Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[Citizen]

Is that jon hamm in wig

 

[Daidre]

Yeah and there are still bugs, and many mods that haven't really finished development.

It's been 20 years since BG release and some prominent mods, with all due respect for SCS, still in active development.

 

[Yosharian]

Yeah and there are still bugs, and many mods that haven't really finished development.

It's been 20 years since BG release and some prominent mods, with all due respect for SCS, still in active development.

Yes, but they are mostly finished. And, frankly, Kingmaker is good but it isn't on BG2's level.

 

[Mojobeard]

I feel awfully lazy picking Extra Bombs as my every feat with all these complex and/or munchkin builds.

 

[Haplo]

Yeah and there are still bugs, and many mods that haven't really finished development.

It's been 20 years since BG release and some prominent mods, with all due respect for SCS, still in active development.

Yes, but they are mostly finished. And, frankly, Kingmaker is good but it isn't on BG2's level.

Well, its way better IMO.

 

[Haplo]

I feel awfully lazy picking Extra Bombs as my every feat with all these complex and/or munchkin builds.

Well, kinda boring, but probably they are the best pick in most cases for a grenadier build, so...

 

[Pink Eye]

Yeah and there are still bugs, and many mods that haven't really finished development.

It's been 20 years since BG release and some prominent mods, with all due respect for SCS, still in active development.

Yes, but they are mostly finished. And, frankly, Kingmaker is good but it isn't on BG2's level.

Meh. Kingmaker is good. Perhaps, dare I say, a spiritual successor to the Baldur's Gate saga.

 

[Pink Eye]

I feel awfully lazy picking Extra Bombs as my every feat with all these complex and/or munchkin builds.

Don't forget survivability feats!

 

[Trashos]

BG2 and Kingmaker are both great games.

*bows and leaves*

EDIT: Do not get your hopes up, I am not actually leaving. That was a style embellishment.

 

[kelkorkesis]

Last thing I need is to built my whole party around gimmick that gets totally neutered every time I encounter the immune to precision damage enemy.

Is that severe though? Sneak attack immunity is not that prevalent in Pathfinder compared to 3.5. You can do a full sneak attack party and don't really suffer.

The following creature types (or subtypes) do not take additional damage from precision-based attacks (such as sneak attack):

• Elemental (subtype): “<An elemental…> does not take additional damage from precision-based attacks (such as sneak attack.)“
• Incorporeal (subtype): “An incorporeal creature is immune to precision-based damage (such as sneak attack damage) unless the attacks are made using a weapon with the ghost touch special weapon quality.“
• Ooze (Type): “<An ooze is…> does not take additional damage from precision-based attacks (such as sneak attack.)“
• Protean (subtype): (50% chance to ignore, see below*)

I don't like to really on it heavily. A power attacking two hander is consistent without any gimmicks.

 

[Delterius]

Speaking of patches it has been a real long time since last patch.

Oh, do we know that development hasn't ended for Kingmaker yet? Could my hopes of official witch backwards integration for kingmaker be fulfilled? Stay tuned.

 

[Haplo]

Last thing I need is to built my whole party around gimmick that gets totally neutered every time I encounter the immune to precision damage enemy.

Is that severe though? Sneak attack immunity is not that prevalent in Pathfinder compared to 3.5. You can do a full sneak attack party and don't really suffer.

The following creature types (or subtypes) do not take additional damage from precision-based attacks (such as sneak attack):

• Elemental (subtype): “<An elemental…> does not take additional damage from precision-based attacks (such as sneak attack.)“
• Incorporeal (subtype): “An incorporeal creature is immune to precision-based damage (such as sneak attack damage) unless the attacks are made using a weapon with the ghost touch special weapon quality.“
• Ooze (Type): “<An ooze is…> does not take additional damage from precision-based attacks (such as sneak attack.)“
• Protean (subtype): (50% chance to ignore, see below*)

I don't like to really on it heavily. A power attacking two hander is consistent without any gimmicks.

