Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[ArchAngel]

I am in Vordakai's Tomb take 2 (ie, after reloading, getting back to the capital, getting Harrim, diamonds and rations). I wouldn't be surprised if I am in love with this dungeon in the future with more experience. But right now...holy shit...

A lot of peoplecasuals quit the game because of this dungeon. How did you like the one before it with dead barbarians and colored switches?

 

[Trashos]

A lot of peoplecasuals quit the game because of this dungeon. How did you like the one before it with dead barbarians and colored switches?

That was an awesome dungeon! Vordakai's Tomb is much tougher though, unless I am just not figuring out what I should be doing in the fights.

 

[Daidre]

I'd say you're just a worse Octavia though, in terms of high potential anyway.

It is a different niche - first and foremost archer rogue with archery feats and sneak attacks. Arcane casting is a cherry on top. He performs close to standard Ranger/Slayer but with more tricks up his sleeve. I treat him as Eldritch Archer with wizard spell repertoire, skill points and sneak dices and rogue talents instead of weapon enhancement. So main build is 2EA + 16ES.

 

[Daidre]

That was an awesome dungeon! Vordakai's Tomb is much tougher though, unless I am just not figuring out what I should be doing in the fights.

Stinking Cloud on everything that moves and breaths.

 

[ArchAngel]

That was an awesome dungeon! Vordakai's Tomb is much tougher though, unless I am just not figuring out what I should be doing in the fights.

Stinking Cloud on everything that moves and breaths.

emm, undead are immune to poisons :D

 

[Desiderius]

That was an awesome dungeon! Vordakai's Tomb is much tougher though, unless I am just not figuring out what I should be doing in the fights.

Stinking Cloud on everything that moves and breaths.

Cloud abuse is why InEffect has such an incomplete grasp of the game. Just say no.

 

[Desiderius]

I'd say you're just a worse Octavia though, in terms of high potential anyway.

It is a different niche - first and foremost archer rogue with archery feats and sneak attacks. Arcane casting is a cherry on top. He performs close to standard Ranger/Slayer but with more tricks up his sleeve. I treat him as Eldritch Archer with wizard spell repertoire, skill points and sneak dices and rogue talents instead of weapon enhancement. So main build is 2EA + 16ES.

So does Capstone not proc on Ghosts and Hunt?

 

[Daidre]

emm, undead are immune to poisons

Nastiest set-pieces there are fey and they have a bad fort.

I am bad at reading and mixed Varnhold's Lot dungeon with Vord Tomb.

 

[Desiderius]

A lot of peoplecasuals quit the game because of this dungeon. How did you like the one before it with dead barbarians and colored switches?

That was an awesome dungeon! Vordakai's Tomb is much tougher though, unless I am just not figuring out what I should be doing in the fights.

Slow, Curse Bombs, Blind, target Reflex, Summon tank.

Eaters are Demons, not undead, so can be Shaken, Feared, etc...

Death Ward vs. Spectres.

 

[Desiderius]

emm, undead are immune to poisons

Nastiest set-pieces there are fey and they have a bad fort.

Delay Poison is Immunity, not Delay tho, which makes it cheese.

 

[ArchAngel]

emm, undead are immune to poisons

Nastiest set-pieces there are fey and they have a bad fort.

I am trying to remember fey in vordekai dungeon and I don't remember any.. are we talking about the same one?!

 

[Daidre]

Nastiest set-pieces there are fey and they have a bad fort.

I am bad at reading and mixed Varnhold's Lot dungeon with Vord Tomb.

 

[ArchAngel]

emm, undead are immune to poisons

Nastiest set-pieces there are fey and they have a bad fort.

Delay Poison is Immunity, not Delay tho, which makes it cheese.

Actually it is working as intended. In PnP if the duration of Delay Poison lasts longer than duration of poison nothing happens to you. Shit happens only if someone dispels Delay Poison..

 

[Desiderius]

Actually it is working as intended. In PnP if the duration of Delay Poison lasts longer than duration of poison nothing happens to you. Shit happens only if someone dispels Delay Poison..

Which is stupid. Neutralize Poison is higher lvl spell which does nothing then. I mean, I don't really want them to fix it, I just don't use Cloud because it's stupid. Even Sirocco you've got to stay out of the AoE.

 

[ArchAngel]

Actually it is working as intended. In PnP if the duration of Delay Poison lasts longer than duration of poison nothing happens to you. Shit happens only if someone dispels Delay Poison..

Which is stupid. Neutralize Poison is higher lvl spell which does nothing then. I mean, I don't really want them to fix it, I just don't use Cloud because it's stupid. Even Sirocco you've got to stay out of the AoE.

It helps those already poisoned. Also some poisons in PnP can last much longer than few rounds. It is just that those don't exist in this game but they implemented Delay Poison almost like in PnP.

EDIT: It is one of those quirks of the game. Kind of like how in BG2 you could remove enemy Mirror Image or Stone skin with magic missile.

 

[Trashos]

Yeah, I am using death ward, but my trouble is that my tanks cannot contain their fighters (those ancient cyclops sth). Val is AC 42, but it is not enough. Their fighters permakill everyone in my party. The result is that I am just dependent on reloading and dice rolls.

Point taken for using spells like Fear, but then I will probably have to be sleeping every couple of fights to replenish.

For the time being I don't use summons. I hate summons, they fuck up the balance in every game they exist. I will only use summons if I don't figure out any other decent way of coping.

