Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[Delterius]

plus 1 lvl monk splash

thats yer answer to everything

 

[Pink Eye]

plus 1 lvl monk splash

thats yer answer to everything

Jesus Unchained monk is OP.....

 

[Haplo]

So waht if its full action,you cast once and then melee.

Perhaps if you solo...

In a party in turn based mode, by the time you take position, then use another full round to activate the ability, most of the enemies are already dead...

 

[Yosharian]

Monk was already pretty good but unchained is awesome sauce

 

[Desiderius]

harrim cant tank and his heals are far inferior than tristians.

:O
*AHEM*
I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE!
Give Harrim a fauchard, or longspear, get outflank. Later throw a +4 or +6 belt to qualify him for combat reflexes. Then watch as he becomes useful by procing outflank. There are other ways to build him too. In my last Unfair Playthrough, I built him as a mystic theurge, I ended up liking it a lot! He got access to so many buffs and spells! You can also build him as a full cleric with one level dip into fighter, but that doesn't sound very exciting..

Also Harrim or Tristian shouldn't be on front lines tanking...

Harrim’s fine tanking Soul Eaters and Giants. Not so much Spiders and Owlbears.

 

[Desiderius]

So waht if its full action,you cast once and then melee.

If you open with it from Stealth, this does actually work. Bonus points if you’ve got Linzi/Val Displaying her Thuglife tats. Nobody wants to see that.

 

[panda]

I liked Dueling Swords on Valerie in my last run for... an extremely unethically acquired Bloodhound in early ch 2.

Bloodhound should have stacking bonus damage, right?

 

[ArchAngel]

I am not sure how stealth and TB mod works together. I scout ahead with a stealth character and click attack on enemy. Game goes into surprise round thing, my stealth person is no longer in stealth and enemies also roll initiative..

 

[Pink Eye]

Monk was already pretty good but unchained is awesome sauce

Monk is bad. Unchianed monk is less bad. But that is from th epoint of view of me, who thinks that all martials are third-tier and below.

I was playing monk in Baldur's Gate 1, it felt awful....

 

[Desiderius]

Valerie is a fantastic tank until the touch attacks come in. And those are so late that you shouldn't care. Valerie has 40 unbuffed AC at level 10 if you make her a defender. She has fantastic HP so she can stand while being hit, and hit you will be.

She had a Mirror Image get hit here and there on my Lawful playthrough. Linzi currently playing that role with Cautious Fighter and Reduce Person.

 

[Haplo]

Monk was already pretty good but unchained is awesome sauce

Monk is bad. Unchianed monk is less bad. But that is from th epoint of view of me, who thinks that all martials are third-tier and below.

I was playing monk in Baldur's Gate 1, it felt awful....

Martials had little to do in BG overall. Now there are at least Combat Maneuvers, Teamwork feats and some active feats / features.

 

[Daidre]

Bloodhound should have stacking bonus damage, right?

Stacking part never worked when I tried to check it. But it is still +5 Speed sword with extended crit range that stacks with Impoved Critical for 15-20.

 

[panda]

Bloodhound should have stacking bonus damage, right?

Stacking part never worked when I tried to check it. But it is still +5 Speed sword with extended crit range that stacks with Impoved Critical for 15-20.

Same for me. I feel like it is one of best weapons for Val if you take Dex from her quest and lvl ups, and stacking should've helped with her dmg problem, but no luck here.

 

[Yosharian]

Monk was already pretty good but unchained is awesome sauce

Monk is bad. Unchained monk is less bad. But that is from the point of view of me, who thinks that all martials are third-tier and below.

Actual free top-BAB attack when using monk weapon... free feat... full BAB progression...

Unchained Monk is boss.

 

[Yosharian]

Monk was already pretty good but unchained is awesome sauce

Monk is bad. Unchained monk is less bad. But that is from the point of view of me, who thinks that all martials are third-tier and below.

Actual free top-BAB attack when using monk weapon... free feat... full BAB progression...

Unchained Monk is boss.

I think all martials suck in D&D. All. Of. Them. In cRPGS martial combat has way too much weight so you need someone to do the dirty work. Also, cRPGs tend to weaken casters; because if you had all the spells actually available to the wizard, then that would make everything else unnecessary after level 5.

