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deuxhero

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I really like the Storyteller. Getting the stories of the item in first person (instead of description text) with some interaction is such a simple twist on the established convention of restoring items by recovering all the parts, but the stories really make the "quests" more interesting. Even the ones that just give XP and gold or produce an item with annoying negative effect are still worth it.
We'll get back to Numeria, live as ants...
 

Desiderius

Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard
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What am I supposed to do when hit by icy prison? One of the minibosses in the depths hit me with it and I was luckily within range of the exit and had a table rest ready since some of my team could never get free and it last minutes per level.
You wish you were the one casting Icy Prison instead of them

Then you go make 5 Wizard mercs
I have always found Sorcerers to be far better than Wizards in cRPGs because you tend to use the same few spells over and over again. For the less used ones, there is always scrolls.

Spontaneously casting a whole Spellbook with Mystic T turns out to be pretty sweet if not quite OP.

So which ankle are you biting this time, Deux - the sweet part or the not OP part?

Here's something just for you:

Octavia axe.jpg

Efe, I owe you an apology. After eating an Icy Prison, Mass I built pure caster Octavia again, this time where I could see all the spells and yeah, if some dude were touting a build that would never let me cast that spell my first reaction would be "What a waste" exactly. Shortly thereafter I'd get bored and build dual-wielding axe Octavia but I cede your point.
 
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Desiderius

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So that sniper was feeling so busted because Studied Target is now stacking with itself. Must be an artifact of the multiple Freebooters now stacking change which is itself a headscratcher.

Hammer the Gap times a bazillion.
 

Cael

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Theurge is useless since you're two spell levels behind a pure caster of either type and can't wear armor.
Really? I have 3.5 players screaming that the 3.5 Mystic Theurge is overpowered and that one means you are 3 levels behind in both classes.
 

Desiderius

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Theurge is useless since you're two spell levels behind a pure caster of either type and can't wear armor.
Really? I have 3.5 players screaming that the 3.5 Mystic Theurge is overpowered and that one means you are 3 levels behind in both classes.

Deux doesn’t like Bards and the like so he’s pretty much priced in to broken spells and solo builds.

It’s the InEffect Effect.
 

Desiderius

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Hap, you can qualify for Double Debilitation via non-Rogue classes that get talents (like Slayer) but you don’t get the full -8/-8 version like you do with Rogue 10. Really matters if you’re on Combat Maneuvers.
 

Damned Registrations

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Theurge is useless since you're two spell levels behind a pure caster of either type and can't wear armor.
Even if one of the classes only had access to one spell of each level it'd still be a bargain just for the summoned monster spam. It's powerful it's just obnoxious managing a ton of spells.
 

Desiderius

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Theurge is useless since you're two spell levels behind a pure caster of either type and can't wear armor.
Even if one of the classes only had access to one spell of each level it'd still be a bargain just for the summoned monster spam. It's powerful it's just obnoxious managing a ton of spells.

There are a lot of unusual things that can be done with it. Unfortunately Alchemist Infusions are not Arcane or there’d be many more.
 
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https://www.nexusmods.com/pathfinderkingmaker/mods/142?tab=description

HI OK I MAKE ARMOUR FOR A LIVEING AND THE ARMOUR IN THIS GAME WAS DONE BY SOMEBODY THAT DID NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ARMOUR I HAVE FIXED THIS THE ARMOUR NOW HAS REAL WEIGHT MORE CORRECT AC AND DEX BOUNUS IT MADE ME ANGRY HOW BAD THEY GOT HOW REAL ARMOUR WORKS A TOWER SHIELD CAN HOLD OFF UP TO 6 PEPOL I KNOW I HAVE DONE IT IN TRAINING ARMOUR HALF PLATE IS ONE OF THE BEST ARMOURS FOR MOVEMENT FULL PLATE PROTECTS YOU FROM LITRALY EVERYTHING A BREAST PLATE ALONE IS LIGHT EVEN LEATHER AND CHAINMAIL HAVE ALL BEEN CORRECTED I HAVE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT THE ARMOUR LAYERS I HOPE YOU HAVE FUN WITH REAL ARMOUR VALUES NOW

BLOBERT Is this your mod?
 

deuxhero

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Theurge is useless since you're two spell levels behind a pure caster of either type and can't wear armor.
Really? I have 3.5 players screaming that the 3.5 Mystic Theurge is overpowered and that one means you are 3 levels behind in both classes.

