Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[John Keel]

Bah Im gonna play but at first I wanted to create some custom powerful miniboss for the DLC based on design by comitee, but my trustee Pink Eye helps me, shame on you

 

[Shadenuat]

I'm disappoint in you Codexia, I pull some livestream monocled modding on demand, no ones shows up

I watched like two minutes of a wall of code.

Wait, what monster do you want to be? We're thinking of adding you as a female hellkinght.

do proceed.

 

[Shadenuat]

Bah Im gonna play but at first I wanted to create some custom powerful miniboss for the DLC based on design by comitee, but my trustee Pink Eye helps me, shame on you

Good boss fights in IE-like games involve parties.

You got Shadenaut the troll and Desiderya the hell waifu (needs a backstory of their difficult relationship). Now only to add little Haplok hobbit with 700 damage crits (who ironically would be highest level member of the group with oversized Oversized bastard.) + some caster and trash mobs and you're set for a decent endgame encounter.

Obviously the wizard should be somebody who says that wizards are weak and necromancers are shit etc.
Like InEffect 1 bard/1 barbarian/1 vivi/1 saint/2412541 sorcerer - ironically can't cast spells because dumped CHA and wears armor

oh fuck, and Jeycie. she should be 12 different trashmobs talking shit on Steam modders.

and now i realy need to sleep.

 

[Desiderius]

now i realy need to sleep.

You earned it. Good times.

 

[Yosharian]

Sykar, explain yourself.

 

[Generic-Giant-Spider]

A one year retrospective:

Jaethal is still the best companion
I still spend too long in the character generator
This game makes me want to play too many classes at once

Pls Owlcat make a new game that's IWD-style.

Pls Owlcat

I showed you my web pls respond.

Owlcat.

 

[John Keel]

Fucking faggots come on twitch, I need informations, such as what is the closest mob to a sword saint in the game, I'm adding Haplo

 

[Generic-Giant-Spider]

I'm not giving you money unless you strip on camera to Living Dead Girl by Rob Zombie.

 

[Desiderius]

Fucking faggots come on twitch, I need informations, such as what is the closest mob to a sword saint in the game, I'm adding Haplo

Greater Zombie Giant/Bokken

 

[Desiderius]

Now you've gone to far, Pink Eye. You hurt my feelings with your nasty fedora. Good day sir.

 

[Pink Eye]

Lol, just having fun with the ratings system. Laughing with, no harm was intended

 

[Trashos]

I started a new playthrough with a Wizard. I want to figure out how magi work, because last time I didn't use Regongar much, and now I want to have him as an option.

Regongar is going to be an ES16/DD4. I found an article about how spell combat and spellstrike work, but I find it tough to understand. I need to start with simple rules of thumb, before I actually begin to understand.

So my question is: How does one use Spell Combat and Spellstrike for melee Regongar? Both on? One on and one off? Both off? Both on early, both off late? What are the rules of thumb?

 

[Yosharian]

I started a new playthrough with a Wizard. I want to figure out how magi work, because last time I didn't use Regongar much, and now I want to have him as an option.

Regongar is going to be an ES16/DD4. I found an article about how spell combat and spellstrike work, but I find it tough to understand. I need to start with simple rules of thumb, before I actually begin to understand.

So my question is: How does one use Spell Combat and Spellstrike for melee Regongar? Both on? One on and one off? Both off? Both on early, both off late? What are the rules of thumb?

Spell Combat functions sort of like two-weapon fighting but for spells. You have your off-hand free, which you use to cast a spell while simultaneously attacking (this includes full iterative attacks). However, there's a penalty to all attacks that round, again similar to TWF. So, to summarise, Spell Combat allows you to execute your attacks, and cast a spell, in the same round, whereas normally you can only do one of those things.

Spellstrike allows you to deliver touch-attack spells, such as Vampiric Touch, in a special way - instead of delivering the spell as normal, you make an extra physical attack that round, and the spell 'rides' on that attack. If the attack misses, the spell misses. If the attack hits, the spell also hits. Note that this extra physical attack is a normal attack that attacks the target's AC, not their touch AC. So, to summarise, Spellstrike changes the way touch attack spells are delivered, from their normal touch attacks to instead 'riding' on a bonus melee attack.

As for whether you want either of these turned on at any given moment, it rather depends on the build you're using, the enemy you're facing, and/or the strategy you're using at that particular moment.

For example, because my Sword Saint build only uses physical attacks for offense, and only uses spells to cast defensive buffs, I have Spell Combat turned off, so that I can attack using two hands for maximum damage. Because I never cast any offensive spells, it's irrelevant to that character whether I have Spellstrike turned on or not.

Other builds might turn these modes on or off on the fly, depending on their chosen strategy for a given fight.

 

[Yosharian]

Question: Alchemist's bomb ability is supposed to get bonus attacks from Rapid Shot and TWF feats, as long as you have the Fast Bomb discovery. Has anyone tested whether this works correctly in Kingmaker? I googled, but got mixed reports.

 

[Desiderius]

Question: Alchemist's bomb ability is supposed to get bonus attacks from Rapid Shot and TWF feats, as long as you have the Fast Bomb discovery. Has anyone tested whether this works correctly in Kingmaker? I googled, but got mixed reports.

Don’t need TWF.

 

[Yosharian]

Question: Alchemist's bomb ability is supposed to get bonus attacks from Rapid Shot and TWF feats, as long as you have the Fast Bomb discovery. Has anyone tested whether this works correctly in Kingmaker? I googled, but got mixed reports.

Don’t need TWF.

I'm not asking if I need TWF, I'm asking if bombs work with TWF, because they're supposed to.

 

[Trashos]

Yosharian , cheers! I still don't get it, but I appreciate the effort!

