Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[Desiderius]

Yeah it's a complete mystery how I build my support bard

Bards don't have any inherent bonuses to AC so they're not particularly good at tanking. Of course you can throw OP buffs on any character from mid-late, but that doesn't make them effective tanks when you're up against touch attackers. And of course Mirror Image can help you get through fights, but relying on it leads to constant resting which I don't think is fun.

OP buffs? Barkskin is OP? She's wearing Ekun's armor which is smart play because its a great light armor for melee and Ekun doesn't need it. Of course you run to touch attackers when you have no other argument. The vast majority of the game that's a non-issue. By the time you get to them you can just summon spam or whatever. Touch attackers also happen to be uniquely vulnerable to Linzi's high level Sonic spells - if she's in position to cast them.

Linzi's Mirror Image in that pic has 21 minutes left. It's a second level spell, she has more. You don't know what you're talking about. Just admit it.

I'm not referring to the duration of Mirror Image, but the frequency of needing to refresh it when you rely upon it.

An effective tank only gets hit on 20s, and has all-round good saves, preferably.

Not if you kill shit fast and disable it with your Bard who is on the front line like she should be to make that happen. I'm telling you she doesn't have to refresh it. She (and everybody else) has Shake it Off which is +4 to all saves. Baked Spider Legs is another +3 Fort. I think her Fort was + 21 for that fight.

 

[Yosharian]

Yeah those zombie lords don't have high AB.

I don't recall precisely but I'm pretty sure Vordakai's dungeon is easy. There's like one guy in there that caused me some trouble and that was only because he kept casting Finger of Death on my weakest Fort-save character and I hadn't got Death Ward memorized.

 

[Desiderius]

Yeah those zombie lords don't have high AB.

I don't recall precisely but I'm pretty sure Vordakai's dungeon is easy. There's like one guy in there that caused me some trouble and that was only because he kept casting Finger of Death on my weakest Fort-save character and I hadn't got Death Ward memorized.

I got cocky and a Greater Zombie obliterated Okbo (I usually summon tank those). There are some tight spots, it's no picnic. 5 or 6 Spectres by Gunderson, the solo Soul Eater fights followed by ambush.

Vordokai casts Finger unless you can chain interrupt him like this:

Linzi and Harrim about to add insult to injury but then Tristian showed up.

 

[LannTheStupid]

I'm just a little cautious about stuff which gets too much praise here.

I dare say this is one of the rare places where praise is earned. Regarding computer games this is probably the only place where praise means anything.

 

[Yosharian]

Nah Vordakai didn't get to cast shit, he died too quickly. It was the guy in the other room who I couldn't prevent casting FoD.

 

[Desiderius]

Nah Vordakai didn't get to cast shit, he died too quickly. It was the guy in the other room who I couldn't prevent casting FoD.

Cephal? Ironically it's Image that gives him the opening unless you Trip him to open the fight like Okbo did before he got whacked upside the head.

 

[Desiderius]

Does anyone have any experience with the Rogue capstone? Debating whether to go ES 20 or try for 16 BAB to get to extra attack.

 

[Pink Eye]

Looks like Eldritch Scoundrel is starting to ramp up. Level 7 by the way.

 

[Zboj Lamignat]

You guys seem to be very emotional about your character building.

I finished Varnhold's. It's very gud and really feels like something taken straight out of BG2, good encounters, loot and hits the sweet spot with the level range. I had one minor and one bigger gripe - all the completely pointless trash loot in the final dungeon and the final boss being kinda meh.

There's a pop up message saying that the main campaign will now be extended, but starting a new game doesn't ask for a save import or anything. Does this part work or is it bugged?

 

[Pink Eye]

You guys seem to be very emotional about your character building.

I finished Varnhold's. It's very gud and really feels like something taken straight out of BG2, good encounters, loot and hits the sweet spot with the level range. I had one minor and one bigger gripe - all the completely pointless trash loot in the final dungeon and the final boss being kinda meh.

There's a pop up message saying that the main campaign will now be extended, but starting a new game doesn't ask for a save import or anything. Does this part work or is it bugged?

Once you get to a certain chapter in the main game. You will be asked to import a save from the DLC.
also
>You guys seem to be very emotional about your character building.
Ya. Character building is a big deal for these types of games.

 

[Yosharian]

I'm perfectly calm, not emotional at all

 

[Yosharian]

Calmer than you are Pink Eye

 

[Pink Eye]

Calmer than you are Pink Eye

Loool.

