Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[Whisper]

Just finished Varhnold's DLC on unfair, was nice experience.

Do anyone know if i get items in main campaign from goblin: all of them, some of them (randomly chosen) or only those found myself in dungeon?

 

[Whisper]

Why will I not use buffs for my characters and debuffs for the enemy?

I guess this is a rhetorical question.

Yep, buffing Dog with Shield spell is so Pro, i didnt think anyone would do this since release. But to each its own.

Good thing they cant buff summons with single-target spell or they would summon like 5 dogs and buff all of them, individually.

 

[Whisper]

I listed the 3 long-lasting buffs melee toons get. Dog gets a shot from Mage Armor wand (one hour) and Shield spell (24 minutes) at beginning of area.

Bless, dont forget to bless Dog.

Using Shield spell on dog. Autist detected.

/facepalm

 

[Desiderius]

Why will I not use buffs for my characters and debuffs for the enemy?

I guess this is a rhetorical question.

He doesn’t because he doesn’t know how. He’s saying I lied when I said I didn’t burn resources on these fights because he doesn’t understand how to use a Bard/Alchemist/Freebooter and/or action economy.

You use spells like Archon’s Aura and Barkskin because they last the whole dungeon and don’t burn any actions during fights. That means you don’t have to tank and spank and can play more tactically, but it also frees up your actions during fights to use weapons on all your toons (trash fights) or to cast short-lasting powerful spells like Haste or some nukes/debuffs on the hard fights.

 

[Whisper]

He doesn’t because he doesn’t know how. He’s saying I lied when I said I didn’t burn resources on these fights because he doesn’t understand how to use a Bard/Alchemist/Freebooter and/or action economy.

You use spells like Archon’s Aura and Barkskin because they last the whole dungeon and don’t burn any actions during fights. That means you don’t have to tank and spank and can play more tactically, but it also frees up your actions during fights to use weapons on all your toons (trash fights) or to cast short-lasting powerful spells like Haste or some nukes/debuffs on the hard fights.

I knew you was retard but buffing Dog/Animal with single-target buffs is beyond retarded.

Buffs are good, but there is saying in my country "Ask fool to pray and he will break his head". You are breaking your head here, bro. Nothing wrong with buffing, but only autists spam shield/mage armor on companion animals. And if you have like 3-4 animals, you will buff them all? Dont answer.

 

[Desiderius]

Bless, dont forget to bless Dog. And reduce size of whatever.

/facepalm

No, you retard, Good Hope is Bless on steroids and main reason to have a Bard (although here Val cast it from Dorf helm).

Smilo gets Animal Growth, not Reduce. I don’t have any DEX-melee in this party and haven’t gotten the Reduce at Will gloves yet so haven’t bothered to use it on ranged toons, tho it is +2 to hit so probably should. Amiri and Tristian get Enlarge for their reach weapons.

So since you have to spam your shitty damage spells looks like you’re resting every other fight, so you’re unfamiliar with using these buffs for a whole area. For you you’d have to reapply them every fight.

I begin to see where your delusions are coming from.

 

[Whisper]

Bless, dont forget to bless Dog. And reduce size of whatever.

/facepalm

No, you retard, Good Hope is Bless on steroids and main reason to have a Bard (although here Val cast it from Dorf helm).

Smilo gets Animal Growth, not Reduce. I don’t have any DEX-melee in this party and haven’t gotten the Reduce at Will gloves yet so haven’t bothered to use it on ranges toons, tho it is +2 to hit so probably should. Amiri and Tristian get Enlarge for their reach weapons.

So since you have to spam your shitting damage spells looks like you’re resting every other fight, so you’re unfamiliar with using these buffs for a whole area. For you you’d have to reapply them every fight.

I begin to see where your delusions are coming from.

I finished game on Unfair. You do 99% of it on Normal or Story mode. Case closed.

 

[Whisper]

Ok, write your most successful team for Unfair. If you disagree with me.