So, why doesn't your Sword Saint have Spellstrike on? I don't understand what the downside is.

Does Spell Combat attract AoOpportunity? How does one tank with Spell Combat on then? Also, I tried to use Spell Combat on Regongar, and he would spend many seconds to "turn the spell on", which means that all that time he is not tanking. In short, I don't understand Spell Combat practices at all.

What happens when both Spell Combat and Spellstrike are on?

 

[Desiderius]

I started a new playthrough with a Wizard. I want to figure out how magi work, because last time I didn't use Regongar much, and now I want to have him as an option.

Regongar is going to be an ES16/DD4. I found an article about how spell combat and spellstrike work, but I find it tough to understand. I need to start with simple rules of thumb, before I actually begin to understand.

So my question is: How does one use Spell Combat and Spellstrike for melee Regongar? Both on? One on and one off? Both off? Both on early, both off late? What are the rules of thumb?

Spellstrike gives you an extra attack to your full attack (starting at lvl 2) at a -2 to hit to all attacks. You can spam Touch of Fatigue (which is a decent spell in its own right) to do this indefinitely. Spike with Lightning Grasp, get a Stagger no save with Frigid Touch, or a little life with Vampiric.

Unfortunately my experiments with getting Divine Spells into the Magus spellbook so you can Spellstrike them didn’t work. So like the man said should probably go two-handed late.

 

[Desiderius]

Question: Alchemist's bomb ability is supposed to get bonus attacks from Rapid Shot and TWF feats, as long as you have the Fast Bomb discovery. Has anyone tested whether this works correctly in Kingmaker? I googled, but got mixed reports.

Don’t need TWF.

I'm not asking if I need TWF, I'm asking if bombs work with TWF, because they're supposed to.

Rapid is plenty fast. I doubt they do since Bombs don’t function like weapons in other ways (can’t Spellstrike with them).

 

[Yosharian]

Yosharian , cheers! I still don't get it, but I appreciate the effort!

So, why doesn't your Sword Saint have Spellstrike on? I don't understand what the downside is.

Does Spell Combat attract AoOpportunity? How does one tank with Spell Combat on then? Also, I tried to use Spell Combat on Regongar, and he would spend many seconds to "turn the spell on", which means that all that time he is not tanking. In short, I don't understand Spell Combat practices at all.

What happens when both Spell Combat and Spellstrike are on?

The downside of having SPELL COMBAT on is that your offhand is considered 'not free'. That means you don't get to wield your weapon with two hands, reducing the strength bonus to damage.

The downside of having Spellstrike on is that the spell is more likely to miss now that it's riding on a physical attack targeting standard AC rather than targeting touch AC. However most of the time the damage from the extra attack that you get as part of Spellstrike outweighs this.

AoO's are only incurred when you cast non-defensively.

It's a problem with the offensive casting that your tank will sit there preparing the spell then dive into melee. It's one of the reasons I abandoned offensive casting completely.

Spell Combat grants casting+attacks in the same turn. Spellstrike turns the spell attack into a bonus attack AND the spell attack. So with them both on, you get your iterative attacks, and then your bonus attack with the spell riding on it.

 

[Desiderius]

Yosharian , cheers! I still don't get it, but I appreciate the effort!

So, why doesn't your Sword Saint have Spellstrike on? I don't understand what the downside is.

Does Spell Combat attract AoOpportunity? How does one tank with Spell Combat on then? Also, I tried to use Spell Combat on Regongar, and he would spend many seconds to "turn the spell on", which means that all that time he is not tanking. In short, I don't understand Spell Combat practices at all.

What happens when both Spell Combat and Spellstrike are on?

My Sword Saint playthrough I’d open combat with Dazzling from Stealth so he started in the middle of the action.

You don’t want to be tanking with Reg until he gets at least medium armor anyway, so the delay is probably a good thing. It is clunky. I gave up on doing it with Tristian because he was always lagging the action.

 

[LannTheStupid]

As a Greek myself, having grown in and surrounded by lands that have changed hands countless of times, this theme hits close to home.

You are just a runaway Turkish colony, though.

 

[Desiderius]

Yosharian , cheers! I still don't get it, but I appreciate the effort!

So, why doesn't your Sword Saint have Spellstrike on? I don't understand what the downside is.

Does Spell Combat attract AoOpportunity? How does one tank with Spell Combat on then? Also, I tried to use Spell Combat on Regongar, and he would spend many seconds to "turn the spell on", which means that all that time he is not tanking. In short, I don't understand Spell Combat practices at all.

What happens when both Spell Combat and Spellstrike are on?

The downside of having SPELL COMBAT on is that your offhand is considered 'not free'. That means you don't get to wield your weapon with two hands, reducing the strength bonus to damage.

The downside of having Spellstrike on is that the spell is more likely to miss now that it's riding on a physical attack targeting standard AC rather than targeting touch AC. However most of the time the damage from the extra attack that you get as part of Spellstrike outweighs this.

AoO's are only incurred when you cast non-defensively.

It's a problem with the offensive casting that your tank will sit there preparing the spell then dive into melee. It's one of the reasons I abandoned offensive casting completely.

Spell Combat grants casting+attacks in the same turn. Spellstrike turns the spell attack into a bonus attack AND the spell attack. So with them both on, you get your iterative attacks, and then your bonus attack with the spell riding on it.

There’s a Casting Defensively check you have to pass to avoid AoO. Both Scion and Reg get a bonus so shouldn’t be a big issue.

 

[LannTheStupid]

You don’t want to be tanking with Reg until he gets at least medium armor

Aren't Mirror Image + Blur not enough? Or Mirror Image + Displacement from someone?

 

[Desiderius]

Main thing to learn on Magi/Pal is how to Enchant your weapon.