Eh I don't think it's always weak to dip 1 level to get all those bonuses. And unchained makes it so much more effective to dip.

Yes casters > all but sometimes a dip gives you dramatically more than you lose, especially if your goal is not merely to cast spells.

My MC multiclass has insane saves, AC, etc...

 

[ArchAngel]

Monk was already pretty good but unchained is awesome sauce

Monk is bad. Unchained monk is less bad. But that is from the point of view of me, who thinks that all martials are third-tier and below.

Actual free top-BAB attack when using monk weapon... free feat... full BAB progression...

Unchained Monk is boss.

I need to try a run with 4 monks, each of different kind

 

[Yosharian]

Monk was already pretty good but unchained is awesome sauce

Monk is bad. Unchained monk is less bad. But that is from the point of view of me, who thinks that all martials are third-tier and below.

Actual free top-BAB attack when using monk weapon... free feat... full BAB progression...

Unchained Monk is boss.

I need to try a run with 4 monks, each of different kind

I mean the free attack at full BAB alone is insane. But you only get a limited number of good kamas early on so

 

[ArchAngel]

Monk was already pretty good but unchained is awesome sauce

Monk is bad. Unchained monk is less bad. But that is from the point of view of me, who thinks that all martials are third-tier and below.

Actual free top-BAB attack when using monk weapon... free feat... full BAB progression...

Unchained Monk is boss.

I need to try a run with 4 monks, each of different kind

I mean the free attack at full BAB alone is insane. But you only get a limited number of good kamas early on so

Does not matter, I can use unarmed with the rest. The biggest problem in this would be healing.

 

[Desiderius]

Monk was already pretty good but unchained is awesome sauce

Monk is bad. Unchained monk is less bad. But that is from the point of view of me, who thinks that all martials are third-tier and below.

Actual free top-BAB attack when using monk weapon... free feat... full BAB progression...

Unchained Monk is boss.

I need to try a run with 4 monks, each of different kind

I mean the free attack at full BAB alone is insane. But you only get a limited number of good kamas early on so

You're getting the artisan ones, right? Free blind is pretty nice.

 

[Yosharian]

Well certain Cleric domains grant an insane amount of healing per rest sooo

 

[Yosharian]

You're getting the artisan ones, right? Free blind is pretty nice.

Uh

What

 

[Pink Eye]

Monk was already pretty good but unchained is awesome sauce

Monk is bad. Unchained monk is less bad. But that is from the point of view of me, who thinks that all martials are third-tier and below.

Actual free top-BAB attack when using monk weapon... free feat... full BAB progression...

Unchained Monk is boss.

I need to try a run with 4 monks, each of different kind

I mean the free attack at full BAB alone is insane. But you only get a limited number of good kamas early on so

Does not matter, I can use unarmed with the rest. The biggest problem in this would be healing.

If you kill something fast enough, then you minimize the amount of damage they can do to you. Just auto attack them to death! :D

 

[razvedchiki]

κ i will keep valerie probably for dazzling display,which creatures are immune to it?i guess undead/constructs etc?
also is it usefull in hard difficulty?

 

[ArchAngel]

Fun thing about TB mod and low level combat is that you can (ab)use a little change of rules that Owlcat did for this game: using potions is a move action that does not provoke AoO. Until you get more than one attack you can easily use one potion per round to heal and attack once. Something my tanking paladin used a lot in some battles. Potion (move) + lay on hands self (swift) lets him heal all damage received from enemy attacks in previous round
You can also use two healing potions per round if you so wish.

 

[Desiderius]

Monk was already pretty good but unchained is awesome sauce

Monk is bad. Unchianed monk is less bad. But that is from th epoint of view of me, who thinks that all martials are third-tier and below.

I was playing monk in Baldur's Gate 1, it felt awful....

Martials had little to do in BG overall. Now there are at least Combat Maneuvers, Teamwork feats and some active feats / features.

Given all the different factors in play a well-integrated and supported group of martials (often supporting one another) ends up being the smoothest overall experience.

Even Kit will enjoy it I think if he ever tries it.