 

[Desiderius]

He doesn’t because he doesn’t know how. He’s saying I lied when I said I didn’t burn resources on these fights because he doesn’t understand how to use a Bard/Alchemist/Freebooter and/or action economy.

You use spells like Archon’s Aura and Barkskin because they last the whole dungeon and don’t burn any actions during fights. That means you don’t have to tank and spank and can play more tactically, but it also frees up your actions during fights to use weapons on all your toons (trash fights) or to cast short-lasting powerful spells like Haste or some nukes/debuffs on the hard fights.

I knew you was retard but buffing Dog/Animal with single-target buffs is beyond retarded.

Buffs are good, but there is saying in my country "Ask fool to pray and he will break his head". You are breaking your head here, bro. Nothing wrong with buffing, but only autists spam shield/mage armor on companion animals. And if you have like 3-4 animals, you will buff them all? Dont answer.

More than one gets too cluttered. I use a single target buff on each of the four defensive categories at the beginning of each area and it lasts until the end. Why not? They can’t wear equipment.

 

[Desiderius]

This is all Unfair. Why would I need any other difficulty when I only get hit on a 20 (and have ways to ameliorate even that) and often have AB higher than enemy AC on Unfair?

It is fascinating to watch a brain break in real time.

 

[Whisper]

Ok, write your most successful team for Unfair. If you disagree with me.

p.s. Here examples https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VrTZa-l0aife1_Jxg59dgd3ow4ndFHKnR6520gKWBl0/edit

 

[LannTheStupid]

Buffing Dog with Shield, Magic Armor, Barkskin, Magic Fang and Acid Maw spells at least. May be with Bull's Strength as well.

What, is it haram now? I have those spells - either through the spell book or through items - I use them. I have extend rods - I use them. I have a maximise rod - I use it with Octavia sneak attacks.

What else do I have to stop using to be blessed by the Chairman's deputy?!

 

[Desiderius]

Ok, write your most successful team for Unfair. If you disagree with me.

I’ve posted the screenshots of four different Unfair playthroughs with different builds on each toon.

The most successful approach is to design different companions to optimize them for different challenges (Harrim v Trolls/Zombies, Ekun vs Beasts due to Favored Enemies, Jaethal v Swarms because immune etc) so you don’t end up with a set team.

Freebooter is probably the only irreplaceable class, but things are a lot easier with a Bard, Alchemist, and Cleric.

 

[Desiderius]

Buffing Dog with Shield, Magic Armor, Barkskin, Magic Fang and Acid Maw spells at least. May be with Bull's Strength as well.

What, is it haram now? I have those spells - either through the spell book or through items - I use them. I have extend rods - I use them. I have a maximise rod - I use it with Octavia sneak attacks.

What else do I have to stop using to be blessed by the Chairman's deputy?!

Magic Fang is unfortunately redundant after he starts getting enhanced attacks naturally. You can use it on a Wild Shaped toon to free up the neck slot.

 

[LannTheStupid]

Magic Fang is unfortunately redundant after he starts getting enhanced attacks naturally.

I will test it when I have Ekun in my party again. However, one of those buffs (Greater Magic Fang may be?) is an hour per level, and Ekundayo is not very wise - so as "cast-and-forget" buff it's OK. I think.

 

[Desiderius]

Just finished Varhnold's DLC on unfair, was nice experience.

Do anyone know if i get items in main campaign from goblin: all of them, some of them (randomly chosen) or only those found myself in dungeon?

The ones you found.

 

[Whisper]

Ok, write your most successful team for Unfair. If you disagree with me.

I’ve posted the screenshots of four different Unfair playthroughs with different builds on each toon.

The most successful approach is to design different companions to optimize them for different challenges (Harrim v Trolls/Zombies, Ekun vs Beasts due to Favored Enemies, Jaethal v Swarms because immune etc) so you don’t end up with a set team.

Freebooter is probably the only irreplaceable class, but things are a lot easier with a Bard, Alchemist, and Cleric.

