I thought that her using over sized bastard sword instead of 2 Hander or Great Axe was a jab at her being token stronk independent wombyn who needs no man. I editet her to get her level one and trained her with two handers instead she is indeed lot less whiny and loyal beast when you put her in proper place. You either give us companions at level one in party based game or build them properly so its not even cheating. The rest of dialogues are not that bad I was surprised that they add so much for followers of deities and so little for class and races to be honest but game is massive as it now and if they added more depth it would be never finished.

 

[Yosharian]

But it is screens from beta. There was definitely editorial pass over them before release (Kalannah dialog looks different in game and Stug Lord probably too).

And Amiri is illiterate and stupid as brick.

Probably the most loyal and least demanding companion though. Just let her crack enemy skulls and she is happy.

Ok Safav:

1) Amiri is the token powerful female, of course her dialogue is going to be utterly retarded. (Some might suspect it was done on purpose, but I'll leave the conspiracy theories for another conversation)
2) The Technic League dialogue isn't even that bad. That's pretty much how a snooty, arrogant aristocrat might talk. And "Listen, you tramps!" is hilarious.
3) Convenient that you're ignoring the massive incline of the available responses. Yeah the Stag Lord's dialogue isn't the best, but those responses are excellent, especially the Chaotic Evil one.

I'll take this kind of writing any day of the week over POE/POE2's pretentious, overwritten tripe, frankly.

She is not even that powerful and it is clear from her character introduction and arc that she is overcompensating her inferiority complex. Same goes for Valerie who gets humbled during her duel unless you cheese the shit out of that duel.

Yeah I buffed the shit out of her and she still lost horribly haha. Probably would have gone differently if I'd waited till I'd gotten Displacement.

 

[Yosharian]

To be honest I thought that her using over sized bastard sword instead of 2 Hander or Great Axe was a jab at her being token stronk independent wombyn who needs no man. I editet her to get her level one and trained her with two handers instead she is indeed lot less whiny and loyal beast when you put her in proper place. You either give us companions at level one in party based game or build them properly so its not even cheating. The rest of dialogues are not that bad I was surprised that they add so much for followers of deities and so little for class and races to be honest but game is massive as it now and if they added more depth it would be never finished.

Sawyer would like a word with you

 

[axedice]

Amiri's personal quest had the most suprising twist actually. Unlike some certain fag, she had no reason to lie to you (and the rest of the world) at all, yet she still did. It turns out she's not a stronk independent womyn but a stupid fucking liar cunt of a thief who got her whole tribe into trouble just so she could "pose" as one. It really was a refreshing reveal.

 

[Haplo]

Despite what people claim, she is not even build that badly. I would agree that it is not optimal but you really only need to swap the human +2 bonus to strength and she would be very well made for a 20 point build. Skillwise she is great and flexible thanks to the human bonus skill point per level. The bonus feat is a bit questionable since you do not find any two handed bastard swords early on, but you can focus on Cleave and survival talents until then, or specialize in any other purely two handed weapon category.
Funny enough she can serve as a decent second tank if you go for Guarded Stance, wear the best medium armor and shield, get dexterity to 14 and chose AC talents. Heck here you can even go with bastard sword specialization and switch between her giant sword and sword and board depending on circumstances.

Yeah, I rather like her. She has the most flexible build, if you don't insist on sticking to her cannon barbarian class. I always take 6 levels in Freebooter Ranger ASAP and she is a great asset to my (melee heavy) parties. +4 AB that stacks with everything (and Shatter Defenses without requirements)? Yes, please.

Later on she simply owns with the Vanquisher.

 

[Child of Malkav]

So guys, what is the best healing class? I finally have enough money to buy mercs and I'm.... undecided on the matter.
Most recommendations I've seen are hospitalier paladin, cleric and druid. So which one is it?

 

[Daidre]

Channel Energy is best low-lvl AOE heal in P:K, it is replaced after by Heal/Mass Heal spells. So if you want both cleric is your best bet.

There is also 2 cleric companions in the game, one heavily Channel focused and other is not. Their spellbooks are so good that at least one is almost mandatory.

So it is cleric if you use custom party but hospitalier paladin is pretty good too as addition to non-channel focused cleric.

 

[VentilatorOfDoom]

I played without a cleric even on unfair. (except Vordakai tomb because story reasons)

 

[Daidre]

I can play without cleric healing capabilities but access to Animate Dead on lvl 5 makes or breaks unfair for me. Completely comfortable with Bard or Alchemist as my only arcane (semi) caster though.

 

[VentilatorOfDoom]

I played without a cleric even on unfair. (except Vordakai tomb because story reasons)

Then you made the game extra difficult. Which is commendable, but unnecessary. Clerics also can cast one of the best spells in the game, Blade Barrier. I killed Vordekai both instances with Harrim and Tristian casting a BB under him for the first and harrim casting heal on him to finish him off. Poor guy did not even get a chance to cast his finger of death.

I didn't have to waste lvl6 spell slots on mobs as weak as Vordakai, tbh. Left click was sufficient.

 

[Daidre]

Best spell in the game is the skeletons. Makes Unfair barely different from Hard or Challenging.

 

[VentilatorOfDoom]

I can play without cleric healing capabilities but access to Animate Dead on lvl 5 makes or breaks unfair for me. Completely comfortable with Bard or Alchemist as my only arcane (semi) caster though.

I had animate dead on arcane casters and an inquisitor for magic vestment, shield of faith etc. Though I didn't use skeletons excessively often. They usually got killed off very quickly. Perhaps you need some summoning enhancing feats to make them better on unfair?

 

[Daidre]

Afaik summoning feats do not work with skellies. But Maximize and Empower do so it is possible to get lot of them with one cast.