 

[ArchAngel]

Yeah, I am using death ward, but my trouble is that my tanks cannot contain their fighters (those ancient cyclops sth). Val is AC 42, but it is not enough. Their fighters permakill everyone in my party. The result is that I am just dependent on reloading and dice rolls.

Point taken for using spells like Fear, but then I will probably have to be sleeping every couple of fights to replenish.

For the time being I don't use summons. I hate summons, they fuck up the balance in every game they exist. I will only use summons if I don't figure out any other decent way of coping.

Those big guys are big and clumsy . Attack their reflex save with your spells. Fear will not work on them but Slow might.
Also cast Displacement or Greater Invisibility on Val and she will tank much better. Stoneskin as well.

 

[Desiderius]

Yeah, I am using death ward, but my trouble is that my tanks cannot contain their fighters (those ancient cyclops sth). Val is AC 42, but it is not enough. Their fighters permakill everyone in my party. The result is that I am just dependent on reloading and dice rolls.

Point taken for using spells like Fear, but then I will probably have to be sleeping every couple of fights to replenish.

For the time being I don't use summons. I hate summons, they fuck up the balance in every game they exist. I will only use summons if I don't figure out any other decent way of coping.

42 is pretty low for that stage. If I’ve got Linzi at 46 and Okbo at 52, you should be able to get Val higher than that.

There are several items that give you boosts specifically vs Giants or Undead as well. But Slow/difficult terrain is also prudent.

Hargulka lesson was that there are things that are not readily tanked in this game. Vordokai is the consequence of not learning that lesson. Corollary: summons aren’t always cheese. They’re not even very good vs Zombie Giants due to Great Cleave and Cleaving Finish.

Secret weapon = Tanglefoot Bomb.

 

[Desiderius]

Yeah, I am using death ward, but my trouble is that my tanks cannot contain their fighters (those ancient cyclops sth). Val is AC 42, but it is not enough. Their fighters permakill everyone in my party. The result is that I am just dependent on reloading and dice rolls.

Point taken for using spells like Fear, but then I will probably have to be sleeping every couple of fights to replenish.

For the time being I don't use summons. I hate summons, they fuck up the balance in every game they exist. I will only use summons if I don't figure out any other decent way of coping.

Those big guys are big and clumsy . Attack their reflex save with your spells. Fear will not work on them but Slow might.
Also cast Displacement or Greater Invisibility on Val and she will tank much better. Stoneskin as well.

Fear (and more importantly Shaken) works on Demons, as does Death Ward on the big ones if you want to fight them. Ward doesn’t work on Soul Eaters but Fear does. Since you only need it in one place resting to recharge isn’t an issue. Only place you really need Death Ward is against Spectres near Gunderson (only on a couple melee really) and final fight vs Vord if you can’t interrupt him.

 

[Trashos]

I am not sure if Jub has tanglefoot bomb yet (I am lvl 11), but he is not with me.

You may be right about Val's AC, but still I have loaded her with all AC gear that I have found and stack. Undoubtedly, an expert would have done her build better, but it is not like she had major problems till this point. She was tanking almost everything. Hargulka was one of the exceptions, but he was just one boss guy I could focus debuffing on. Now it is 3-5 untankable fighters every next room.

I thought that death ward should work against the cyclops priests' negative energy too?

I will try the spell unloading method. It is a bit humiliating that I will have to sleep after every 1-2 fights, but at least I hope it works.

 

[Trashos]

Yes, I have one undead bane and one giant bane weapon, but they are both 2 handers. So Jaethal is wielding one of them, and that's it. Amiri is not with me.

 

[Desiderius]

I am not sure if Jub has tanglefoot bomb yet (I am lvl 11), but he is not with me.

You may be right about Val's AC, but still I have loaded her with all AC gear that I have found and stack. Undoubtedly, an expert would have done her build better, but it is not like she had major problems till this point. She was tanking almost everything. Hargulka was one of the exceptions, but he was just one boss guy I could focus debuffing on. Now it is 3-5 untankable fighters every next room.

I thought that death ward should work against the cyclops priests' negative energy too?

I will try the spell unloading method. It is a bit humiliating that I will have to sleep after every 1-2 fights, but at least I hope it works.

No reason to rest nearly that much. Linzi should have several casts of Slow - only need one per battle. Neg energy isn’t much damage, should be killing before that’s an issue.

Anti-Giant:

Giantslayer’s Clasp
Dorf Relic Helm
Dwarven Helm from Depths 2
Harrim’s Racial
Giant Bane one hander and two hander

Undead

Second Execution
Undertaker’s Gloves
Giant Bane Hammer is also + AC vs Undead

That’s off of the top of my head. I’m sure there’s more.

42 AC isn’t about the build, it’s about using the tools already at your disposal.

 

[Sykar]

Anyone ever played a wizard with necromancy specialization? Does it perform well compared to Conjuration for example?

 

[Pink Eye]

Anyone ever played a wizard with necromancy specialization? Does it perform well compared to Conjuration for example?

The necromancy school has some good debuffs and crowd control. However, the game does not have all the spells from pen and paper. Bestow curse, blindness, wail of the banshee, and all of the other high level necromancy spells are all good. The problem with the school is that there really isn't enough early level spells to get you by. So you will have to branch out and get spells from the other schools.

 

[Pink Eye]

Eldritch Scoundrel doing work it seems. Level 8 by the way.