Just write team composition which is best for you. What companion is best for what class you listed?

 

[Desiderius]

Magic Fang is unfortunately redundant after he starts getting enhanced attacks naturally.

I will test it when I have Ekun in my party again. However, one of those buffs (Greater Magic Fang may be?) is an hour per level, and Ekundayo is not very wise - so as "cast-and-forget" buff it's OK. I think.

Greater is the one to use, but Okbo gets that bonus already as he levels.

 

[Desiderius]

Ok, write your most successful team for Unfair. If you disagree with me.

I’ve posted the screenshots of four different Unfair playthroughs with different builds on each toon.

The most successful approach is to design different companions to optimize them for different challenges (Harrim v Trolls/Zombies, Ekun vs Beasts due to Favored Enemies, Jaethal v Swarms because immune etc) so you don’t end up with a set team.

Freebooter is probably the only irreplaceable class, but things are a lot easier with a Bard, Alchemist, and Cleric.

Just write team composition which is best for you. What companion is best for what class you listed?

Each companion has 3-5 viable builds (except Jewb/Kanerah), but you need to mix and match them skillfully. Also depends on your MC.

This run MC is Grenadier so don’t need to have Jewb. His DCs are already in the 30s on Bombs so he’s most reliable debuffer.

 

[Whisper]

Each companion has 3-5 viable builds (except Jewb/Kanerah), but you need to mix and match them skillfully. Also depends on your MC.

This run MC is Grenadier so don’t need to have Jewb. His DCs are already in the 30s on Bombs so he’s most reliable debuffer.

Ok, what run was most smooth for you?

Also what companions had most interactions/comments in-game?

 

[Xamenos]

Trolls are not immune to fire, they have protection, which absorbs limited amount of damage. I actually killed trolls with fire, takes two casts instead of 1 from ranged caster team.

Talking about Troll Trouble trolls. Branded ones. They are not immune to fire.

Ah, I see now. You've never actually played the game. My congratulations on getting people to bite with bait that is so obvious in retrospect.

 

[LannTheStupid]

Wow.

This American black-fucking chad has squeezed a vatnik in constructive discussion. Impressive!

 

[Whisper]

Trolls are not immune to fire, they have protection, which absorbs limited amount of damage. I actually killed trolls with fire, takes two casts instead of 1 from ranged caster team.

Talking about Troll Trouble trolls. Branded ones. They are not immune to fire.

Ah, I see now. You've never actually played the game. My congratulations on getting people to bite with bait that is so obvious in retrospect.

Branded trolls are not immune to fire, they have limited protection against it. I can kill branded troll using only Fire damage.

 

[Desiderius]

Looks like TSS1/Feyspeakerx is strongest Val.

Barb10/Freebooter10 best Amiri for Pounce late (although maybe Barb2/Thug4/Freebooter14 to get res)

Bardx for Linzi although you can go melee or ranged. Ranged here to use Ring of Reckless Courage.

Harrim and Tristian probably just Cleric 20. Harrim tank with Shield, Tristian on Fauchard Enlarged.

Ekun Rx/Sacred Huntmaster8 for Domain abilities and Feat sharing with Okbo

Octavia probably just R1/Wiz9/AT10 but I like the R4 in melee with Mirror Image either from Sword Saint or Wiz/EK mashup. Could even just go R4/Wiz6/AT10 in melee or work in AD6 with Disarming Strike for more Feats/BAB.

Reg is fine ES20. I did make him a Mystic Theurge with Feyspeaker 4 once but you can’t Spellstrike with Druid spells even if they’re in your Magus spell book so that was disappointing.

MCs I’ve played Hospitaler, Ranged Slayer, Aldori Defender/Swordlord, Sensei, Archaeologist, and Grenadier.

 

[Desiderius]

Wow.

This American black-fucking chad has squeezed a vatnik in constructive discussion. Impressive!

He’s smarter than he looks.