 

[Desiderius]

Any advice on best last four levels for ES 16 main? Using +4 sacred DEX +5 Holy Bow, Deadly Aim, Arcane Strike, Double Debilitating, no Shatter. Hurricane, Reduce, Vitals. Pits, Summons, Buffs.

 

[Daidre]

Any advice on best last four levels for ES 16 main? Using +4 sacred DEX +5 Holy Bow, Deadly Aim, Arcane Strike, Double Debilitating, no Shatter. Hurricane, Reduce, Vitals. Pits, Summons, Buffs.

I took 2 Paladin levels - Sacred Hunter was starting class for fast Presice Shot access. So not your case.
And 2 Eldritch Archer levels for extra attack and ranged spellstrike.
I ended up with 2 Sacred Hunter, 16 Eldritch Scoundrel, 2 Eldritch Archer.

 

[Shadenuat]

meh, using thief/wizard from BG2 as archer is meh when you can do melee assasin things.

 

[Desiderius]

meh, using thief/wizard from BG2 as archer is meh when you can do melee assasin things.

It’s not meh. Every turn with a move action is a turn without a full attack. Ranged can acquire new targets mid-full attack. Watch your combat log.

Wiz gets Hurricane, Vitals, Displacement, Pit spells (only Arcane caster), Greater Dispel + Elf racial.

 

[Desiderius]

Any advice on best last four levels for ES 16 main? Using +4 sacred DEX +5 Holy Bow, Deadly Aim, Arcane Strike, Double Debilitating, no Shatter. Hurricane, Reduce, Vitals. Pits, Summons, Buffs.

I took 2 Paladin levels - Sacred Hunter was starting class for fast Presice Shot access. So not your case.
And 2 Eldritch Archer levels for extra attack and ranged spellstrike.
I ended up with 2 Sacred Hunter, 16 Eldritch Scoundrel, 2 Eldritch Archer.

This is LN playthrough so no Pal. If I go full BAB I get another attack anyway, so EA is unappealing, although Spellstriking Spit Venom wand is tempting, with Double Debilitation and Sacred DEX shouldn’t need the help to hit.

 

[Shadenuat]

not fun.

 

[Desiderius]

not fun.

More fun than Surprise Spells. I've been told I'll get all the fun I can handle once I get back to Hate House.

 

[Shadenuat]

how does magic part of ES benefit your shooting in comparison to other archer classes, and your party anyway?

 

[Desiderius]

how does magic part of ES benefit your shooting in comparison to other archer classes, and your party anyway?

Vitals + Hurricane, plus I add Pit Spells (and Icy Prison) to shore up my anti-Reflex arsenal since I've got Jub instead of Octavia. Free Spell Pen from Elf Racial. Testing Arcane Strike. Lvl/2 to Perception, although that's bugged from Respec.

Ton of Bricks and well-rounded so far. I'm satisfied.

 

[Shadenuat]

Yeah I guess if you don't have good caster in party it makes some sense, I used ES as rogue and cc in Varnhold where you lose rogue and wizard.
I'd say you're just a worse Octavia though, in terms of high potential anyway.

Arcane Strike is a mystary to me, tested it many times, no idea how it works between combats/rounds/actions.

 

[Desiderius]

Yeah I guess if you don't have good caster in party it makes some sense, I used ES as rogue and cc in Varnhold where you lose rogue and wizard.
I'd say you're just a worse Octavia though, in terms of high potential anyway.

Arcane Strike is a mystary to me, tested it many times, no idea how it works between combats/rounds/actions.

Hard to tell on Strike, seems decent if your Swift is free - better Accomplished.

I've played Octavia extensively. Game is highly multi-dimensional so not sure what worse means. Elf beats Half-Elf for starters. Really like Trapfinding and Double Debilitation. Traditional Octavia build is a BAB nightmare, this is comparable to my R4 AT 10 Octavia - better BAB, slightly fewer Sneaks, can equip Longbow (Elf), doesn't get to high end spells.

Obv full Arcane Caster can outspike anybody, but I'm not really hurting for spikes.

 

[Trashos]

I am in Vordakai's Tomb take 2 (ie, after reloading, getting back to the capital, getting Harrim, diamonds and rations). I wouldn't be surprised if I am in love with this dungeon in the future with more experience. But right now...holy shit...