No, immunity is not severe. Quite a few elementals though.
But a number of enemies have Uncanny Dodge, making sneak attacks tricky to set up. And some have precision damage reduction (or fortification?), making it much less effective. Also any kind of DR hits sneak attackers the most, as I think it's calculated separately for the precision part.

 

[Ravness]

Is there a difficulty setting closest to the PNP?
So far I've put everything on challenging and just switched "somewhat tougher enemies" to normal.

 

[Delterius]

Is there a difficulty setting closest to the PNP?
So far I've put everything on challenging and just switched "somewhat tougher enemies" to normal.

thats it

 

[Efe]

theres a "Closer To Tabletop" mod if youre into that

 

[Yosharian]

I have many fetishes but that is not one of them

 

[DavidBVal]

Woah, turn-based mod makes the game real fun for me. My motivation was faltering a bit but with TB I'm actually looking forward to play this extensively!

 

[cloudropis]

Is the game still plagued by the save bloat issue described here? https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder...anced_edition_has_brought_back_the_lag_issue/

 

[Pink Eye]

Is the game still plagued by the save bloat issue described here? https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder...anced_edition_has_brought_back_the_lag_issue/

Yes. Reduce the amount of save files you have. Use the cleaner mod.

 

[Cael]

Is the game still plagued by the save bloat issue described here? https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder...anced_edition_has_brought_back_the_lag_issue/

Yes. Reduce the amount of save files you have. Use the cleaner mod.

Seems to be a "feature" of Unity games...

 

[Yosharian]

Come on, better than BG2? I don't know what you guys are smoking but I want some, life must be so fucking beautiful on that shit

 

[Pink Eye]

I'm actually replaying through the Baldur's Gate saga on LoB. Just recently finished BG 1 on LoB. Pretty good shit. Anyways, yes, Kingmaker does hold up. The thing is Kingmaker was the best game we've had in a real long time. We're just starved of good RTWP BG like games. Doesn't help that I have niche tastes when it comes to this genre.

 

[Trashos]

Come on, better than BG2? I don't know what you guys are smoking but I want some, life must be so fucking beautiful on that shit

Both are great games that do certain things better than the other. I will agree with Pink Eye, the main point for me is that Kingmaker is the 1st RTwP game since BG2 SoA that did not disappoint me. Huge deal, for me.

Character development (theme/narrative-wise) is better in Kingmaker. Build porn is more hardcore in Kingmaker. Irenicus aside (I love Irenicus, make no mistake), the theme layers go impressively deep in Kingmaker. And personally, I also like the kingdom management aspect (despite flaws), which Kingmaker has. Kingmaker also supports various alignments much better than BG2 (BG2 is mainly designed to be played as a goody two shoes, clearly). Better C&C too. Better puzzles.

BG2 of course has Irenicus, some impressively fun characters that made history (Minsc, Edwin, pick whoever you like), the best encounter design in the history of full RPGs, mage duels, excellent side quests, Athkatla, and generally unprecedented polishing in all aspects that the game focused on for a game of such scope.

Even if I give the slight advantage to BG2 as a complete package, it does not really matter. Kingmaker is up there, and it has its advantages too.

 

[Pink Eye]

Lantern King is certainly no Irenicus, I agree. However, I did enjoy how interwoven the whole story was, in regards to the Lantern King's influence. Everything in Kingmaker felt interconnected, nothing felt isolated. To me that is good story telling. To be able to tell a story where the main villain is involved, and is seemingly behind the scenes. Playing his tricks and curses. The mad jester. I need to replay through Kingmaker again after I finish up my Legacy of Bhaal playthrough.

 

[DavidBVal]

Regarding storytelling so far (I am still level 4) I gotta say I find the early premises a bit silly and inconsistent. I mean, "King wanted, no experience required" makes little sense. You have two suspects of treason, naming both of them team leaders is stupid. The whole "traitor" thing does not really work from a logical point of view. Yet I find the whole thing charming, the tone is right, and I suppose story will get better.

In BG 1 I had the feeling from the beginning that the story was very strong and consistent, but I have seen too little of PF:KM to make a real comparison between the two.