Either your players are really bad at evaluating options, or you're misunderstanding a way to make it broken (like using it to advance Ur Priest casting) as it being broken in general.
 

Cael

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Theurge is useless since you're two spell levels behind a pure caster of either type and can't wear armor.
Really? I have 3.5 players screaming that the 3.5 Mystic Theurge is overpowered and that one means you are 3 levels behind in both classes.

Either your players are really bad at evaluating options, or you're misunderstanding a way to make it broken (like using it to advance Ur Priest casting) as it being broken in general.
They were crying that at level 20, assuming an even mix of classes, the MT gave the character 15/15 casting instead of 10/10 as is "normal".
 

deuxhero

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Theurge is useless since you're two spell levels behind a pure caster of either type and can't wear armor.
Really? I have 3.5 players screaming that the 3.5 Mystic Theurge is overpowered and that one means you are 3 levels behind in both classes.

Deux doesn’t like Bards and the like so he’s pretty much priced in to broken spells and solo builds.

It’s the InEffect Effect.

Bards get stuff other than spells, and get discounted spell levels/exclusivity on several spells. Mystic Theurge gets nothing but mildly better flexibility, certainly nothing to make up for the fact it's behind three character levels, doesn't get class features from the base class (some cleric domains are quite good), requires two high attributes and is screwed even more end-game (What does a Theurge do at level 17+?).
 

ArchAngel

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Theurge is useless since you're two spell levels behind a pure caster of either type and can't wear armor.
Really? I have 3.5 players screaming that the 3.5 Mystic Theurge is overpowered and that one means you are 3 levels behind in both classes.

Either your players are really bad at evaluating options, or you're misunderstanding a way to make it broken (like using it to advance Ur Priest casting) as it being broken in general.
They were crying that at level 20, assuming an even mix of classes, the MT gave the character 15/15 casting instead of 10/10 as is "normal".
It does not surprise me that a Dumbfuck has dumbfuck friends..
 

purpleblob

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For Beneath the Stolen Lands in the main campaign, how do you find all the items you need for the "true ending"?

Do you still need to obtain 4 unique items before killing each mini boss or can I find all items hidden in secret doors? Seeing that I can go back to previous floors, I'm hoping I just need to go back and pass perception checks to get all items I need to confront the dragon
 

Desiderius

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For Beneath the Stolen Lands in the main campaign, how do you find all the items you need for the "true ending"?

Do you still need to obtain 4 unique items before killing each mini boss or can I find all items hidden in secret doors? Seeing that I can go back to previous floors, I'm hoping I just need to go back and pass perception checks to get all items I need to confront the dragon

I made sure to have all four of the bosses’ items before killing each boss. The further down you get the more the itemization becomes a joke so it’s hard to get motivated.

The Holy Hooked Hammer is pretty sweet though. Vordokai wants no part of that.
 

Desiderius

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Theurge is useless since you're two spell levels behind a pure caster of either type and can't wear armor.
Really? I have 3.5 players screaming that the 3.5 Mystic Theurge is overpowered and that one means you are 3 levels behind in both classes.

Either your players are really bad at evaluating options, or you're misunderstanding a way to make it broken (like using it to advance Ur Priest casting) as it being broken in general.
They were crying that at level 20, assuming an even mix of classes, the MT gave the character 15/15 casting instead of 10/10 as is "normal".
It does not surprise me that a Dumbfuck has dumbfuck friends..

If you don’t think that 17/17 casting is powerful then it’s not Cael and Co. who are the dumbfucks. If you want to be an ass, stick to things you know. Works better for everyone.

Best use I’ve found is combining a Magus class with a Cleric/Druid Spellbook so you can use one book for good Spellstrikes and the other for buffs/utility/offensive spells. With Theurge you can do it all.
 

ArchAngel

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17/17 casting? What are you talking about? You can do 15/15 or 13/17.
 

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